We all need to quit saying that Jerry and Stephen do not understand the cap

[MikeT22]

What they don't understand is who to give extensions to and who to let walk, or how to structure the contracts. Most of their dead money this year was from Gallup. They gave him his new contract AFTER he had just tore up his knee. He was never the same and it wasn't hindsight to think this may not be a good idea. They also opted to give a 2nd contract to Terrance Steele which has been dubious at best. Not to even mention the record breaking deal to Dak. And, the list goes on and on. Dumb and Dumber own and run the team and there doesn't appear to be an end in sight.

 

[coult44]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

Wrong on this one bud. They all end up spending the same amount of money, and he just paid three players as much money as anybody gets paid so it’s not cheap. They do not have a great understanding of how it operates. If they did, they would do it differently. A lot of it is pride and in spite. They want to prove they can do it their way when everybody said they couldn’t.

 

[TwentyOne]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

They for sure understand the cap.

Like i do or you do or all of us casual cap experts do.

But they are professionals. This is their business. They should know every detail, every nuance like it was their second name.

They should know what kind of (academical) approaches in handling the salary cap there are. What their negatives and positives are. What which approach means long, mid and for the shorter term.

They should have different plans already worked out for different scenarios in case something unforseen happens.

Etc...


And trust me they dont have that and they dont know anything when it come to details.

Heck the guys dont even are able to lay down a plan how to build a roster.


Cap management is a full time job. Especially when you need to be on top of all players salaries. Because they handle contracts too. And the way they spend time for unecessary interviews or talkshows, spend time on their yacht or making deals not football related. Those two wouldnt have the slighhtest idea of what the cap means even if they were both Einsteins. And they are no Einsteins you can believe me that. They only know how to sell to everybody like if they were.

Whatever those two say in interviews those infos are handed to them by an expert (they were briefed). So they look like they have a clue.

To come to an end:

The cap and the name Jones together in one sentence always makes me chuckle.

 

[Hadenough]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

They do understand it. They played that game when Romo was the QB. Just kick that money down the road and keep kicking it and then you end up in cap hell.
Jerry is so cheap that he doesn't want to give these guys a contract a year early and roll some of that money into that year. He wants to keep them on a cheap number and then he has to pay the price by not being able to spread some of that money out. Parsons should have been signed after three seasons Dak should have been let go after that first contract. Where Jerry ends up getting fleeced is these no trade clause in the contract. Jerry also doesn't know how to move up in the draft.He's scared to death to give away draft picks to take a top QB.

 

[Vtwin]

Jerry was a founding father of the cap! Back then I never understood why the owner of one of the biggest draws in pro sports would pursue handicapping his own ability to consistently win by leveling the financial playing field. It's become abundantly clear with each passing year.

They know exactly what they are doing with the cap. They have no clue what they are doing with roster management.

 

[sunalsorises]

The Dallas Cowboys are almost like a cult. They prefer to keep things in house, hiring coaches and paying players that know and understand how the Cowboys operate over bringing in outsiders. I'm not saying they are an actual cult but it is similar to how cults operate. For whatever reason, Jerry and company prefer to deal with people they know and bring in a few here and there they can shape. I don't think it has much to do with cheapness, unless the Joneses are actually at the Michael Jackson level of being in debt--everything is shiny and excellent on the outside but inside there just is no money.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

that's very to the point. they are about profits and increasing value. any business is concerened with two things, spending and revenue....the spending has a built in structure with the cap. they don't care who they spend it on, doesn't matter as long as they are above cap floor. we were 28th in cap spend last year. we are 27th in dead cap, because we keep players regardless of performance to the end of their contracts (with very very few exceptions), we were 14th in cash spend in 24, mostly because of CD and Dak contracts otherwise we were 29th. Detroit top 6 contract were 169M average, cowboys were 167. you can't tell me 7M in difference between Dak's contract and Goff, totally handicapped this team from signing any FAs and detroit signing a bunch. philly had 171M average for their top 6. GB had 155M and Love's contract is only 5M less on average.

these guys are purposely incompetent and they spin stories and blame these large contracts they negotiated as the reason. all in the name of profits and he is winning the profit battle.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’m not so sure Stephen really gets it. He always brings up Branden Carr. A $50 million CB that never missed a game. He earned that money IMO. Was he a star? No. But he was pretty darn good.

if he is blaming carr, then that's bad player evaluation and fit for the team, which is the GM's job to begin with

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry made an average QB the highest paid player in NFL history and you think he's cheap? Jerry is very cheap when it comes to the coaches, but lately, he spends too much on players who haven't come close to earning it.

Whether or not Jerry understands the cap is anyone's guess, but with the excuses they make for not even trying to bring in players like Henry, the signs point to them not having a clue.

yes, he is cheap. we were 14th in cash spend, and that's after Dak's and CD contract.....we had 28th cap spend, meaning closer to the cap floor than cap ceiling. and 27th in dead cap. the cap is a built in structure on how much they spend on player salaries. as long as they are above the floor they are fine and it doesn't matter who gets the money.

he spends on players that have ROI for him. Dak was top 10 in jersey sales and the year before he was top 5. CD was top 6 and top 5. that's return on investment. the guys at the bottom, the UDFAs, etc. don't sell jerseys, so fill the roster with players that will never have ROI and meet minimum spending requirements.

Jerry understands the cap, he just doesn't care to manage it and spend money to make this team better.

on top of that, its his job as a GM to evaluate players and hand out contracts and put the right team together. if he ishanding out large contracts to players who don't come close to earning it, then its on him. not the players.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wrong on this one bud. They all end up spending the same amount of money, and he just paid three players as much money as anybody gets paid so it’s not cheap. They do not have a great understanding of how it operates. If they did, they would do it differently. A lot of it is pride and in spite. They want to prove they can do it their way when everybody said they couldn’t.

they understand how it operates. we were 27th in dead cap money and as one person above said, mostly because of gallup. we don't cut players until end of their contracts so we don't have to pay twice for the same position.
we were 28th in cap spend. barely above cap floor requirements.
we were 14th in cash spent (no FAs), mostly because of Dak and CD contracts which will have more ROI for jerry because both were top 10 in jersey sales.

so they are doing everything to maximize profits and minumum cash spent including into the future and don't waste money on dead cap....who cares, keep a player, until the very end.

 

[InPhiltraitor]

The Jones’ understand the cap in the context of how THEY wish to use it.

Think of the of the cap as a board game with well-defined rules to be followed by all players. The difficulty comes into play, when unlike a board game, there is no end. You can’t get mad and flip the board and start over, there’s no piss breaks, and when one game ends (a season) the next game begins and your starting point is predicated on how you finished the last game! That’s a crappy game to be honest.

So from Jerry’s perspective, and this is where being the COWBOYS owner sways his decision making to the conservative side, he can win (be relevant) just by being competitive. Think about it. Being in a city like Atlanta with a 9-8 record and you’re a “who cares” team, while having the same record in Dallas keeps you front and center on talk radio.

As long as a Jones is playing the game success will be measured by relevance which to them the unit of measure is incoming dollars.

Jerry’s the only guy that could play ten games of Monopoly with three friends, not win one time, yet claim victory at the conclusion of the 10th game due to having the highest cumulative total of money.

 

[Creeper]

It depends on how you define "understand". I think we all know what the CAP is. It is simple math. You have 53 guys and you have to pay them all and fit their contracts under the number the league sets as the CAP. Dallas does that every year just like every other team.

What the Cowboys do not seem to understand is what that means in terms of building a roster. The CAP is just a parameter. Even before the CAP I am sure teams had budgets for players. Rich teams could afford more for player contracts, poor teams less. But they all knew what they were working with. A CAP or a budget, forces teams to do a better job of evaluating talent then paying their talent closest to what they produce on the field. Getting under the CAP is easy. Getting the most talent out of that number is the hard part. Ideally, you want to underpay for talent. Worst case scenario is overpaying talent.

The Cowboys fail in this area. They overpay their own players. They did it with Romo. They did it with Zeke. They did it with Dak twice. I think they did it with CeeDee, and they will probably do it with Micah. I would argue they did it with DLaw and Zack Martin in a way. They did it with Terence Steele. Overpaying 1 player by a couple of million is not going to hurt that much but when you overpay 4 or 5 players it adds up.

Perhaps the Cowboys know this but realize they don't pay free agents so they can overpay their players not needing the CAP space to sign others. Perhaps. But it doesn't sound like it based on Jerry's recent comments about paying Dak $60 million. It sounds like thinks it was good to pay Dak $60 million even though no one thinks Dak is worth that kind of money.

I think what Howie Rosman does better than Dallas is he evaluations talent better and he figures out how to get the most talent under the CAP. It's smart. First look at the talent, then figure out a way to fit it under the CAP.

 

[Aven8]

if he is blaming carr, then that's bad player evaluation and fit for the team, which is the GM's job to begin with

We won that deal. It was between Carr and Cortland Finnegan…

 

[Forneymike]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

Has anyone actually said this or are you just ranting to rant?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I’m not so sure Stephen really gets it. He always brings up Branden Carr. A $50 million CB that never missed a game. He earned that money IMO. Was he a star? No. But he was pretty darn good.

Carr was signed to replace TNew and he didn't. In 5 seasons he only had 7 ints. That's pretty weak. His time as a Cowboy is considered a failure because he didn't impact the game and that is exactly what he was signed for.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

If Jerry was that cheap he would have sent Dak packing and not broke the bank for him

 

[jazzcat22]

They understand it just fine....they are just cheap!!! The lack of Free Agency spending isn't because they are worried about wrecking the team....that is just what they would like you to believe. They HAVE CAP ROOM...they just don't want to spend money. What opened my eyes was FLUSHING AN ENTIRE season down the toilet just because you didn't want to pay your Head Coach to walk. I can 100% GUARANTEE you that they understand the cap just as good as Howie Roseman....they just prefer to spend their money on MARKETING your boys!!!

They are not cheap. They just do not know how to handle the cap and roster building.
It is like paying more for your car (in this case a bus driver), than your house (the team structure).

 

[Cowboys5217]

I’m not so sure Stephen really gets it. He always brings up Branden Carr. A $50 million CB that never missed a game. He earned that money IMO. Was he a star? No. But he was pretty darn good.

Gonna have to disagree with this take. Starting CBs who go two straight years without making a single interception are horrible. That's like trying to claim a DE who goes two straight years without a single QB sack is "pretty darn good". Just, nope.

BTW, Carr had single digit passes defensed in both seasons, so that can't be used as an excuse either.

 

[Mannix]

Don’t back off your original post
They totally understand it they just don’t want to spend money
It isn’t complicated at all for people that have built a billion dollar business

Ok...others had me wondering....I'm 100% back to thinking that they know EXACTLY what they are doing. Thank you for setting me straight!!!

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

They know exactly what they are doing with the cap. They have no clue what they are doing with roster management.

too proud to admit mistakes, he rides his losers into the ground, sacrificing potential winners.
He wants to win and he wants the world to see it was his genius that made it happen.
Problem is, he' not a football genius. He's football stupid.

Money doesn't drive him, but he desperately wants the recognition of football genius.