Wax Nostalgia

[TheDude]

I have yet to see someone fess up to being a Reeves supprter begining circa the Brad Johnson experiment, but I will post an article that typifies what the Elway/reeves relationship was.

Point of this is people need to not see this as a loss in any way. Reeves may know football, but he lost how to relate to stars long ago. Bringing him into the dallas Cowboys "circus" will likely only make it worse.

http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/elway/attner.html

Yet, for all his spectacular nuggets, Elway was viewed as a novelty act under the guidance of coach Dan Reeves. The two fussed and feuded and somehow pushed the Broncos into three Super Bowls, each one an embarrassment to the franchise and a more increasingly shell-shocked city. Elway was mediocre in all three losses, but in fairness to him, his team never had a chance in any of the matchups. He remained as close to a one-man gang as the NFL could boost, a tag that might be individually flattering but one he certainly wanted to shed. The Super Bowl failures tarnished his accomplishments and reduced his place in history. He disagreed with the critics but ask him now if he doesn't think his career is viewed differently, two Super Bowl rings later.
Under Mike Shananhan, he flourished in a more complete way. "If I had the coaching for my entire career that I had over the last four years, my numbers would be a lot different," Elway says about the Shananhan seasons, where his touchdown-to-interception ratio became one of legends and he learned the discipline and decisiveness that separates the complete quarterback from the physically blessed pretenders. Unlike Reeves, Elway considered Shanahan, his old quarterback coach and offensive coordinator, to be a friend, not a verbal sparing partner. Shanahan's coaching philosophies brought direction and deepness to Elway's performances; Shanahan's presence brought a serenity to a career that he considered ending early to stop the internal turmoil created by his friction with Reeves.

The countdown to bashing the 2 time SB, multiple record holder Elway will begin in 3...2.....1.....

 

[dcfanatic]

Terrell Davis.

Next.

 

[dcfanatic]

Atlanta Falcons went to the Super Bowl.

Next.

 

[dcfanatic]

Dan Reeves or McLovin?

Next.

 

[theogt]

Is this a thread about old wax?

 

[bbgun]

It's "wax nostalgic." And unlike our current coach, Dan has won a playoff game or two.

 

[5Stars]

It's "wax nostalgic." And unlike our current coach, Dan has won a playoff game or two.

Are you talking about "aw shucks" 100 dollar fine man?

 

[dcfanatic]

I don't think anyone told McLovintobeembarrassedontheinternetz that Reeves and Elway played in three Super Bowls together within a four year span.

 

[speedkilz88]

The Broncos had no running game when Reeves was coach. I guess he could take the blame for that. But as DC already pointed out, it was Terrell Davis that put them over the hump more than anything.

 

[TheDude]

I don't think anyone told McLovintobeembarrassedontheinternetz that Reeves and Elway played in three Super Bowls together within a four year span.

• Watched him lose all 3 w/ Denver w/ a top 3 All-time QB
• Watched him have a meltdown w/ said QB
• Watched him get fired
• Watched him as a former RB and disciple of Landry (flex D founder) FAIL to build a running game or an average Defense (except Atwater)
• Watched said QB go on to win 2 SBs as a new caoch brought in a running game w/Trap blocking and all kinds of new innovative (for the time) ideas.
• Watch him go with Dave Brown as the franchise QB in NY
• Run out of town
• Watch him overachieve in ATL (thanks to a missed FG from Minn) and take a team to the SB
• And get blown out by his old (HOF) QB who he wanted to sit for Tommy Maddux

I have seen you

• go bat---- because an old retread wasn't hired to babysit another >60 yr old coach
• Yet to provide anyone here evidence that you were so "on board with this hire" back in the regular season
• Blame it all on the owner of the team and 1 receiver
• Try to augment your arguement that the retread is the answer because he has lost 4 SB

Let's bring in Marv Levy while we're at it


I have little problem with hiring Reeves as HC and firing Wade and Garrett. That is a 2 year fix, but I'll give you it is better than the current staff.

To bring in an AARP member to mentor another AARP member is the laughable part

 

[TheDude]

The Broncos had no running game when Reeves was coach. I guess he could take the blame for that. But as DC already pointed out, it was Terrell Davis that put them over the hump more than anything.

Seeing as how he was a RB, you'd think it mught be a priority.

He was a good coach in Denver, not so much in NY. He would have been a better hire than Wade 2 years ago, but its time to get younger (Tomlin, Wisenhunt, reid, Harbough, Fisher) Parcells did as good a job as possible for an old school coach, if he couldn't do it, how can anyone expect reeves to?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

 

[dcfanatic]

• Watched him lose all 3 w/ Denver w/ a top 3 All-time QB
• Watched him have a meltdown w/ said QB
• Watched him get fired
• Watched him as a former RB and disciple of Landry (flex D founder) FAIL to build a running game or an average Defense (except Atwater)
• Watched said QB go on to win 2 SBs as a new caoch brought in a running game w/Trap blocking and all kinds of new innovative (for the time) ideas.
• Watch him go with Dave Brown as the franchise QB in NY
• Run out of town
• Watch him overachieve in ATL (thanks to a missed FG from Minn) and take a team to the SB
• And get blown out by his old (HOF) QB who he wanted to sit for Tommy Maddux

I have seen you

• go bat---- because an old retread wasn't hired to babysit another >60 yr old coach
• Yet to provide anyone here evidence that you were so "on board with this hire" back in the regular season
• Blame it all on the owner of the team and 1 receiver
• Try to augment your arguement that the retread is the answer because he has lost 4 SB

Let's bring in Marv Levy while we're at it


I have little problem with hiring Reeves as HC and firing Wade and Garrett. That is a 2 year fix, but I'll give you it is better than the current staff.

To bring in an AARP member to mentor another AARP member is the laughable part

You don't get it McLovintomissthepointastowhythisentireReevesthingisahugemess.

No one, including me, thinks Reeves was the answer to all the problems.

The problem with the situation is that once again the Cowboys can't handle a simple task and they look like they are lost.

So stop being so simple minded and trying to portray me as some huge Dan Reeves supporter and saying that I thought he was going to save the franchise.

I never implied any of that.

But you are too simple to wrap your brain around that.

You are like a lot of people who hear someone criticize someone and assume they hate the guy. Or vice versa.

Expand your thought process a little more next time.

 

[ZeroClub]

I thought Reeves was impressive in New York and Atlanta, too.

His Giants team was very good but it had the misfortune of playing in the same division as some very strong teams, including one of the NFL's all-time greatest.