Was X a Cowboys player in any capacity? How to know?

[dwmyers]

Ran into a guy at lunch. Won't name him, don't want any embarrassment here. Says he was with the Cowboys from 1990 to 1992. I have his name, I can see that he was drafted in 1989, by the team he claimed to be with in 1989.

I don't see any stats for X in 1990.

I'm trying to figure out if there are still extant rosters, practice squad lists, lists of people in training camp.

I could care less if he was simply practice squad (or training camp) fodder for three years, but it'd be nice to know & confirm.

Thanks for any suggestions in advance.

David.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

He looks familiar, but I don't remember if he ever made the team.

 

[WoodysGirl]

nfl.com, google...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Try looking here

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77615

 

[ChopBlock]

http://www.football-almanac.com/teams/1990_Dallas_Cowboys.shtml

 

[joseephuss]

There used to be an all-time roster on dallascowboys.com. I downloaded it a couple of years ago. Here is everyone on it that was with Dallas starting in 1990.

Smith, Emmitt RB Florida 1990-02
Willis, Ken K Kentucky 1990-91
Stoudt, Cliff QB Youngstown St. 1990-91
Highsmith, Alonzo FB Miami, Fla. 1990-91
Smagala, Stan DB Notre Dame 1990-91
Awalt, Rob TE San Diego State 1990-91
Stubbs, Daniel DE Miami, Fla. 1990-91
Wright, Alexander WR Auburn 1990-92
Smith, Vinson LB East Carolina 1990-92, 1997
Jones, Jimmie DL Miami, Fla. 1990-93
Gasek, John G Cal. St. - Sacramento 1990-93
Gant, Kenneth CB Albany St. 1990-94
Agee, Tommie FB Auburn 1990-94
Washington, James S UCLA 1990-94
Novacek, Jay TE Wyoming 1990-96
Smith, Timmy RB Texas Tech 1990
Perryman, Robert FB Michigan 1990
Brooks, Michael S North Carolina State 1990
Harper, Dave LB Humboldt State 1990
Brinkley, Lester DL Mississippi 1990
Slaton, Tony G Southern Cal. 1990
Cheek, Louis OL Texas A&M 1990
Harris, Rod WR Texas A&M 1990
McKinnon, Dennis WR Florida State 1990
Crockett, Willis LB Georgia Tech 1990
Willis, Mitch DT Southern Methodist 1990

 

[dwmyers]

Try looking here

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77615

Thanks, and much appreciated. Obviously these photos are a snapshot in time. Did Hos or anyone know when they were taken?

As I suggested, the fellow I'm talking about may have just been a practice squad guy or a training camp guy.

D-

 

[arglebargle]

Which is still worth bragging about!

 

[physeter]

He looks familiar, but I don't remember if he ever made the team.

:laugh2:

 

[fgoodwin]

Ran into a guy at lunch. Won't name him, don't want any embarrassment here. Says he was with the Cowboys from 1990 to 1992. I have his name, I can see that he was drafted in 1989, by the team he claimed to be with in 1989.

I don't see any stats for X in 1990.

I'm trying to figure out if there are still extant rosters, practice squad lists, lists of people in training camp.

I could care less if he was simply practice squad (or training camp) fodder for three years, but it'd be nice to know & confirm.

Thanks for any suggestions in advance.

David.

Good luck with your quest. We could help you more if you would give us his name. In any event, the burden of proof is always on the guy making the claim.

If what he says is true, he should be able to produce evidence of it. But if he is lying, there is no way you or anyone else outside of him and the Cowboys can prove it. In other words, if he is lying, by definition no amount of searching by you, me or anyone else will ever turn up any evidence that he was a Cowboy because such evidence won't exist.

Can we conclude then that he was not a Cowboy? No, because we don't know he is lying and because "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". For all we know, we could find the evidence in the very next place we look (although such evidence won't exist, we don't know that, and so we must keep searching indefinitely).

That is why the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the one making the claim. We have no proof that he is lying, but we also have no reason to believe him absent any evidence. Like Carl Sagan once said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

While I admire what you are trying to do, the bottom line is, he must prove his claim himself. But on the chance that he is telling the truth, enter his name in the search here and see what turns up:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/Search/Search.php

 

[Leadbelly]

Ran into a guy at lunch. Won't name him, don't want any embarrassment here. Says he was with the Cowboys from 1990 to 1992. I have his name, I can see that he was drafted in 1989, by the team he claimed to be with in 1989.

I don't see any stats for X in 1990.

I'm trying to figure out if there are still extant rosters, practice squad lists, lists of people in training camp.

I could care less if he was simply practice squad (or training camp) fodder for three years, but it'd be nice to know & confirm.

Thanks for any suggestions in advance.

David.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1990_roster.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1991_roster.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1992_roster.htm

Derrick Gainer?

 

[Hostile]

PM me his name and I'll tell you everything you could ever want to know about him.

There's a guy here in Tucson who claims all the time to be a former Dallas Cowboy. He wears the same Cowboys jacket, and rides the same buses as he did 5 years ago when I met him.

The problem is, it is a lie. He claims to have played at USC and that he was drafted as a DB by the Cowboys and played with Thurman's Thieves. The problem is, I can name every one of Thurman's Thieves, and the only guy we drafted from USC as a DB was Dennis Thurman himself, and he is not Dennis Thurman.

The year he claims he was drafted we did not take a USC player. I also looked up USC and his name is not among the players there. A complete fraud.

There were some guys who were very excited for me to meet him. I ended up exposing the lie. I feel kind of bad about it in a lot of ways because he walks with the aid of a walker and some people felt he was important as an ex-Cowboys player.

 

[LeonDixson]

PM me his name and I'll tell you everything you could ever want to know about him.

There's a guy here in Tucson who claims all the time to be a former Dallas Cowboy. He wears the same Cowboys jacket, and rides the same buses as he did 5 years ago when I met him.

The problem is, it is a lie. He claims to have played at USC and that he was drafted as a DB by the Cowboys and played with Thurman's Thieves. The problem is, I can name every one of Thurman's Thieves, and the only guy we drafted from USC as a DB was Dennis Thurman himself, and he is not Dennis Thurman.

The year he claims he was drafted we did not take a USC player. I also looked up USC and his name is not among the players there. A complete fraud.

There were some guys who were very excited for me to meet him. I ended up exposing the lie. I feel kind of bad about it in a lot of ways because he walks with the aid of a walker and some people felt he was important as an ex-Cowboys player.

I don't feel bad for anybody caught in an unnecessary outright lie.

 

[Hostile]

I don't feel bad for anybody caught in an unnecessary outright lie.

I know man. He's not a bad guy and he doesn't benefit at all from the lies. People just made him feel important by being in awe of it.

 

[jazzcat22]

Thanks, and much appreciated. Obviously these photos are a snapshot in time. Did Hos or anyone know when they were taken?

As I suggested, the fellow I'm talking about may have just been a practice squad guy or a training camp guy.

D-

They didn't have practice squads then.

 

[jazzcat22]

I know man. He's not a bad guy and he doesn't benefit at all from the lies. People just made him feel important by being in awe of it.

Right, I know, and have met quite a few people like this. Many claim to have had a great college career, and was to be drafted. But an injury prevented it, and never could play again at a professional level.
Or claimed to been with a team for a short time. Or got out while they could still walk.

Now some may be true, but I'm skeptical of many.

 

[Hostile]

Right, I know, and have met quite a few people like this. Many claim to have had a great college career, and was to be drafted. But an injury prevented it, and never could play again at a professional level.
Or claimed to been with a team for a short time. Or got out while they could still walk.

Now some may be true, but I'm skeptical of many.

At a college level I am not a skeptic. At the NFL level is a different story. He's a nice old guy really.

 

[ChopBlock]

I don't feel bad for anybody caught in an unnecessary outright lie.

Me either. I see it all the time too.

 

[THUMPER]

I ran into pro wrestler Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart one time and confronted him about his claims to have played for the Cowboys and Raiders. He swore up and down and tried to intimidate me but I wouldn't back off. He never made the final roster of either team although he was in training camp for both and played in a couple of pre-season games for the Raiders. To his death he continued to claim that he had played for both teams though.

Loved the guy as a wrestler but you can't BS me on who was actually in the NFL! I have WAY too many resources to verify those claims.

I've known lots of guys who claimed to have played in the NFL and all but a couple of them were lies or that they actually went to TC with a team but that was it.

 

[fgoodwin]

They didn't have practice squads then.

The time period in question is 1990-92. I can assure you that practice squads existed then. In fact, the "taxi squad" (what we now call the practice squad) was invented by Cleveland Browns coach Paul Brown in the 40s.