Wanted: Well-Regarded QB Coach, NFL Experience Required

[_sturt_]

It can make sense to hire an O-line coach out of the college ranks when your OC is likely to be the ex-officio O-line coach anyhow.

It makes a whole lot less sense to hire a WR coach with zero NFL experience, who arguably isn't even as qualified as the assistant you already hired... arguably the most questionable hire made, since he doesn't even get a hand in hiring his subordinate... and worse, doesn't really know a lot about the NFL CBs who will be on the opposing teams.

It makes absolutely positively NO sense to hire a QB coach who doesn't walk into the room having Dak's automatic respect. In fact, the QB coach had best be given the passing game coordinator title, if not also the Assistant Head Coach title if necessary to poach him off another team's staff (ostensibly, one that already has an AHC, so they'd be stuck theoretically).

Make this hire a good one, boys. Don't scrimp. Get the very best you know can be found.

 

[jazzcat22]

Several different things here.

Can it be coaching is coaching. You coach the players, not the league. Basically college is close to the NFL more and more. Yes you can have out matched teams much more in college. But we see that in the NFL now too.
NFL parity is no more, not the way they claimed they want it.

They other reason, is Dallas has a lot of young players, and will get younger. As they rely more and more on the draft.
These college coaches can relate better to these younger players.
As I posted in another thread. Jerry is trying to recreate the Jimmy college coaching experience.

 

[nate dizzle]

He's still learning how to drop back in year 10. Dak should respect anyone who's still willing to try and teach him anything.

 

[Coogiguy03]

NAH NAH we'll find a buddy someone that was already here, he'll get the BEST out of dak because he's dak's buddy!!

 

[_sturt_]

Can it be coaching is coaching. You coach the players, not the league.

1. The more you're exposed to, the more you're able to coach well, no? The more you're exposed to, the wider understanding you have to draw from, no? And the more understanding you have of what tendencies different teams' talent and coaches' have in trying to have success playing the game would be among those things that have some gravity, no?

2. Coaching isn't a one way street, since communication isn't a one way street, true? The reputation of the communicator is a precondition to earning trust/regard from the one being communicated to, yes?

3. Coaching in football isn't even just about the player/coach relationship, but the coach-to-coach relationship, a brutal kind of ballet where elements are interconnected and success dependent on different units synchronizing their efforts well... so, this has connection to #1 and to #2, but at that level.

Conclusion. This is an important hire. This person may well be as important to the passing game as Klayton Adams is to the run game.

 

[shabazz]

At this point getting the "Qb Coach" right is as about as insignificant as the slogans the NFL puts on the backs of helmets

 

[Aven8]

QB’s these days work with their own guy all offseason to get better and work on mechanics.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It makes absolutely positively NO sense to hire a QB coach who doesn't walk into the room having Dak's automatic respect.

We are going to get exactly what we have seen from Dak on the field.

Dak having or not having respect for whoever the Cowboys hire won't make any difference.

 

[Chuck 54]

QB coaching is not about game day or game plans. I doubt any QB coach has ever held a higher title with it.
Unless you are trying to change a young QBs mechanics, it may be the least important position on the coaching staff as the OC is the guy who spends the most time with a QB. In our case, Schottenhiemer and Adams will be spending the majority of available time with Dak. Often, former NFL QBs who have never coached at all get the QB coaching title (Kitna and Moore) just to be a close friend to the QB. Kellen Moore had only played a few games as an NFL QB and had never coached when he was appointed as QB coach in Dallas, at age 29…..lol. More often than not, it’s a position that one takes to get some coaching experience.

Let’s not overthink this.

 

[Havic]

Can we just be like the Eagles? realize our mistake, cut the qb, and draft one in the second. Could Will Howard fall to a 2nd rounder?

 

[Eddie]

What's the difference who the coaches and players are? Jerry is in charge.

 

[jazzcat22]

1. The more you're exposed to, the more you're able to coach well, no? The more you're exposed to, the wider understanding you have to draw from, no? And the more understanding you have of what tendencies different teams' talent and coaches' have in trying to have success playing the game would be among those things that have some gravity, no?

2. Coaching isn't a one way street, since communication isn't a one way street, true? The reputation of the communicator is a precondition to earning trust/regard from the one being communicated to, yes?

3. Coaching in football isn't even just about the player/coach relationship, but the coach-to-coach relationship, a brutal kind of ballet where elements are interconnected and success dependent on different units synchronizing their efforts well... so, this has connection to #1 and to #2, but at that level.

Conclusion. This is an important hire. This person may well be as important to the passing game as Klayton Adams is to the run game.

Yes true. But it is still coaching the basics. As they all grow together for the new systems and styles. They do get an extra OTA type practice as well, for having a new coach.

 

[_sturt_]

We are going to get exactly what we have seen from Dak on the field.

Dak having or not having respect for whoever the Cowboys hire won't make any difference.

I'm cynical.

I'm not that cynical.

Brady's widely-understood-today insistence and dedication to identify and constantly work on the "little" things is testimony to me that you really "cannot not" benefit from having a solid, experienced, wise outside voice in your ear if you're a QB in the league.

But again, I also continue to pound the table... you're adding another credible voice to the degree you add another credible voice to the coaching staff overall. The HC together with the OC may have ultimate decision making power over the offense, but if you were to... just say for instance... add a Frank Reich or a Mike Shula or a Ken Dorsey or a Doug Pederson to the room, that can't be shrugged off as insignificant. It just can't. So, it's not even exclusively about the coach-to-player part. It's all of it.

 

[Mr_437]

Shotty has made some impressive hires and the new WR coach is another one. My hope is the new QB coach can help develop a young QB brought in this offseason ro backup QB1. Dak is set in his ways, and is what he is.

 

[_sturt_]

(Addressed all of that... non-responsive.)

 

[cowboyec]

frank reich would be interesting considering schottenheimer was on his staff in indy.

doug pedersen comes to mind,also.
wouldn't hate seeing it but if he goes the asst route...he probably goes back to kansas city and andy reid.

gonna be interesting to see where coach schottenheimer goes with it.

 

[morat1959]

He’ll just get fired in 2-3 years. No coach can survive when he has nothing to work with.

 

[Chasing6]

It can make sense to hire an O-line coach out of the college ranks when your OC is likely to be the ex-officio O-line coach anyhow.

It makes a whole lot less sense to hire a WR coach with zero NFL experience, who arguably isn't even as qualified as the assistant you already hired... arguably the most questionable hire made, since he doesn't even get a hand in hiring his subordinate... and worse, doesn't really know a lot about the NFL CBs who will be on the opposing teams.

It makes absolutely positively NO sense to hire a QB coach who doesn't walk into the room having Dak's automatic respect. In fact, the QB coach had best be given the passing game coordinator title, if not also the Assistant Head Coach title if necessary to poach him off another team's staff (ostensibly, one that already has an AHC, so they'd be stuck theoretically).

Make this hire a good one, boys. Don't scrimp. Get the very best you know can be found.

Wanted a new GM. No experience needed. Just need someone with common sense.