WB eyeing Ben Affleck to direct 'Justice League'

[CashMan]

It will fail regardless....Marvel>>>>>DC

ATM, idk. BB,TDK,TRKR were pretty good. IM and IM2, were ok. Thor was ehhh, the Hulk movies sucked, and I did think CA, was pretty good. Also, The Avengers was good, not TDK good though. If you are going back to X-men and SM, then X-men were good, X2 was ok, X3 sucked, Wolverine was ehhh, SM was good, SM2 was ok, and SM3 sucked.

 

[Stash]

Not at all. I am saying stop planning on the grandiose scale of introducing all the characters first and then the team up film. Just put all the planning and prep into the team up film itself. These characters are all known. Why bother with all the background information about how they got their powers or whatnot? Just plan on a good story about the team as a whole and go with that.

Sorry, but that statement is untrue. The vast majority of the movie-going public do not know these characters nor their origins. Origin sotries may be a necessary evil to some, but they are necessary.

If people don't know who they are, they won't care about them.

In The Godfather, they didn't have to show how he came into power. They just created a good story. In Star Wars, they just jumped into Episode IV of the whole story. There was no need to show how Don Corelone or Darth Vader got their respective starts. And those characters were unknown at the time. Everyone knows the major players from the DC comics.

And they also never had to talk about powers and abilities that the characters had or how they came to have them. Again, the vast majority do not know the characters outside of Batman and Superman.

I am all for planning. I'd rather they plan for one movie than trying to plan for 4 or 5 to make it all work. If done right, a team up film can work well and does not require lead up films.

Strongly disagree.

 

[Stash]

ATM, idk. BB,TDK,TRKR were pretty good. IM and IM2, were ok. Thor was ehhh, the Hulk movies sucked, and I did think CA, was pretty good. Also, The Avengers was good, not TDK good though. If you are going back to X-men and SM, then X-men were good, X2 was ok, X3 sucked, Wolverine was ehhh, SM was good, SM2 was ok, and SM3 sucked.

So the score would be about 14-3 then?

 

[joseephuss]

So the score would be about 14-3 then?

14-5 Both Fantastic Four movies were poor.

 

[joseephuss]

Sorry, but that statement is untrue. The vast majority of the movie-going public do not know these characters nor their origins. Origin sotries may be a necessary evil to some, but they are necessary.

If people don't know who they are, they won't care about them.

They will know Superman and Batman. They will even know Green Lantern since that was out last year. The rest can just ride on the main characters coattails.

They didn't do any back story on either the Black Widow or Hawkeye and still had them as part of The Avengers. People will care about the characters if it is a good story. Knowing their background isn't a necessity for that. It can help, but it isn't required. And if it has to be done, then it can be a small part. Superman, Batman and GL have been introduced. You are talking about coming up with back stories for maybe 2 more characters. That can be done in one movie.

A good story is a good story. If they put together a good story, it will do well. Sharing the origin of how Green Lantern got his powers didn't make that a good movie. In X-Men, they didn't go back and show Cyclops, Jean Grey or Storm first discovering their powers. They just went with it.

 

[Stash]

They will know Superman and Batman. They will even know Green Lantern since that was out last year. The rest can just ride on the main characters coattails.

Maybe, If they keep established continuity with Bale/Gordon-Levitt and Ryan Reynolds.

But don't expect many to care about the coattail riders.

They didn't do any back story on either the Black Widow or Hawkeye and still had them as part of The Avengers. People will care about the characters if it is a good story. Knowing their background isn't a necessity for that. It can help, but it isn't required. And if it has to be done, then it can be a small part. Superman, Batman and GL have been introduced. You are talking about coming up with back stories for maybe 2 more characters. That can be done in one movie.

But the characters had been introduced in prior films. Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and Hawkeye in Thor. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Hawkeye and Black Widow were definitely supporting characters, standing behind the Big Four which did have their own films. Are you OK with Wonder Woman being relegated to that background role?

A good story is a good story. If they put together a good story, it will do well. Sharing the origin of how Green Lantern got his powers didn't make that a good movie. In X-Men, they didn't go back and show Cyclops, Jean Grey or Storm first discovering their powers. They just went with it.

Very true. And that's a good example of what you're talking about. That said, other than Wolverine, folks didn't really much care too much about anyone else outside that trilogy.

 

[joseephuss]

Maybe, If they keep established continuity with Bale/Gordon-Levitt and Ryan Reynolds.

Are you saying they would need to do another Batman movie before they do a Justice League movie?

 

[DallasEast]

Maybe, If they keep established continuity with Bale/Gordon-Levitt and Ryan Reynolds.

Please please please let the movie gods prevent Reynolds from reprising his Hal Jordan character! He can jump over to Marvel and do Deadpool instead. That character fits his acting ability perfectly. Green Lantern? He definitely looks the part, but that's as good as it gets with him.

 

[Stash]

Are you saying they would need to do another Batman movie before they do a Justice League movie?

No!

But I feel they would have to use either of the actors from the Nolan trilogy.

 

[Stash]

Please please please let the movie gods prevent Reynolds from reprising his Hal Jordan character! He can jump over to Marvel and do Deadpool instead. That character fits his acting ability perfectly. Green Lantern? He definitely looks the part, but that's as good as it gets with him.

I'm not sure I'd put that mess entirely on him. I think Martin Campbell and mutiple screenwriters very much share in the blame.

I think a good director could get a good performance from Reynolds, at least in the ensemble Justice League film.

I think it's vitally important that a Justice League film bring in the actors now recognized as the iconic DC characters.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not sure I'd put that mess entirely on him. I think Martin Campbell and mutiple screenwriters very much share in the blame.

I think a good director could get a good performance from Reynolds, at least in the ensemble Justice League film.

I think it's vitally important that a Justice League film bring in the actors now recognized as the iconic DC characters.

I have not watched all of Ryan Reynolds' movies, but the character that he has played in the movies I have seen all remind me of one:

Van Wilder

Before Green Lantern debuted, I believe I mentioned on this board how I feared Reynolds inability to adopt Jordan's persona. Lo and behold, he made my fear come true in my opinion. So, even though I also had a few issues with the movie outside of Reynolds, such as Blake Lively as Carol Ferris, I am able to judge Reynolds' performance separately from. And I do not believe better direction can help him with this role. If it does, I'll change my tune, but I highly doubt Reynolds has it within him to do so.

 

[StevenOtero]

It will fail regardless....Marvel>>>>>DC

Ah, how typical. I guess for some it's impossible to like both.

 

[Stash]

I have not watched all of Ryan Reynolds' movies, but the character that he has played in the movies I have seen all remind me of one:

Van Wilder

Before Green Lantern debuted, I believe I mentioned on this board how I feared Reynolds inability to adopt Jordan's persona. Lo and behold, he made my fear come true in my opinion. So, even though I also had a few issues with the movie outside of Reynolds, such as Blake Lively as Carol Ferris, I am able to judge Reynolds' performance separately from. And I do not believe better direction can help him with this role. If it does, I'll change my tune, but I highly doubt Reynolds has it within him to do so.

Again, I obviously can't prove my theory on this one, but I think you'll agree that the screenwriting and direction didn't do him any favors.

But I think for better or worse, the die has been cast.

He is Green Lantern.

As Christian Bale is Batman. (though I think the end of Rises gives them the Gordon-Levitt option as well)

And next summer Henry Cavill is Superman.

Unless you're going to re-boot either of those two characters, I think those are the options you have.

 

[DallasEast]

Again, I obviously can't prove my theory on this one, but I think you'll agree that the screenwriting and direction didn't do him any favors.

But I think for better or worse, the die has been cast.

He is Green Lantern.

As Christian Bale is Batman. (though I think the end of Rises gives them the Gordon-Levitt option as well)

And next summer Henry Cavill is Superman.

Unless you're going to re-boot either of those two characters, I think those are the options you have.

You know, technically, it is not required that Hal Jordan be the Green Lantern of sector 2814. The job could go to John Stewart, Guy Gardner or Kyle Rayner...

Just me being ornery. :

 

[Stash]

You know, technically, it is not required that Hal Jordan be the Green Lantern of sector 2814. The job could go to John Stewart, Guy Gardner or Kyle Rayner...

Just me being ornery. :

Yeah, but for the vast majority, they just got introduced to that guy being Green Lantern.

Suddenly telling them it's someone else will only confuse them and likely make them simply tune out on the character.

Although, what the heck, Marvel was able to do it exceptionally well with Mark Ruffalo and the Hulk so maybe they could do it with one of the top characters?

I do think that it would be more difficult to pull off though as half the time, Hulk/Banner isn't even played by a real person.

I've just seen studio execs make too many foolish decisions and ruin good things to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah, but for the vast majority, they just got introduced to that guy being Green Lantern.

Suddenly telling them it's someone else will only confuse them and likely make them simply tune out on the character.

Although, what the heck, Marvel was able to do it exceptionally well with Mark Ruffalo and the Hulk so maybe they could do it with one of the top characters?

I do think that it would be more difficult to pull off though as half the time, Hulk/Banner isn't even played by a real person.

I've just seen studio execs make too many foolish decisions and ruin good things to give them the benefit of the doubt.

It might not prove too much of a problem if GL is seen wearing his mask for the majority of all of the Justice League movie...

Sorry. I'm grasping at any straws which would keep Reynolds from re-playing Jordan in ANY movie.

 

[Stash]

It might not prove too much of a problem if GL is seen wearing his mask for the majority of all of the Justice League movie...

Sorry. I'm grasping at any straws which would keep Reynolds from re-playing Jordan in ANY movie.

I can see why and honestly I don't blame you.

But again, I point to it as yet another example of what studio execs can get horribly wrong.

And they don't find out how wrong until $250 million later.

 

[joseephuss]

So the score would be about 14-3 then?

I forgot about Steel starring Shaquille O'Neal. Another DC classic. Actually, I didn't forget about it. I didn't even know that movie happened until I was looking something up earlier today and came across it. Glad I missed that one.

 

[CashMan]

I forgot about Steel starring Shaquille O'Neal. Another DC classic. Actually, I didn't forget about it. I didn't even know that movie happened until I was looking something up earlier today and came across it. Glad I missed that one.

I think we are talking about more recent, I think starting with X-men, and you have to throw in the GR movies which sucked, Watchmen?, and the stand alone SM(which I liked).

 

[joseephuss]

I think we are talking about more recent, I think starting with X-men, and you have to throw in the GR movies which sucked, Watchmen?, and the stand alone SM(which I liked).

What is GR?