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I have made it a pandemic habit to watch 90s cowboys football games on YouTube as a way to relax at bedtime or to play them in the background while doing other things. It is relaxing, because you know they won't let you down. Anyway, one thing that really jumps off the screen is how consistently disruptive and effective Charles Haley was. I remembered this from the 90s... you could rely on him to pressure the other team and make some big plays when the Cowboys needed one. It's funny, but I thought that this was something that I had built up in my mind, but going back to the games, I was surprised to find that it was really true, even more so than I had remembered. He (along with Leon Lett for much of this time) were just monsters from 1993-1995.

We have had a lot of good and even some great pass rushers since Haley. Some of them have even better career sack/pressure numbers than Haley did (unless you count Super Bowl games and wins as a "number", of course), and I think that people consider at least one of these War Daddies (D.Ware) as an even better player in his day than Haley was in his. But somehow, I've never felt the same way watching any of them play as I did/do watching Haley: DeMarcus Ware, peak Anthony Spencer, peak DeMarcus Lawrence... they got numbers, but there's just something less disruptive about them overall compared to Haley's greatness: they seemed to have longer stretches without big plays, and it seemed like more of their numbers came from junk time at the end of a blowout game or in other situations that were less impactful. I think you could make the argument that Haley was as big a part of that team's success as the Triplets were... watch those old games and tell me I'm wrong.

I say this because I really hope that the personnel changes and coaching changes that we have this year might put us over the top in this regard. I feel like there is a chance. Let me know if you've ever had a similar concern that our premier pass rushers just don't feel as impactful as their numbers sometimes suggest, and if so, why that might be.
 
glimmerman said:
Every starting D-Line player on our D-Line are all household names. All stars across the front... War dads all the way.
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It's becoming more and more obvious y'all are going to be so disappointed with the Poe signing.

Poe had 30 pressures COMBINED the last two seasons, that's not all-star status that's fringe starter status.
 
QuincyCarterEra said:
It's becoming more and more obvious y'all are going to be so disappointed with the Poe signing.

Poe had 30 pressures COMBINED the last two seasons, that's not all-star status that's fringe starter status.
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Poe won’t be in on passing downs, he’s the space eater we finally have on run downs

I expect Griffin to kick inside with Crawford on passing downs
 
Endzoneview said:
Poe won’t be in on passing downs, he’s the space eater we finally have on run downs

I expect Griffin to kick inside with Crawford on passing downs
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Poe hasn't been particularly good at stopping the run since 2016.



Also if he's supposed to be space eater, he was the anchor behind the worst run defense in the league last season.

2018 was definitely a year for him to forget as well.


We spent a good deal of money on someone who you don't want in pass rushing downs.
 
BackInTown said:
I have made it a pandemic habit to watch 90s cowboys football games on YouTube as a way to relax at bedtime or to play them in the background while doing other things. It is relaxing, because you know they won't let you down. Anyway, one thing that really jumps off the screen is how consistently disruptive and effective Charles Haley was. I remembered this from the 90s... you could rely on him to pressure the other team and make some big plays when the Cowboys needed one. It's funny, but I thought that this was something that I had built up in my mind, but going back to the games, I was surprised to find that it was really true, even more so than I had remembered. He (along with Leon Lett for much of this time) were just monsters from 1993-1995.

We have had a lot of good and even some great pass rushers since Haley. Some of them have even better career sack/pressure numbers than Haley did (unless you count Super Bowl games and wins as a "number", of course), and I think that people consider at least one of these War Daddies (D.Ware) as an even better player in his day than Haley was in his. But somehow, I've never felt the same way watching any of them play as I did/do watching Haley: DeMarcus Ware, peak Anthony Spencer, peak DeMarcus Lawrence... they got numbers, but there's just something less disruptive about them overall compared to Haley's greatness: they seemed to have longer stretches without big plays, and it seemed like more of their numbers came from junk time at the end of a blowout game or in other situations that were less impactful. I think you could make the argument that Haley was as big a part of that team's success as the Triplets were... watch those old games and tell me I'm wrong.

I say this because I really hope that the personnel changes and coaching changes that we have this year might put us over the top in this regard. I feel like there is a chance. Let me know if you've ever had a similar concern that our premier pass rushers just don't feel as impactful as their numbers sometimes suggest, and if so, why that might be.
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If Jimmy was the Cowboys Head Coach in 2015, he probably would have made a "War Daddy" out of Greg Hardy.

Garrett on the other hand struggled to coach any players that were not like Witten or Sean Lee...
 
Endzoneview said:
Poe won’t be in on passing downs, he’s the space eater we finally have on run downs

I expect Griffin to kick inside with Crawford on passing downs
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McCoy is definitely better at rushing the passer than Crawford.

Passing downs I am good with Lawrence, McCoy, Griffen, Smith.
 
BackInTown said:
I have made it a pandemic habit to watch 90s cowboys football games on YouTube as a way to relax at bedtime or to play them in the background while doing other things. It is relaxing, because you know they won't let you down. Anyway, one thing that really jumps off the screen is how consistently disruptive and effective Charles Haley was. I remembered this from the 90s... you could rely on him to pressure the other team and make some big plays when the Cowboys needed one. It's funny, but I thought that this was something that I had built up in my mind, but going back to the games, I was surprised to find that it was really true, even more so than I had remembered. He (along with Leon Lett for much of this time) were just monsters from 1993-1995.

We have had a lot of good and even some great pass rushers since Haley. Some of them have even better career sack/pressure numbers than Haley did (unless you count Super Bowl games and wins as a "number", of course), and I think that people consider at least one of these War Daddies (D.Ware) as an even better player in his day than Haley was in his. But somehow, I've never felt the same way watching any of them play as I did/do watching Haley: DeMarcus Ware, peak Anthony Spencer, peak DeMarcus Lawrence... they got numbers, but there's just something less disruptive about them overall compared to Haley's greatness: they seemed to have longer stretches without big plays, and it seemed like more of their numbers came from junk time at the end of a blowout game or in other situations that were less impactful. I think you could make the argument that Haley was as big a part of that team's success as the Triplets were... watch those old games and tell me I'm wrong.

I say this because I really hope that the personnel changes and coaching changes that we have this year might put us over the top in this regard. I feel like there is a chance. Let me know if you've ever had a similar concern that our premier pass rushers just don't feel as impactful as their numbers sometimes suggest, and if so, why that might be.
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I would take Ware over Haley every single day of the week. This junk time stuff is way off on Ware.
 
tyke1doe said:
I wouldn't.
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to each his own.

I've seen few players as good as Demarcus Ware throw in the fact that he is an awesome dude just made me love him more.

I really am looking forward to him going into the hall of fame and going up in the ring of honor. I will go to the stadium that night in my Ware jersey.
 
When Jimmy Johnson was here Dallas had a great front four and a few replacements that could have started on most other teams, then Johnson left and free agency made it harder to have that much talent at one position.
 
glimmerman said:
Every starting D-Line player on our D-Line are all household names. All stars across the front... War dads all the way.
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Our front 4 is the best in years as far as talent
Some have things to prove and some are older but all have talent
I’ve been worried about DE but it looks solid now
DT is the best in years though older
Gonna be interesting to see if smith can be what he was, if the older players still have gas in the tank
But should be better than last year so that helps
 
BackInTown said:
I have made it a pandemic habit to watch 90s cowboys football games on YouTube as a way to relax at bedtime or to play them in the background while doing other things. It is relaxing, because you know they won't let you down. Anyway, one thing that really jumps off the screen is how consistently disruptive and effective Charles Haley was. I remembered this from the 90s... you could rely on him to pressure the other team and make some big plays when the Cowboys needed one. It's funny, but I thought that this was something that I had built up in my mind, but going back to the games, I was surprised to find that it was really true, even more so than I had remembered. He (along with Leon Lett for much of this time) were just monsters from 1993-1995.

We have had a lot of good and even some great pass rushers since Haley. Some of them have even better career sack/pressure numbers than Haley did (unless you count Super Bowl games and wins as a "number", of course), and I think that people consider at least one of these War Daddies (D.Ware) as an even better player in his day than Haley was in his. But somehow, I've never felt the same way watching any of them play as I did/do watching Haley: DeMarcus Ware, peak Anthony Spencer, peak DeMarcus Lawrence... they got numbers, but there's just something less disruptive about them overall compared to Haley's greatness: they seemed to have longer stretches without big plays, and it seemed like more of their numbers came from junk time at the end of a blowout game or in other situations that were less impactful. I think you could make the argument that Haley was as big a part of that team's success as the Triplets were... watch those old games and tell me I'm wrong.

I say this because I really hope that the personnel changes and coaching changes that we have this year might put us over the top in this regard. I feel like there is a chance. Let me know if you've ever had a similar concern that our premier pass rushers just don't feel as impactful as their numbers sometimes suggest, and if so, why that might be.
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Haley was the final piece of the puzzle to building a SB-caliber team in '92. Period. End of discussion.
 
Endzoneview said:
Poe won’t be in on passing downs, he’s the space eater we finally have on run downs

I expect Griffin to kick inside with Crawford on passing downs
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Exactly...unless we add R. Gregory, then the front 4 on passing downs will be:
LDE - Aldon Smith
DT - Demarcus Lawrence
DT - Everson Griffen/Crawford
RDE - Randy Gregory
 
mperfection said:
Haley was the final piece of the puzzle to building a SB-caliber team in '92. Period. End of discussion.
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This is just the simple narrative that gets put out there by the same people who think Deion Sanders was part of the cowboys dynasty.

The 1992 team added a ton of defensive help from 91. The team that took the field vs washington that monday night to start the season in september of 92 was much better than the team that walked out of the silver dome the previous january.

Kevin Smith - 1st round draft pick
Robert Jones - 1st round draft pick - rookie of the year
Chad Hennings - finally able to play
Thomas Everett -SS Traded for after the cardinals game.
Darren Woodson - 2nd round pick
Frank Cornish - free agent backup center
Lin Elliot - free agent
Charles Haley

They added a ton of new talent to that defense that year and people have just run with the idea that it was all Haley. If you put just Haley on the team that played at the silver dome in january of 92 they still lose.
 
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