Washington vs Arizona game thread

[1fisher]

Well he went 2-5 last season. 4-2 is progress.

And he has great poise.

With a "DUH" look on his face all the time.

 

[Idgit]

They're doing great considering the injuries.
It's funny because just 2 weeks ago you guys were preaching "Good teams find ways to win." Now it just "The 'Stinks pulled out a lucky win". lmao

I didn't insinuate you were lucky. I insinuated you weren't a very good offense.

There's a huge difference between finding a way to win *a* game and not having enough talent to win against good teams. But, of course, you know that.

 

[03EBZ06]

Of course we were inept.

Well, at least you've admitted it. Regardless why, it is what it is, an ineptness.

 

[03EBZ06]

They're doing great considering the injuries.
It's funny because just 2 weeks ago you guys were preaching "Good teams find ways to win." Now it just "The 'Stinks pulled out a lucky win". lmao

The big difference is...

We created a win by making plays at the end to win, whereas, your team got on knees praying that other team would miss a winning FG. You guys begged for a win, we won because we made the plays in the end.

 

[silverbear]

Considering that 3/5 of his offensive lineman is out and 2 backup were playing hurt in this game I expected the game plan to be conservative and for him to not lose the game. And that what he did. Our play calls were "Run, Run, Pass" how do you expect a QB to put up numbers?

Seems you're not enamored of the ultra-conservative play calling by Saunders... well, get used to it, the Skins obviously won't take the wraps off of Campbell, no matter what the situation...

 

[silverbear]

Well he went 2-5 last season. 4-2 is progress.

And he has great poise.

His stats line is not significantly better than it was last year...

 

[silverbear]

It's call having 3/5 of your offensive line injured and 2 backup playing on 1 leg. And the Arizona front 4 is pretty damn good with Dockett and Alan Branch.

Oh, please-- the Cards rank 17th in the NFL in rushing defense, 19th in yards per carry... and as for the pass rush, they're tied for 9th with 17 whole sacks (one more than the Skins have at this point)...

And these stats are AFTER dominating the Skins... they were ranked somewhat lower going into last Sunday's game...

Al Saunder admits that he was gameplanning conservatively and letting the defense win the game.

Well, way to almost let an inferior team beat you, Al... ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

Of course we were inept. Take any team in the league and take away 3 of there starters on the o-line and see how well perform.

The Boys could endure such a rash of injuries better than the Skins could, with McQuistan, Free and Marten all itching to get on the field...

This team is going to have to rely on the defense for another month or two until they get randy thomas back. I just cant see this offense performing without him in there.

You're dreaming if you think you're gonna see an effective Randy Thomas before training camp next year...

 

[Mr. Grundle]

I wonder which day this week it will be that we read an article in the Washington Post about how "poised" Jason Campbell was as he went 12 of 18 for all of 95 yards passing (87 net yards)...

The Post has cranked out a series of such articles, lauding the "progress" Campbell is making this year, even as his quarterback rating stands at 78.5... seems they're grading on some kind of curve, much like Skins fans do...

Actually, now that you mention it.....Campbell was very poised. I can just imagine certain other QB's being on the verge of tears if they were in his situation. Anyone actually watching the games objectively would realize that Jason Campbell has been the ONLY positive thing about the Commanders offense this year.

He's lost 3 starting offensive lineman, and now even the backups are playing hurt. The run game has suffered greatly. The coaches are calling horrible and conservative plays. Wide receivers are dropping balls at an alarming rate....usually on 3rd down. The kid is getting absolutely no help.

12-18 for 95 yards was a result of scared play-calling (screens, dump offs), and players dropping balls that would have extended drives. Campbell didn't really play bad....he executed what was given to him pretty well.

Campbell was not the problem. The O-line, the wide receivers, the running backs, and the coaches are more to blame for that putrid offensive performance.

 

[silverbear]

Actually, now that you mention it.....Campbell was very poised. I can just imagine certain other QB's being on the verge of tears if they were in his situation. Anyone actually watching the games objectively would realize that Jason Campbell has been the ONLY positive thing about the Commanders offense this year.

He's lost 3 starting offensive lineman, and now even the backups are playing hurt. The run game has suffered greatly. The coaches are calling horrible and conservative plays. Wide receivers are dropping balls at an alarming rate....usually on 3rd down. The kid is getting absolutely no help.

12-18 for 95 yards was a result of scared play-calling (screens, dump offs), and players dropping balls that would have extended drives. Campbell didn't really play bad....he executed what was given to him pretty well.

Campbell was not the problem. The O-line, the wide receivers, the running backs, and the coaches are more to blame for that putrid offensive performance.

You're gonna be REALLY pissed of when, in a year or two's time, Campbell is sent packing, and the Skins have to go back to the drawing board to find their "quarterback of the future"...

Bottom line, Campbell is STILL nothing more than a dink and dunker (his top WR is tied for 34th in receptions, his 2nd WR is tied for 69th, no other WR has more than 4 catches, and no WR has even caught a TD pass in the Skins' first 6 games), and his quarterback rating is STILL under 80... after 13 starts, we're no longer talking about a small sample size here, the numbers are starting to paint a picture...

A picture that involves the Skins averaging 183.2 yards per game passing with Campbell as the starter... you're not gonna win many games in today's NFL if you can't even pass for 3000 yards in a 16 game season...

Yes, part of the reason for Campbell's subpar numbers involves a banged-up offensive line and subpar receivers... but part of it lies in the way the Skins refuse to let Jason take any chances at all, apparently terrified of the mistakes a young QB will make when you do so... but if you ever wish to turn that young QB into a polished, winning NFL QB, you HAVE to let him suffer through his growing pains, you HAVE to let him make his mistakes...

Which is why I say by the time the Skins rectify their problems on the OL and in the WR corps, Campbell will be on his way out of DC, after 3 or 4 years of relative futility... he might go on to become a decent NFL-caliber QB at his next stop, but I don't see it happening in Washington...

 

[zrinkill]

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Without the drugs = Average QB = Campbell

 

[1fisher]

Actually, now that you mention it.....Campbell was very poised.


You ask any Commander fan about Campbell and I'll bet you the first word that comes out of their mouth is Poised.....

Poise blah, blah, blah......

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

You're gonna be REALLY pissed of when, in a year or two's time, Campbell is sent packing, and the Skins have to go back to the drawing board to find their "quarterback of the future"...

Bottom line, Campbell is STILL nothing more than a dink and dunker (his top WR is tied for 34th in receptions, his 2nd WR is tied for 69th, no other WR has more than 4 catches, and no WR has even caught a TD pass in the Skins' first 6 games), and his quarterback rating is STILL under 80... after 13 starts, we're no longer talking about a small sample size here, the numbers are starting to paint a picture...

A picture that involves the Skins averaging 183.2 yards per game passing with Campbell as the starter... you're not gonna win many games in today's NFL if you can't even pass for 3000 yards in a 16 game season...

Yes, part of the reason for Campbell's subpar numbers involves a banged-up offensive line and subpar receivers... but part of it lies in the way the Skins refuse to let Jason take any chances at all, apparently terrified of the mistakes a young QB will make when you do so... but if you ever wish to turn that young QB into a polished, winning NFL QB, you HAVE to let him suffer through his growing pains, you HAVE to let him make his mistakes...

Which is why I say by the time the Skins rectify their problems on the OL and in the WR corps, Campbell will be on his way out of DC, after 3 or 4 years of relative futility... he might go on to become a decent NFL-caliber QB at his next stop, but I don't see it happening in Washington...

Are you kidding me? The deep ball is one of Campbells best qualities. Two weeks ago he threw two perfect deep balls to santana and brandon lloyd. What happened? They were dropped. Campbell doesnt get a chance to show off his skills in this offense. Last week it was the play calling and the offensive line not being about to give him time.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Actually, now that you mention it.....Campbell was very poised.


You ask any Commander fan about Campbell and I'll bet you the first word that comes out of their mouth is Poised.....

Poise blah, blah, blah......

and the only people that say he isnt is *suprise*, cowboy fans. Do you think it is a fluke that every announcer comments about it every week?

 

[kapolani]

and the only people that say he isnt is *suprise*, cowboy fans. Do you think it is a fluke that every announcer comments about it every week?

I live in Maryland.

I love to listen to epsn radio on the way home from work. I suffer listening to John Riggins - but at least it's entertaining...

The funny thing is how wishy-washy the media down here is about Campbell. I remember Riggins saying that Campbell is absolutely a top 5 QB - all while the Commanders were winning games. He even said he'd take Campbell over Romo. LOL.

Just the other day - after the Commanders barely won against Arizona - he did a complete reversal - saying how he doesn't look poised in the pocket...

That was extremely funny.

 

[silverbear]

Are you kidding me? The deep ball is one of Campbells best qualities.

You keep telling yourself that...

Campbell doesnt get a chance to show off his skills in this offense.

I see, he's just being held by back by incompetent coaching, and a lousy front office that refuses to give him any offensive talent to work with... he's absolutely and completely blameless...

Thanks for clearing that up for me...

 

[1fisher]

and the only people that say he isnt is *suprise*, cowboy fans. Do you think it is a fluke that every announcer comments about it every week?

whoop-de-friggin dooooo.... an announcer said it so it must be true? Most of them are hacks with an agenda.

I don't need them to tell me anything. I can make my own decisions based on what I see!

 

[silverbear]

and the only people that say he isnt is *suprise*, cowboy fans. Do you think it is a fluke that every announcer comments about it every week?

The bottom line is that a quarterback with a rating under 80 is not a particularly good quarterback... the bottom line is the Skins currently rank 25th in the NFL in passing offense, which tells you all you need to know about their passing game, and their quarterback... especially when you consider they haven't exactly been lining up against the league's better pass defenses; the Cards are up to 6th in the NFL in pass defense, but that's a significant jump this week after holding the Skins to 87 net yards passing (prior to that game, they were allowing an average of 212.3 yards per game, which would rank them 16th in the league this week, meaning the Skins game jumped them 10 spots in the rankings)... the Giants are 13th in pass defense, the Dolphins are 14th, the Eagles are 18th, the Packers are 22nd and the Lions are 30th...

The Skins have played a succession of average to rather bad pass defenses, and are still averaging under 190 yards per game passing... I can't imagine that any Skins fan is even close to content with the production they're getting from their passing game; hell, we're six games into the season, and you guys STILL haven't had a WR catch a TD pass...

And some of you Skins fans try to tell me that Jason throws a really good deep ball... LOL...

 

[1fisher]

The bottom line is that a quarterback with a rating under 80 is not a particularly good quarterback... the bottom line is the Skins currently rank 25th in the NFL in passing offense, which tells you all you need to know about their passing game, and their quarterback... especially when you consider they haven't exactly been lining up against the league's better pass defenses; the Cards are up to 6th in the NFL in pass defense, but that's a significant jump this week after holding the Skins to 87 net yards passing (prior to that game, they were allowing an average of 212.3 yards per game, which would rank them 16th in the league this week, meaning the Skins game jumped them 10 spots in the rankings)... the Giants are 13th in pass defense, the Dolphins are 14th, the Eagles are 18th, the Packers are 22nd and the Lions are 30th...

The Skins have played a succession of average to rather bad pass defenses, and are still averaging under 190 yards per game passing... I can't imagine that any Skins fan is even close to content with the production they're getting from their passing game; hell, we're six games into the season, and you guys STILL haven't had a WR catch a TD pass...

And some of you Skins fans try to tell me that Jason throws a really good deep ball... LOL...

DANG!!!!

 

[Danny White]

Are you kidding me? The deep ball is one of Campbells best qualities. Two weeks ago he threw two perfect deep balls to santana and brandon lloyd. What happened? They were dropped. Campbell doesnt get a chance to show off his skills in this offense. Last week it was the play calling and the offensive line not being about to give him time.

You are right, the deep ball is his best quality. Mostly because he stinks at passes that require touch and timing, but you are correct nonetheless.