Was Irvin in ICU in 99?

[Parcells4Life]

With the news about Jermichael Finley it makes me think about Irvin. Was he in ICU?

Don't be surprised if the league literally turns into flag or 2 hand touch in 10 years. These kinds of injuries are very serious and are becoming more frequent as it relates to head injuries.

 

[perrykemp]

Finley lowered his head -- it was just a football play. I think the referees made a mistake calling a flag on the defender.

Finley is 6-5 260lbs and a 200lb safety did his best to take him down.

Last week there was a lot of focus on Randall Cobb being taken down at the knees. This week a defender goes high and knocks out another Packer WR/TE. I know know what DBs as supposed to do.

 

[Rack]

The play was completely legal. Injuries will happen regardless, it's a physical sport (used to be anyway). If they try and completely take out the sport's physicality the NFL will go bankrupt. I'd rather watch soccer than touch football.

 

[Plankton]

Football is a collision sport. There is no way to eliminate injuries.

Hell, Reggie Wayne last night hurt his knee planting and reaching for a pass. It's not just the collisions that result in injuries. These guys know the risks, and are compensated very well for the risk that they take.

 

[joseephuss]

Finley lowered his head -- it was just a football play. I think the referees made a mistake calling a flag on the defender.

Finley is 6-5 260lbs and a 200lb safety did his best to take him down.

Last week there was a lot of focus on Randall Cobb being taken down at the knees. This week a defender goes high and knocks out another Packer WR/TE. I know know what DBs as supposed to do.

That isn't correct. The defender didn't go high. It only seemed that way because of what you said at the beginning, Finley lowered his head. I don't know what a defender is supposed to do in that situation. One could possibly make a case that the refs could have flagged Finley for leading with the crown of his helmet(new rule).

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Football is a violent sport.
Anybody with an IQ higher than Adam PacMan Jones knows the dangers and risks.
NFL players are paid money the rest of us can only dream of. Then they complain about post-career conditions.
The only way out for the NFL is to make players sign a waiver (at the point of signing for the first time) for all injuries, real or imagined.
That is the only way the NFL will be able to continue.

 

[perrykemp]

That isn't correct. The defender didn't go high. It only seemed that way because of what you said at the beginning, Finley lowered his head. I don't know what a defender is supposed to do in that situation. One could possibly make a case that the refs could have flagged Finley for leading with the crown of his helmet(new rule).

Sorry -- I meant a defender went "higher". My bad. My point was the DBs are being asked to hit a very tight target zone.

I don't think the hits on Randall Cobb last week or Jermichael Finley this week were either illegal OR dirty.

I think these two hits have received a lot of air play simply because they've been to one of the NFL's premiere receiving corps. If Cobb played for the Jaguars, would anybody care?

 

[joseephuss]

Sorry -- I meant a defender went "higher". My bad. My point was the DBs are being asked to hit a very tight target zone.

I don't think the hits on Randall Cobb last week or Jermichael Finley this week were either illegal OR dirty.

I think these two hits have received a lot of air play simply because they've been to one of the NFL's premiere receiving corps. If Cobb played for the Jaguars, would anybody care?

I agree with all points.

 

[Zman5]

I don't think the hit on Finley was dirty or illegal. If you want to see a dirty play, go watch the Merriweather's (Deadskins safety) hit on Chicago WRs yesterday.

 

[links18]

Football is a violent sport.
Anybody with an IQ higher than Adam PacMan Jones knows the dangers and risks.
NFL players are paid money the rest of us can only dream of. Then they complain about post-career conditions.
The only way out for the NFL is to make players sign a waiver (at the point of signing for the first time) for all injuries, real or imagined.
That is the only way the NFL will be able to continue.

Except that how you evaluate "risk" often depends on where you sit socio-economically; no amount of waiver signing is going to eliminate that discrepancy.

 

[Parcells4Life]

I think the fact that it wasn't a dirty hit is even more problematic for the NFL. Normal "football" plays are putting guys in the ICU or giving them concussions. Remember Aikman's last concussion, a rollout in the redzone on the right sideline against Washington. We all thought it was a pretty innocent play, but ended his career.

Only other way NFL can hope to avoid this is by putting the guys in NASCAR suits. They do all their equipment to prevent death at 200 mph collisions.

 

[VThokie7]

I think the fact that it wasn't a dirty hit is even more problematic for the NFL. Normal "football" plays are putting guys in the ICU or giving them concussions. Remember Aikman's last concussion, a rollout in the redzone on the right sideline against Washington. We all thought it was a pretty innocent play, but ended his career.

Only other way NFL can hope to avoid this is by putting the guys in NASCAR suits. They do all their equipment to prevent death at 200 mph collisions.

I disagree, the NFL doesn't need to avoid all injuries, it would be an impossible feat. They simply need to be able to show they're doing everything they can to reduce head injuries by taking targetting and cheap shots out of the game. If a player is hurt on a legal play that is just the risk that goes along with playing the game.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Except that how you evaluate "risk" often depends on where you sit socio-economically; no amount of waiver signing is going to eliminate that discrepancy.

Ipso facto liability waivers are everwhere. ride a roller coaster, take a prescription, we sign off on a lot of liability possibilities.
You can't enter a violent sport and then complain of injury (well, actually, you can).
Sad.
On side of me says we should make the sport safter and humane and the other part of me says "hey, let's back a cake and get a keg."

 

[joseephuss]

I disagree, the NFL doesn't need to avoid all injuries, it would be an impossible feat. They simply need to be able to show they're doing everything they can to reduce head injuries by taking targetting and cheap shots out of the game. If a player is hurt on a legal play that is just the risk that goes along with playing the game.

Agreed. They also need to take steps like taking the player to the ICU as they did in this case. In years past, the player may just go sit in the locker room or at the end of the bench or maybe even sneak back onto the field.