Was London a success?

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joseephuss;1734900 said:
Didn't the plan to start playing some games in foreign countries start before Goodell was in charge? The 49ers and Cardinals played in Mexico last year, which was Goodell's first season, but that game was schedule before Goodell actually started as commissioner.

Mexico, as far as I know, has a pretty strong football fan base. Not to mention a flight from SF and Arizona to Mexico is hardly long. It's like 2 hours, and you dn't even change time zones.
 

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PosterChild;1734915 said:
True, but as a good steward of the league shouldn't he steer the NFL ship into calm, welcoming waters?? Ok, enough analogies for one post...my point is that it's clear that the Euros aren't eager to have our football rammed down their throats. Time to face it.

I don't think one or even two games a year is cramming it down their throats. I don't see it being a success for a long time, but if it is ever going to achieve any type of success then a game or two will have to be featured somewhere out of the country. If there is no exposure then the game will never grow outside of the U.S.
 

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joseephuss;1734939 said:
I don't think one or even two games a year is cramming it down their throats. I don't see it being a success for a long time, but if it is ever going to achieve any type of success then a game or two will have to be featured somewhere out of the country. If there is no exposure then the game will never grow outside of the U.S.


Kind of how I see it, too. I would love to see the league increase to 17 games and have one game at a neutral site, but that would be long down the road, I think.
 

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I think it was a success. I mean they said they could have sold out the game nine times over, so that is a huge success. This bein the first time for a regular season game in Europe I think there were some significant issues that the NFL needs to workout. Namely the Field or Pitch. Need better grass for it and they NFL needs to pick two teams that are competative. I know Rosters change from Year to year, but Giants/Dolphins is hardly a good game. GB/SD would be a great example of a game to be held over there. Hell Dallas/Washington would be a HUGE game. I am all for regular season games over in Europe, but no Super Bowl until Europe gets a team.
 

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superpunk;1734830 said:
I didn't catch the whole game, just watched the end.

Granted, this was perhaps the worst display of American Football that we could have possibly managed, but that stadium was a ghost-town, in terms of volume. The only time I noticed significant cheering was when Tynes was in for kicks. The field was a disaster (different sort of mud?) and the whole thing just seemed weak, with jerseys of every NFL team in the stadium.

Is this what we're expanding to? Soccer fans (hardcore ones) can't seem to get in to football because of all the downtime, it's hard to appreciate what goes on in thsoe six-second bursts of fury for someone who thinks watching teams kick a ball around nonstop making very little progress enormously entertaining. (It's been said, but I can't trust a sport that can't explain to me what offsides is....)

So, was it a success? Will we be seeing mroe games over there?Was the stadium loud before they were bombarded with crappy football. Are we still going to have to hear people talking up the Giants?


You did not watch the game expect for the end of it yet you say it was a ghost-town? Yes this was a successful outing and the fans where into the game and for most of the game was pretty much a filled stadium they had no problem selling tickets to this even. Granted it could have been a better matchup but for the most part yes is was a success and at least Miami put up a fight to make it close.
 

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I think it was a pretty stunning success as far as how it went over, enough so that they'll probably continue to do it. The fans enjoyed it enough that they were boooing the Giants for taking a knee at the end of the game, evidently they wanted more. I have a good friend in London who emailed me and said that the lines to the Tube (subway) were completely backed up due to the game. They showed pan shots of the game and everyone in the stadium was wearing a different jerseys of their favorite team.


The quality of game wasn't that great, you could say that for about 11 of the 13 matchups any given week in today's NFL. They gave us a washed up Becks and we gave them the Dolphins, seems like a pretty fair trade. There was a bit of a culture conflict though, because the fans brought whistles to the game to make noise, ala Soccer, and you could tell it was distracting the players. Many times the offensive linemen would stop blocking in the middle of the play because they thought the refs had stopped play. I'm not sure how they go about fixing that one.
 

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Good Read.


BY GREG COTE

DOLPHINS IN LONDON
What's English for football?
To most of London, the Dolphins-Giants game on Sunday, while a sellout at Wembley Stadium, is an obscure oddity.

LONDON -- Everybody, everybody is talking football over here. Just not the kind the NFL had in mind.

''The one with the funny-shaped ball? It's not proper football is it,'' says the


gentleman guiding our small taxi Friday from the Dolphins' team hotel on glamorous Park Lane, past the Aston Martin dealership. ``It's all double-dutch to us. We don't understand the rules at all.''

The driver had only a vague awareness there was an American football game happening here Sunday. Couldn't be sure it was the Miami Dolphins and New York Giants. Didn't know it was at Wembley Stadium.

In this city of some 11 million people, he wasn't alone. You mention Sunday's big football game around here and Londoners assume you mean Arsenal vs. Liverpool in a highly anticipated Premier League soccer match.

There is arrogance at once bravely admirable and faintly galling in the NFL's notion it can package itself for export to a waiting, hungry world -- that it can parachute one of its midseason games into a diverse, cosmopolitan capital like this one and expect the populace to curtsy and swoon.

There is some of that going on here, yes. Wembley's nearly 90,000 seats sold out quickly for this first-ever NFL regular season game staged overseas. The circus has come to town, and curiosity over the unique, highly marketed visit of this major American sports brand is augmented by a hard-core minority of Brits who do follow the stateside version of football.

But to say this game has gripped Great Britain on account of Dolphins-Giants would be roughly akin to saying soccer captivated America once David Beckham touched down.

''I reckon only one in 10 people at this game will know what's really going on,'' guessed Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes, Scotland-born. ``It's an event and good for a few beers, but it's never going to sway football [soccer] fans. Once a year maybe there's a curiosity. But outside of that?''

It is humbling, and does the perspective good, to meander about London and feel such massive indifference for the sport that rules the U.S.

Consider that a blessing to the Dolphins, perhaps. The more who followed our football in England, the more who might know Miami slunk here with tails low, 0-7 and in the midst of a tumultuous, injury-wracked season among the worst in franchise history -- things all better unknown.

The movie shown on the Dolphins' long overnight charter flight here was, appropriately, Pursuit of Happyness.

Ain't it the truth!

Dolphins defensive star Jason Taylor was asked here Friday about the 26-foot animatronic likeness of himself that has made the rounds around London to help promote the game, and whether or not he was embarrassed by it.

''No,'' he said, ''there are other things that can be more embarrassing.'' Like 0-7, he didn't have to add.

''It's depressing,'' owner Wayne Huizenga admitted of carrying a winless mark onto a stage as bathed in light as this one. ``You can't hide it. It hurts. I'd do anything for a win.''

Dolphins fans over here feel that feeling well, including the 120 or so loyalists of the Dolfans U.K. fan club, but don't mistake that for broad or general interest among average Brits.

I attended a Crystal Palace-Stoke City soccer match in town the other night to speak with fans there about the Dolphins and Sunday's game. None of a dozen I asked could name Miami's starting quarterback, although two volunteered they knew it wasn't still Dan Marino.

''One problem with your football is all of that padding,'' volunteered Brian Bennett, 26, a Stoke fan who works on bicycle as a courier. ``In rugby they let you know they're men. But your footballers hide in there, isn't it?''

A friend of his noted how silly it is that ''50 play on a side in American football.'' I mentioned yes, but only 11 play at a time. He said, ``Then why you need 50 then!''

Over at the Selhurst Park concession stand, I found Emily Waller unwrapping a steak- and potato-filled crescent pie.

''Football here has a fluency, an elegance to it even as the elbows fly,'' she observed. ``Whereas from what little I know of American football, it's full of starts and stops. Doesn't the game hiccup along?''

London's soccer-saturated English-language papers have given only token mention if any to the Dolphins-Giants game this week.

Like a guy on a bar stool in Pittsburgh harrumphing with disdain over soccer, this from writer Robert Philip in Friday's Daily Telegraph: ``Call me a Philistine, but I have always been immune to the attractions of American football. Any spectacle in which a 6-foot 2-inch, 326-pound block of lard can become a superstar is, to these eyes, a freak show rather than a sporting contest.''

Writer Ivan Speck in the Daily Mail: ``Gridiron, end zone, linebackers, quarterback. The terms are familiar, but how they are joined together is often lost in translation.''

Our version of [American] football is played in the United Kingdom, but on the far periphery of anything you'd credit with popularity. The British Collegiate American Football League features 42 teams nationwide, with slightly more than that number of amateur teams. One, the Sussex Thunder, plays in front of crowds that team chairman Tony Miller guessed at ``30 or 40 people.''

No doubt the glamour and glitz of a filled Wembley Stadium on Sunday will help sell the foreign sport here. Well, at least for a night. Until the bags are packed, the NFL circus heads home and the Arsenal-Liverpool replay fills the local pubs.

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I had a lot of friends at this game they had a great time. The game might have been crap but for many this was their first time seeing a proper NFL game live and they loved it.
This was never a case of showing Euros a new sport most of the people there where NFL fans and they know the game as good as any US fan does. This was the NFL bringing a game to an already large and existing fan base not showing their sport of to clueless Euros
 

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superpunk;1734830 said:
I didn't catch the whole game, just watched the end.

Granted, this was perhaps the worst display of American Football that we could have possibly managed, but that stadium was a ghost-town, in terms of volume. The only time I noticed significant cheering was when Tynes was in for kicks. The field was a disaster (different sort of mud?) and the whole thing just seemed weak, with jerseys of every NFL team in the stadium.

Is this what we're expanding to? Soccer fans (hardcore ones) can't seem to get in to football because of all the downtime, it's hard to appreciate what goes on in thsoe six-second bursts of fury for someone who thinks watching teams kick a ball around nonstop making very little progress enormously entertaining. (It's been said, but I can't trust a sport that can't explain to me what offsides is....)

So, was it a success? Will we be seeing mroe games over there?Was the stadium loud before they were bombarded with crappy football. Are we still going to have to hear people talking up the Giants?

Agree with one thing here. We could have put two high school teams out there and have had a better game. This was one of many nap games yesterday.

I love football but I also enjoy soccer. Maybe if you understood the sport you would find it interesting. It's not for everybody though, the Off side rule is confusing.;)

From the "talk" the NFL is going to expand to the world. Nothing wrong with that, it will take time though. If players keep wanting salaries to increase then revenue needs to rise. I doubt most teams or players would have a problem with it.
 

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Doomsday101;1735023 said:
You did not watch the game expect for the end of it yet you say it was a ghost-town? Yes this was a successful outing and the fans where into the game and for most of the game was pretty much a filled stadium they had no problem selling tickets to this even. Granted it could have been a better matchup but for the most part yes is was a success and at least Miami put up a fight to make it close.

One of the three commentators said the mayor told him they could have sold that game out three times over. that ain't bad.
 

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Dave_in-NC;1735189 said:
One of the three commentators said the mayor told him they could have sold that game out three times over. that ain't bad.

Not bad at all. I'm sure the NFL is not going to be everyones cup a tea (Pardon the pun) but I think this is a great way to promote American football and help get the youth involved in this game. I was glad Moose brought up Germany to the commish because there seems to be a healthy following their as well. I don't take any of this as the NFL trying to add teams there I see it as a way of promoting it and helping build an international talent base much like we have seen in baseball and basketball. Years ago you did not see people from other countries playing NBA or MLB now most teams have international players on their rosters.
 

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I have a question about this too. Goodell mentioned in the booth that they could have sold it out "9 times over," but the stadium was half empty. What was the attentendance figure for the game? I was pissed that none of the "journalists" in the booth called him on that when he made the statement.
 

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Daudr;1735230 said:
I have a question about this too. Goodell mentioned in the booth that they could have sold it out "9 times over," but the stadium was half empty. What was the attentendance figure for the game? I was pissed that none of the "journalists" in the booth called him on that when he made the statement.

For most of the game the crowd was there late in the game people started to leave but they do the same here.
 

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Doomsday101;1735234 said:
For most of the game the crowd was there late in the game people started to leave but they do the same here.

I watched from the beginning and the 50-yard line and upper decks were empty from the beginning of the game.
 

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Daudr;1735247 said:
I watched from the beginning and the 50-yard line and upper decks were empty from the beginning of the game.

I'm not sure how many were in attendance, but they soldout 90,000 seats in a few hours. My friend tried to buy tickets a couple of days after they went on sale, and they pretty much laughed at him.
 

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Daudr;1735247 said:
I watched from the beginning and the 50-yard line and upper decks were empty from the beginning of the game.

I know that some premium seating, probably around the 50 yard line, is part of some special outrageously expensive Wembley ticket club. I remember reading something about it after watching an England game and wondering why such prime seats were sitting empty.
 

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If theres another game, it should definitely be in Germany. It'd stand a much better chance there demographically.

Handball is like the forth most popular sport there. There's room.
 
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