Watching the game again; lack of pressure wasn't the problem

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I keep on seeing people over and over say how 'Eli had all day' and 'we never even touched Eli'.

That simply wasn't the case. I'm watching the game here on NFL Network and the Cowboys really did have good pressure on him. The thing is, Eli was getting the ball out fast, and because we were trying to avoid the deep pass, he had open receivers underneath quite a bit. Watching the game, you see a lot of repeats of snap...3 step drop, and then the ball is out to an open receiver that one of our cornerbacks gets to a second or two late.

Again, I can't fault the defense for a lack of pressure. It actually was pretty good, the Giants just game planned well for it. You could really see this dynamic once the Giants got into the endzone. We didn't need to cover deep so the short and midle routes were covered, Eli had to get rid of the ball quickly and nobody was open.

It is also worth noting that there was one sack by Ware overturned due to a penalty and Manning did a good job of avoiding a sack by Ware once for a completion (actually this was the 3rd and 20 right before we stopped them on 4th and 1), and a sack by Bradie James which led to a touchdown. We also had James more or less drop an interception when we got good pressure on him. Another quick throw by Eli nearly led to an A. Glenn INT, and the play right before had Eli throwing the ball to the ground because James was about to run him down.

I'll say again, Manning just played very well on Sunday. People don't want to give that to him but he was alert and got the ball out quickly and accurately. And despite him literally playing perfect, we still won and they only scored 20 points. We also completely avoided the big play.

One more thing: Carpenter was in for a drive towards the end of the second quarter, and he did a good job of both putting pressure on Eli and staying in good position to make a play on runs going to his side. I think if you give him a year or two, he will be a very solid linebacker. He doesn't look totally lost out there and he has very little NFL experience. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned into a Bradie James type player for us. Give him time.

One more thing: you can't say enough about Demarcus Ware. He is one of the most complete defenders in the NFL right now. If we had two of him our defense would be absolutely dominant.

Also, we gotta do better on screen passes. That's one of the main ways they gained yards.
 
jesusphreak;1212792 said:
Watching the game again; lack of pressure wasn't the problem

Oh ok then. Someone tell Bill Parcells he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about cuz our pass rush isn't a problem.

:rolleyes:
 
Rack;1212795 said:
Oh ok then. Someone tell Bill Parcells he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about cuz our pass rush isn't a problem.

:rolleyes:

And you don't think Parcells isn't going to be overly negative? He's always been like that because he expects the absolute best from his players. I'm not saying the pressure was perfect, but it wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be.
 
jesusphreak;1212792 said:
I keep on seeing people over and over say how 'Eli had all day' and 'we never even touched Eli'.

That simply wasn't the case. I'm watching the game here on NFL Network and the Cowboys really did have good pressure on him. The thing is, Eli was getting the ball out fast, and because we were trying to avoid the deep pass, he had open receivers underneath quite a bit. Watching the game, you see a lot of repeats of snap...3 step drop, and then the ball is out to an open receiver that one of our cornerbacks gets to a second or two late.

Again, I can't fault the defense for a lack of pressure. It actually was pretty good, the Giants just game planned well for it. You could really see this dynamic once the Giants got into the endzone. We didn't need to cover deep so the short and midle routes were covered, Eli had to get rid of the ball quickly and nobody was open.

It is also worth noting that there was one sack by Ware overturned due to a penalty and Manning did a good job of avoiding a sack by Ware once for a completion (actually this was the 3rd and 20 right before we stopped them on 4th and 1), and a sack by Bradie James which led to a touchdown. We also had James more or less drop an interception when we got good pressure on him.

I'll say again, Manning just played very well on Sunday. People don't want to give that to him but he was alert and got the ball out quickly and accurately. And despite him literally playing perfect, we still won and they only scored 20 points. We also completely avoided the big play.

One more thing: Carpenter was in for a drive towards the end of the second quarter, and he did a good job of both putting pressure on Eli and staying in good position to make a play on runs going to his side. I think if you give him a year or two, he will be a very solid linebacker. He doesn't look totally lost out there and he has very little NFL experience. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned into a Bradie James type player for us. Give him time.



I agree with most of what you said...Dallas did not blitz much but still got good push and they threw alot of underneath stuff that the Cowboys help turn into big plays by missed tackles...

It was probably the Cowboys worst tackling game of the season...
I would give the Giants some credit for making the Cowboys miss or running through the would be tackles..
 
Our pass rush faired well against what I consider the best offensive line in football (Seattle a close second). Look, the Giants absolutely needed that game, and the big uglies up front stepped up and protected Eli well.
 
Fan Since 77;1212806 said:
Our pass rush faired well against what I consider the best offensive line in football (Seattle a close second). Look, the Giants absolutely needed that game, and the big uglies up front stepped up and protected Eli well.

1. Were you referring to the Gnats' OL as the best in football?

2. The Gnats were missing their very best lineman and we couldn't take advantage. Our pass rush has been average on good days for a few years now.
 
Rack;1212808 said:
1. Were you referring to the Gnats' OL as the best in football?

2. The Gnats were missing their very best lineman and we couldn't take advantage. Our pass rush has been average on good days for a few years now.

I think they are one of the best when healthy, yes.

They stepped up and played great. I just think our lack of pressure had more to do with their O-line than our D-line.

Yes, I agree, our pass rush has been average for a while now, but I'm starting to see a change in that. The Giants game was a small setback.
Expect Brees to be running around for his life next game, even though the Saints also have a very solid O-line.
 
Fan Since 77;1212809 said:
I think they are one of the best when healthy, yes.

They stepped up and played great. I just think our lack of pressure had more to do with their O-line than our D-line.

Yes, I agree, our pass rush has been average for a while now, but I'm starting to see a change in that. The Giants game was a small setback.
Expect Brees to be running around for his life next game, even though the Saints also have a very solid O-line.

Oh ok. I guess almost every team's OL that we play "Step it up" and play great against our solid pass rush.

Yeah sure, Buddy.
 
It didn't help that Roy Williams had an AWEFUL game. He let Shockey beat him over the deep middle too often and whiffed on too many running plays. He'll need to step his game up with Reggie Bush coming to town.

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Fan Since 77;1212806 said:
Our pass rush faired well against what I consider the best offensive line in football (Seattle a close second). Look, the Giants absolutely needed that game, and the big uglies up front stepped up and protected Eli well.

One of the best? Really?? Isnt Whitfield as old as Yoda?
 
Rack;1212795 said:
Oh ok then. Someone tell Bill Parcells he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about cuz our pass rush isn't a problem.

:rolleyes:

Yes, Parcells, particularly after the Giants game, publically criticized Spears and Canty because they are overachieving. Singleton no doubt is an invaluable veteran who plays his position with discipline . However he literally trots after the quarterback like some happy labrador delivering a newspaper in his mouth. That man cannot muster a pass rush.
 
Rack;1212795 said:
Oh ok then. Someone tell Bill Parcells he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about cuz our pass rush isn't a problem.

:rolleyes:

I agree.....our pass rush has to improve! Seems like when we stunt, our success is much higher then when we are passive.:bang2:
 
Rack;1212808 said:
1. Were you referring to the Gnats' OL as the best in football?

2. The Gnats were missing their very best lineman and we couldn't take advantage. Our pass rush has been average on good days for a few years now.
:hammer:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
I agree Dallas did get good pressure on Eli but the Giants were determine to get the ball out quick. And Eli did a good good of going to his check down's like Tiki. Dallas is not going to be a very big blitz team because Parcells wants to limit the big plays. He would pefer teams try to have long drives against us. That is a big reason why Dallas defense was 4th in the NFL entering that game.
 
CrazyCowboy;1212860 said:
I agree.....our pass rush has to improve! Seems like when we stunt, our success is much higher then when we are passive.:bang2:
When you stunt and get caught it can go for a big play, that is the same as constantly blitzing, if you get there great but if you miss it can go for a big play.
 
Getting sacks has never been a priority for the Dallas defense. Sacks are an overrated statistic made even more popular been the explosion of fantasy football.

Quick, someone name the league leader in tackles for loss. A TFL is every bit as important as a sack. Isn't stopping a RB 3 yards behind the LOS "better" than a 2 yard sack?

Dallas covers the intermediate routes better than any team in football and has seemed to corrected most of their problems with deep balls so that leaves QB dumping down short. When Dallas covers and/or tackles the short receiver well, the defense looks dominant (Houston, Indianapolis) but gets criticized for a lack of pass rush (NYFG) when they don't.

When Parcells mentioned that Spears and Canty needed to step up, most assumed it was in regards to rushing the passer. I'd bet it was more an overall statement. There were times when both were manhandled one one one in the running game, I mean absolutely blown up. Ferguson isn't immune to criticism either. On one play vs. the Giants, he was pushed almost 10 yards downfield by a double team.
 
I'm kind of in the middle. I think in our three man line we need to rush a little better. In the 3-4 when we only rush 3, we seem to get absolutely no pressure. Parcells has mentioned a few times that Spears and Canty don't from playing the run to rushing the passer as quickly as we should. I realize rushing 3 we're not going to get a great rush, but we have to have some rush and not just let the quarterback order take out back there.

In our nickle rush or four man line, I think we're solid, decent. Ware is very good, but he can't do it himself. I think the main issue is the 3 man line, particularly Spears and Canty.
 
The Cowboys put decent pressure on Manning in the first half, but towards the end of the ball game, the Defense got pretty conservative.

Also, Manning was doing a pretty good job of side-stepping blitzers and getting outside the pocket.

I saw him do this to Singleton and Bradie James a couple of times. Eli had pretty good pocket awareness that night, along with Tony Romo, was very effective in using his feet and feeling the rush.

Personally, I thought Zimmer/Parcells did a good job with the pass rush vs the Colts and TB, but I think the defense stumbled against the Gints.

- Mike G.
 

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