Wait and See

The point is, he is in that neighborhood and likely has at the very least 5 years of good production left in him.
That's not the point. You ignore that rookies you have them cheaply for 5 years and have them when they are younger. We get Cooper on a 1 year 14MM contract next year and now are forced to offer him a big deal immediately.

All comparisons of him being yound and just like a 1st round rookie should end. There are other notes you can pint to like having gone to two pro bowls. We don't need to exaggerate his age on top of those things.
 
LVE, Martin, and Frederick pooped gold. Even Byron was a decent player during his first 3 years, and now he looks to be headed to 2 pro bowls for us. I'd much rather have a Byron for all 5 than only the final 2.
My guess is the Cowboys intend to interview Cooper for the next 9 months. If he performs well, they will keep him. If he doesn't, they may give him one more year to prove his value and let him walk if he never returns to form. Which is why for the moment I'm not concerned about the time element. In many ways, the time element works in our favor because the Cowboys aren't stuck with him for the next several years if he doesn't pan out.
 
That's not the point. You ignore that rookies you have them cheaply for 5 years and have them when they are younger. We get Cooper on a 1 year 14MM contract next year and now are forced to offer him a big deal immediately.

All comparisons of him being yound and just like a 1st round rookie should end. There are other notes you can pint to like having gone to two pro bowls. We don't need to exaggerate his age on top of those things.
You seem like you've been more stressed than lately... lately.

Here's some cool music for ya, Mufasa:

 
What I'm concerned about mostly is that Garrett has a full bye week to uncoach Amari and put yet another career in a spin cycle.
 
That's not the point. You ignore that rookies you have them cheaply for 5 years and have them when they are younger. We get Cooper on a 1 year 14MM contract next year and now are forced to offer him a big deal immediately.

All comparisons of him being yound and just like a 1st round rookie should end. There are other notes you can pint to like having gone to two pro bowls. We don't need to exaggerate his age on top of those things.
How am I exaggerating his age? He is 24. And I didn't say he's 24 and 4 months; I said he's 24, which is old for a rookie but still relatively young all things considered. And those comparison will keep on going...if for no other reason because you told me they should end.

:grin:
 
What I'm concerned about mostly is that Garrett has a full bye week to uncoach Amari and put yet another career in a spin cycle.

Not gonna lie. Like many of you, I am concerned about the current coaching regime's ability to get the most out of this acquisition.
 
How am I exaggerating his age? He is 24. And I didn't say he's 24 and 4 months; I said he's 24, which is old for a rookie but still relatively young all things considered. And those comparison will keep on going...if for no other reason because you told me they should end.

:grin:
You said the Cowboys got a player "young enough" to be a rookie. While technically true it was misleading in the context in which you meant it. Brandon Weeden was a 28 year old rookie so should that be the standard by which we judge rookie ages? Of course not!
 
Disclaimer: This admittedly a tad bit late...


If we could collectively press the skip button on all the conversations, debates and down-right nasty arguments for and against the acquisition of Amari Cooper, at some point someone is going to point out that all we can do is Wait & See. Like many of you, I’m divided…and I go back and forth like the pixelated ball in Pong.


On one hand, the Cowboys get a player young enough to be a rookie who just so happens to already have 2 Pro Bowls to his credit in his relatively short career…so as first round Wide Receivers go, this is as sure of a thing as you could possibly ask for in a draft. On the other hand, most agree the Cowboys overpaid, sending a 1st round pick for a player who hasn’t lived up to expectations as of late in a “what have you done for me lately” league.


On Amari’s resume and film reviews you will see relatively equal measures of good and bad: great route runner vs suspect hands, great speed but he can be removed from the play by good press corners. Can take it to the house from just about anywhere on the field but there have been questions about his commitment to the game. He becomes a running back with the ball in his hands with exceptional stop-start quickness for a player his size, but is not the selfless run-blocker the Cowboys typically demand.


Admittedly, at the outset of the news, I hated the move; rarely will you ever see me be on board with sending a 2nd round pick or higher to another team for any reason. The NFL Draft is a sacred holiday to me and the first round is clearly the best part about it: that’s where your team finds the difference maker.


That said, I’m not sure you could ask for a better “difference maker” than what Amari potentially represents to the Cowboys. Just by merely lining up on the outside, his presence could very easily open up things for everyone in that offense. If the oppositions defense is committed to shutting down Zeke (which will be business as usual until Amari’s performance recommends a different approach from the opposition), Amari should have ample opportunities to establish himself as a dangerous down-the-field weapon. And if/when that happens, everyone on the Cowboys offensive side of the ball wins. And if that happens, that first round pick was draft capital well spent.


So…


With their first pick of the 2019 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama. For now, the best part of this is instead of having to wait until August 2019 to unwrap the gift from football Christmas, we only have to wait 2 weeks…


Thoughts?
And this two weeks is killing me !
 
Opinions spread like a virus. When everyone thought Freddy suffered a stinger, the loquaciousness of stinger experts was voluminous. When a true medical diagnosis came in that he suffered gbs disease, stinger experts became gbs experts immediately. Truth is no one knows how Cooper deal will work out. But that won't stop the bombastic opinions. I think it was a good move.
 
Amari excels against press man. He’s really tailor-made for Dak and this offence in my view. But we’ll see how it works out.
 
Amari excels against press man. He’s really tailor-made for Dak and this offence in my view. But we’ll see how it works out.
It's actually something that has been talked about quite a bit and teams have used press to take him out of games




“Amari Cooper, about a year and a half ago, defenses realized he doesn’t get off press coverage very well,” Benoit said. “Once he’s into his route, he’s as good as anyone. He is very quick, very nuanced and subtle in the way he runs his routes which is an important trait, but you remove that if you jam him and take his timing away and that’s what teams have done…”
 
It's actually something that has been talked about quite a bit and teams have used press to take him out of games




“Amari Cooper, about a year and a half ago, defenses realized he doesn’t get off press coverage very well,” Benoit said. “Once he’s into his route, he’s as good as anyone. He is very quick, very nuanced and subtle in the way he runs his routes which is an important trait, but you remove that if you jam him and take his timing away and that’s what teams have done…”



Interesting. Check out the video analysis in the attached article, which someone else posted in a separate thread.

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/10/25/dwain-mcfarlands-rsp-film-and-data-is-amari-cooper-worth-it
 
Then I think there is a bit of a disconnect in how you and I think. Because for me, the value of the pick is directly tied to his performance and that alone. How he effects the cap is another conversation all together, which really is the only reason you should be concerned about the years of service.

It's not "another conversation" at all. It's inexorably connected to the entire package.
 
How am I exaggerating his age? He is 24. And I didn't say he's 24 and 4 months; I said he's 24, which is old for a rookie but still relatively young all things considered. And those comparison will keep on going...if for no other reason because you told me they should end.

:grin:
Terrance Newman was 26 when we picked him in the 1st.
 
Isn't wait and see the only approach to take with any new player? Doesn't mater what he's done elsewhere, he has to perform here with this present coaching staff and while I am not a Linehan fan, this is the best route runner he's had on the outside. Maybe Cooper makes him a better play caller?

I watch a lot of college ball, more of that than the NFL, and have seen every touted WR coming out this year. If you were to ask me "a 1st for Cooper or a WR coming out?", I would take Cooper with no hesitation.

The issue isn't Cooper, he's struggled when the QB has struggled and Carr has struggled. The issue is can the QB get the ball to him enough to warrant giving up a 1st for him? He is worthy of the pick, I don't know if this is the best QB or offense for him. Have to also consider what he had around him on that receiving corps in OAK in his two pb seasons. He was part of a top 3 receiving corps those two seasons.

Dak is right, Cooper isn't the magic pill because this offense has more ills than a #1WR. Everything about this offense is predicated on running the ball.
 
Then I think there is a bit of a disconnect in how you and I think. Because for me, the value of the pick is directly tied to his performance and that alone. How he effects the cap is another conversation all together, which really is the only reason you should be concerned about the years of service.

Value is denominated in performance level * time, not just performance level. That's why Lee's injury history matters.

It's not just cap. It's how many games you get that performance level on the field.
 
It's actually something that has been talked about quite a bit and teams have used press to take him out of games




“Amari Cooper, about a year and a half ago, defenses realized he doesn’t get off press coverage very well,” Benoit said. “Once he’s into his route, he’s as good as anyone. He is very quick, very nuanced and subtle in the way he runs his routes which is an important trait, but you remove that if you jam him and take his timing away and that’s what teams have done…”

I knew I read that somewhere; thanks for the assist. :thumbup:
 
My guess is the Cowboys intend to interview Cooper for the next 9 months. If he performs well, they will keep him. If he doesn't, they may give him one more year to prove his value and let him walk if he never returns to form. Which is why for the moment I'm not concerned about the time element. In many ways, the time element works in our favor because the Cowboys aren't stuck with him for the next several years if he doesn't pan out.

"Let him walk".

Cooper will be a free agent in a year and a half. Either we franchise him, or he leaves if he wants to.

All the leverage will be on his side for any contract negotiations, as management will have sunk a 1st round pick into him, and won't want to look like fools for spending a 1st for a year and a half rental.
 
"Let him walk".

Cooper will be a free agent in a year and a half. Either we franchise him, or he leaves if he wants to.

All the leverage will be on his side for any contract negotiations, as management will have sunk a 1st round pick into him, and won't want to look like fools for spending a 1st for a year and a half rental.

Exactly right. Heck, Garrett has already said he'll be part of the team "for years to come". Great advantage in negotiations for him and his agent.
 

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