We are disrespecting Romo and Ware

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These guys are well into their primes, with only a few years left. We are wasting their talent.

As others have said, I feel we really should break the bank for an Elite Pass Rusher...possibly Mario.

Romo comes out on the field, does what he does. Most of the times brings us back in the final moments, only to have him sit there on the bench and watch this D fold. Ware Double teamed....then you got Rat, Spencer, Hatcher ect...sitting there with their with 1 on 1's and cant do jack ****.

Ware comes out there breaking his neck and back...Literally breaking his neck, catching stingers, back spasms ect... trying to get to the QB with a double team.

I know you can't have superstars at every position, but you could have superstars at the right positions. Eli, has a nice Line, Superstar WR's, and Good combo of RB's. Romo has the same, maybe 1 O-linemen away, but still good enough. Even Eli at times gets pressured, and causes a 3 and out. Ok cool, it happens, at least he knows he can sit back kick his feet up, and know his D will get him the ball back.

Romo can't say that. As good as our O is, they will have an off day(see Greenbay) and will need a D to bail them out. So all this complaining about O-Line, we maybe only need 1. Romo does good just like any other QB will get forced to a 3 and out. We don't have the D to back us up.

We need to break the bank on an Elite Pass Rusher.....Then Draft a Corner like Janoris.

1) no matter where we draft him, he will come cheap, because he has a point to prove

2)He's a cowboys fan

3) Just a great talent. and with a legitimate pass rush, it wont matter who you get, we can look good(so why not get an elite cover guy, to go along with a great pass rush)

I feel this off season, should be dedicated to the D....get 2 or 3 D backs, the rest Front 7...Pass rushers, and a DT

We have to help out Ware and Romo, time is almost up....Mostly Ware. Romo has the help on O, but D lets him down.
 
Last off-season was a disgrace. And I agree, a real disrespect to the players on this team that deserve better. I miss the Jerry that would "do anything to win." I can handle shooting for the moon and missing, but I can't handle not even trying.
 
Frozen700;4414789 said:
These guys are well into their primes, with only a few years left. We are wasting their talent.

As others have said, I feel we really should break the bank for an Elite Pass Rusher...possibly Mario.

Romo comes out on the field, does what he does. Most of the times brings us back in the final moments, only to have him sit there on the bench and watch this D fold. Ware Double teamed....then you got Rat, Spencer, Hatcher ect...sitting there with their with 1 on 1's and cant do jack ****.

Ware comes out there breaking his neck and back...Literally breaking his neck, catching stingers, back spasms ect... trying to get to the QB with a double team.

I know you can't have superstars at every position, but you could have superstars at the right positions. Eli, has a nice Line, Superstar WR's, and Good combo of RB's. Romo has the same, maybe 1 O-linemen away, but still good enough. Even Eli at times gets pressured, and causes a 3 and out. Ok cool, it happens, at least he knows he can sit back kick his feet up, and know his D will get him the ball back.

Romo can't say that. As good as our O is, they will have an off day(see Greenbay) and will need a D to bail them out. So all this complaining about O-Line, we maybe only need 1. Romo does good just like any other QB will get forced to a 3 and out. We don't have the D to back us up.

We need to break the bank on an Elite Pass Rusher.....Then Draft a Corner like Janoris.

1) no matter where we draft him, he will come cheap, because he has a point to prove

2)He's a cowboys fan

3) Just a great talent. and with a legitimate pass rush, it wont matter who you get, we can look good(so why not get an elite cover guy, to go along with a great pass rush)

I feel this off season, should be dedicated to the D....get 2 or 3 D backs, the rest Front 7...Pass rushers, and a DT

We have to help out Ware and Romo, time is almost up....Mostly Ware. Romo has the help on O, but D lets him down.

we have to have much better play from at least two positions on the O line. MUCH better. If we cann do it with either Decastro or Nicks then so be it; and a replacement for Costa. That would greatly improve the O line and preserve Romo.

I agree we need a Pass Rusher to make the O's respect someone else then Ware, which right now they don't. A greatly improved Pass rush improves a secondary quite a lot. If we can get one very good CB then with a better pass rush we can preserve those leads we blew in the last couple of years.


I agree we are wasting their careers; just like with Witten.

Those LOST years with Wade just so that Jerruh could feel COMFORTABLE we will never get back. If we had gotten a REAL coach after BP left, one who could have made Jerruh listen, then we might have at least one ring now and maybe two.


So frankly I could take a couple of years in Salary Cap hell if we could just get ONE ring.

And with the TV money increasing greatly the chances of Cap Hell are much reduced.
 
theogt;4414794 said:
Last off-season was a disgrace. And I agree, a real disrespect to the players on this team that deserve better. I miss the Jerry that would "do anything to win." I can handle shooting for the moon and missing, but I can't handle not even trying.

Same here brother......same here

I really hope they GO IN! This Year, just try, not get hurt by the media words "oh he's a foolish owner, who just spends"

I really hope they don't feel we can just pick a regular decent Corner, and LB, and think everything will be handy dandy
 
theogt;4414794 said:
Last off-season was a disgrace. And I agree, a real disrespect to the players on this team that deserve better. I miss the Jerry that would "do anything to win." I can handle shooting for the moon and missing, but I can't handle not even trying.

I think JJ will do quite a bit more this year with the money under the cap.

And a lot of that dead cap money should be gone by 2013 regardless. But from what I'm reading, the franchise is in good enough shape this off-season to add a few quality FAs.
 
burmafrd;4414795 said:
we have to have much better play from at least two positions on the O line. MUCH better. If we cann do it with either Decastro or Nicks then so be it; and a replacement for Costa. That would greatly improve the O line and preserve Romo.

I agree we need a Pass Rusher to make the O's respect someone else then Ware, which right now they don't. A greatly improved Pass rush improves a secondary quite a lot. If we can get one very good CB then with a better pass rush we can preserve those leads we blew in the last couple of years.


I agree we are wasting their careers; just like with Witten.

Those LOST years with Wade just so that Jerruh could feel COMFORTABLE we will never get back. If we had gotten a REAL coach after BP left, one who could have made Jerruh listen, then we might have at least one ring now and maybe two.


So frankly I could take a couple of years in Salary Cap hell if we could just get ONE ring.

And with the TV money increasing greatly the chances of Cap Hell are much reduced.


I agree i would sell out, and break the bank this year if i was Jerry, just to get 1 ring. Even if it means going through misery for a year or 2.

Ware, Romo and Witten do deserve at least 1 ring.
 
The one hope I have held onto is this:

Every HOF player the cowboys have had and will have (Allen, Lilly, Wright, triplets, Roger, etc) so far have gotten at least ONE ring.

Ware will get to the HOF no doubt and Witten has a good shot. So I just hope our record continues.
 
burmafrd;4414801 said:
The one hope I have held onto is this:

Every HOF player the cowboys have had and will have (Allen, Lilly, Wright, triplets, Roger, etc) so far have gotten at least ONE ring.

Ware will get to the HOF no doubt and Witten has a good shot. So I just hope our record continues.

:bow:

Same here brother
 
This board is like a yoyo.

I'm happy with an offseason of three sensible FA signings, reupping a few of our own players, and another really good draft. I much prefer to build the way the Packers do to paying a premium for another team's stars who, for whatever reason, they don't re-sign.
 
Woods;4414797 said:
I think JJ will do quite a bit more this year with the money under the cap.

And a lot of that dead cap money should be gone by 2013 regardless. But from what I'm reading, the franchise is in good enough shape this off-season to add a few quality FAs.
I'll believe it when I see it. Jerry has already given his 'oline and D are great' speech so I'm bracing for another another no-offseason of relevance for us.
 
Idgit;4414804 said:
This board is like a yoyo.

I'm happy with an offseason of three sensible FA signings, reupping a few of our own players, and another really good draft. I much prefer to build the way the Packers do to paying a premium for another team's stars who, for whatever reason, they don't re-sign.

Jerruh does not have the patience.

And to give the Devil his due, I think part of the impatience is that he realizes that Romo and Ware only have a few years left of top production. And finding replacements for either or both could take even more years.

The Pack was very lucky. Rodgers could have been a bust. Not many teams are able to go right from one HOF QB to another. SF is about the only one I can think of. Miami had to wait a few years from Griese to Marino; and look what has happened since he left there. Colts MIGHT be Lucky with Luck. Look at our years after Aikman.

Great D players like Ware do not come along that often anyway. Frankly not counting Deion after Manster retired it was 20 years almost until we got Ware.
 
No breaking the bank for anyone.

Mario Williams will not help this defense.

The reason the 3-4 works is because it keeps the Offense guessing as to which OLB is going to rush.

Ware is not going to drop into coverage. He's the pass rusher. Spencer thus received the coverage assignments.

Guess what? The opposing Offense is not guessing. They know who's pass rushing and who's dropping into coverage. It's a no brainer. That's why opposing teams treat us like a 4-3.

So if we bring Mario Williams aboard at $20 mil a year. Is he going to help our pass rush? That means Ware drops into coverage.

When Ware pass rushes, that means Williams drops into coverage. Are you kidding me? $20 mil to cover RB's and TE's???

It's not a good fit guys. We need a versatile OLB who can be both a pass rusher and a coverage guy.

We need someone who can help keep the opposing O guessing as to who's going to rush and who's going to drop into coverage. Williams is going to be a serious liability in pass coverage.

Ware dropping back is a waste of his ability as well.

I definitely agree that we need to improve the pass rush ... but not Mario Williams, and not his $20 mil a year price tag.
 
Who's we?

We the fans, or them, the organization?

I agree that some fans disrespect them - right or wrong (mostly wrong in my opinion).

But in no way do I think the organization disrespects Romo and Ware, or Witten, or Austin, or any other player for that matter.

On the contrary, I think this organization has a plan and is doing everything to execute it as best they can to win for everybody involved.

In the end, the plan may work, but it may fail. And if it does not work out, then let's please NOT misinterpret that as intentional and/or a lack of player respect.
 
AMERICAS_FAN;4414846 said:
On the contrary, I think this organization has a plan and is doing everything to execute it as best they can to win for everybody involved.

In the end, the plan may work, but it may fail. And if it does not work out, then let's please NOT misinterpret that as intentional and/or a lack of player respect.

I disagree. The organization does NOT have a plan ... not even close.

Jerry goes by whatever knee jerk reaction or color of the day.

The Giants have a plan. The Patriots have a plan.

We do what Jerry feels like at that very moment.

That's why we've been where we've been for the past 16 years.
 
Eddie;4414838 said:
No breaking the bank for anyone.

Mario Williams will not help this defense.

The reason the 3-4 works is because it keeps the Offense guessing as to which OLB is going to rush.

Ware is not going to drop into coverage. He's the pass rusher. Spencer thus received the coverage assignments.

Guess what? The opposing Offense is not guessing. They know who's pass rushing and who's dropping into coverage. It's a no brainer. That's why opposing teams treat us like a 4-3.

So if we bring Mario Williams aboard at $20 mil a year. Is he going to help our pass rush? That means Ware drops into coverage.

When Ware pass rushes, that means Williams drops into coverage. Are you kidding me? $20 mil to cover RB's and TE's???

It's not a good fit guys. We need a versatile OLB who can be both a pass rusher and a coverage guy.

We need someone who can help keep the opposing O guessing as to who's going to rush and who's going to drop into coverage. Williams is going to be a serious liability in pass coverage.

Ware dropping back is a waste of his ability as well.

I definitely agree that we need to improve the pass rush ... but not Mario Williams, and not his $20 mil a year price tag.

got news for you. Spencer only spent 71 more plays in 16 games not rushing the passer then Ware did. Coverage and run support is no longer all that important.

I guess you also missed the two Championships won by the Giants PRIMARILY because of a dominating pass rush.
 
the giants didn't break the bank to get those surrounding pieces around eli. they pretty much did it all thru the draft. i can't even remember the last big time free agent they signed...rolle maybe?

plus whose to say breaking the bank would guarantee us a championship? how has that worked for the eagles or skins? the only thing breaking the bank would guarantee us is financial stress in the near future. i'll pass..

the cowboys (specifically Garrett b/c he's one of the few i trust in this organization) needs to do what it takes to make us a better drafting franchise. if takes clearing out the scouting dept or changing the way we scout players, so be it. that will be the best way to rebuild this team with youth without becoming slaves to salary cap.
 
Eddie;4414849 said:
I disagree. The organization does NOT have a plan ... not even close.

Jerry goes by whatever knee jerk reaction or color of the day.

The Giants have a plan. The Patriots have a plan.

We do what Jerry feels like at that very moment.

That's why we've been where we've been for the past 16 years.
Yeah, I'm sure Jerry, Stephen and Jason are just sitting in their offices wingin' it day to day with no plans.

You can disagree with what they're doing without saying something stupid.
 
Won't be long before we see exactly what Jerry's plan is. Admit it would be wnderful if we could draft well enough so that so we could add at least 2 to 3 significant starters. But we'd be much further along, if we signed at least 1 quality starter on either side of the ball. Don't mean to put us in cap hell, but those cheap FA players we signed (except for Robison who Norv Turner told us about) didn't earn their pay.

Heck I used to be able to name every single player on this team; now I can't even name the starters, but then on defens not many are worth remembering. Also get confused on whose starting in the 3 interior OL positions as well.

Most of us think we must add at least 4 defensive starters & probably at least 2 OL interior starters along with a backup QB to win another SB. No way that happens unless we get seriously involved in FA this year. Not saying I want us to follow Snyder or Philly examples as we don't have enough cap space to spend big time.

Just think signing one of the better FA OG & perhps improving C position as well goes a long wells to enabling Romo to do his thing w/o getting killed. Really worried what happens to the Cowboys once Ware & Romo are gone. We haven't been successful in drafting an OLB to play opposite Ware who can bring the pressure & what are our chances of replacing Romo. Afraid we will end up going by to the parade of QBs we saw after Aikman was one and before Romo took over.
 
AMERICAS_FAN;4414846 said:
Who's we?

We the fans, or them, the organization?

I agree that some fans disrespect them - right or wrong (mostly wrong in my opinion).

But in no way do I think the organization disrespects Romo and Ware, or Witten, or Austin, or any other player for that matter.

On the contrary, I think this organization has a plan and is doing everything to execute it as best they can to win for everybody involved.

In the end, the plan may work, but it may fail. And if it does not work out, then let's please NOT misinterpret that as intentional and/or a lack of player respect.

We are disrespecting them in a way, because the team will not get the help they do, or haven't tried hard enough.

We went after Ware, saw how much trouble he causes for teams, and instead of going for the knock out punch, we just sat on our hands thinking he could do it all.
 
Frozen700;4414789 said:
We have to help out Ware and Romo, time is almost up....Mostly Ware. Romo has the help on O, but D lets him down.
It's not just the defense. Romo had very little help from his running backs (mostly an OL issue). The Cowboys were only the 9th team since 2000 with less than 5 touchdowns from its backs. With such a lack of support, the team passer rating of 100.1 was a miracle, no other way to describe it.

Passer Rating of teams w/
less than 5 RB touchdowns

100.1 2011 Cowboys 8-8
81.0 2005 Cardinals 8-8
68.9 2003 Cardinals 4-12
72.8 2011 Browns 4-12
75.5 2005 Browns 6-10
69.8 2006 Browns 4-12
67.0 2000 Bears 5-11
64.0 2009 Rams 1-15
64.7 2002 Texans 4-12
68.0 2008 Bengals 4-11-1
 

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