We can win without Romo

Toruk_Makto said:
Look I'm as excited about Dak as the beat of em. But he has one passing touchdown in 3 weeks against bad competition. This is proof positive that the kid still has his training wheels on. And rightfully so mind you.

But taking him out of the lineup for one of the very best qbs in the league is actually a very easy decision to make.
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Maybe so but there have been plenty of times the WR or TE is hit and brought down shy of the goal line and Dallas ends up running the ball in. The TD passing stat is great and I do expect to see Dak get a fair share of TD passes thrown but in the end if a drive ends in a TD it really does not matter to me if it is ran in by the RB or Dak himself or thrown they all count the same.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Look I'm as excited about Dak as the beat of em. But he has one passing touchdown in 3 weeks against bad competition. This is proof positive that the kid still has his training wheels on. And rightfully so mind you.

But taking him out of the lineup for one of the very best qbs in the league is actually a very easy decision to make.
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TD passes misleading stat to argue at this time. He had two passes which were stopped at the one yard line along with two dropped TD's in NY game.
 
Doomsday101 said:
Maybe so but there have been plenty of times the WR or TE is hit and brought down shy of the goal line and Dallas ends up running the ball in. The TD passing stat is great and I do expect to see Dak get a fair share of TD passes thrown but in the end if a drive ends in a TD it really does not matter to me if it is ran in by the RB or Dak himself or thrown they all count the same.
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Exactly .

Note: the Cowboys already have 7 rushing TD's and only had 8 all last season .
 
Who didn't have this team going 3-1 at worst?

This is what the Cowboys do.

Our offense won't get tested again until we play the Bengals. Dallas will win the games we're supposed to.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Look I'm as excited about Dak as the beat of em. But he has one passing touchdown in 3 weeks against bad competition. This is proof positive that the kid still has his training wheels on. And rightfully so mind you.

But taking him out of the lineup for one of the very best qbs in the league is actually a very easy decision to make.
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Aikman didn't throw a lot of TD passes either. Always seemed to have his receiver tackled at the 1 or 2 where Emmitt punched it on.

We are averaging 385 yds per game. That is 7th in the league. Passing yds per game is 16th. Passes per game is 16th. We are 6th in rushing yds and attempts. We are 11th in scoring.

I don't think it matters how we score. It's that we score. We have 8 tds in three games. That is the same as the Steelers who are considered one of the better offenses in the league. One behind the Saints and the Packers.

I don't think it is nearly as easy as you think, especially when we have no idea how close Romo will ever be to his 2014 vintage.
 
Diehardblues said:
Exactly .

Note: the Cowboys already have 7 rushing TD's and only had 8 all last season .
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Heck I recall the season Emmitt had 25 rushing TD and Irvin made the comment that he would make the catch down by the goal line and Emmitt would take it in for the TD. Bottom line it ended up being a TD and it helped the team win. Personal stats are all well and good and I want to see our guys put up big numbers like anyone else but at the end of the day was the offense able to put the ball into the endzone, pass or run I don't care since they both count as 6 points.

I'm not going to dismiss the theory that Dak may be trying to be safe down in the redzone and why not those windows become very tight in the endzone and turnovers down their are killers. Get the ball in the endzone any possible way
 
aikemirv said:
I am all for Romo being put back in when he is ready but I do think that Dak's lack of TDs is more to do with chance than training wheels. Cole Beasley drops an easy TD, is 1/2 yard short on another and Dez drops one as well. Witten comes up 1/2 yard short as well.
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Excellent point. In all 3 games, he has played well enough to win and done more than his part.

Wentz has been impressive but he has a defense to help him out. The Eagles are #1 in scoring D after 3 games. 9 a game, what could we do with that? DEN also has a young QB showing up nicely and a #1 D. How would Dak be performing with DEN or PHL? Hell, how would Romo perform? We've never seen him with a D like those teams have.

When a QB has to overcome the shortcomings of his team, as Brees did last night and failed and Romo has had to do far too often, gets too easy where to place the blame. It is still the ultimate team sport.
 
CouchCoach said:
Excellent point. In all 3 games, he has played well enough to win and done more than his part.

Wentz has been impressive but he has a defense to help him out. The Eagles are #1 in scoring D after 3 games. 9 a game, what could we do with that? DEN also has a young QB showing up nicely and a #1 D. How would Dak be performing with DEN or PHL? Hell, how would Romo perform? We've never seen him with a D like those teams have.

When a QB has to overcome the shortcomings of his team, as Brees did last night and failed and Romo has had to do far too often, gets too easy where to place the blame. It is still the ultimate team sport.
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I agree I think it is much easier for a QB to avoid pressing or forcing things when you know you have a defense who is going to get you the ball right back. This is not to take away from the job that Wentz and Siemian have done but seeing how well both of those defenses have been playing has been a big help for those 2 young QB
 
Prescott was just as impressive playing in person to me as he has been while I've watched him on television during preseason. In my opinion he has a solid lock opportunity to be the franchise quarterback of the future. That said, the odds greatly favor Romo returning as the starter this season. That doesn't mean Romo couldn't return his first game back, get hit, and sit out the rest of the season or worse. It's football. Additionally, Romo could finish the season relatively healthy. Whatever happens shall happen but only when it does happen and everyone will bear witness--willingly or unwillingly. Hopefully, the Romo angst will be placed within its proper context eventually (fingers crossed).
 
Fla Cowpoke said:
Aikman didn't throw a lot of TD passes either. Always seemed to have his receiver tackled at the 1 or 2 where Emmitt punched it on.

We are averaging 385 yds per game. That is 7th in the league. Passing yds per game is 16th. Passes per game is 16th. We are 6th in rushing yds and attempts. We are 11th in scoring.

I don't think it matters how we score. It's that we score. We have 8 tds in three games. That is the same as the Steelers who are considered one of the better offenses in the league. One behind the Saints and the Packers.

I don't think it is nearly as easy as you think, especially when we have no idea how close Romo will ever be to his 2014 vintage.
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Let's ignore the fact that we're talking about small sample sizes for a second... The steelers have stunk the joint up the last couple weeks and Rodgers just had a ton of articles written about what's happened to him and the Packers offense. Should we really be using them as a barometer?

Furthermore if you don't believe Dak has been worse in the Redzone verses his excellent work between the 20s....you haven't been paying attention.

And this ignores the fact that we should be awesome on offense given the resources we've spent at the position. Not just above average.

Romo is a better qb than Dak is. The offense would be better with him. This isn't an insult.
 
Diehardblues said:
TD passes misleading stat to argue at this time. He had two passes which were stopped at the one yard line along with two dropped TD's in NY game.
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Yes I'm sure he's the only qb in the league to have guys stopped at the 1 or have tds dropped in the endzone.

Silly argument.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Yes I'm sure he's the only qb in the league to have guys stopped at the 1 or have tds dropped in the endzone.

Silly argument.
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The silly argument is that a passing TD is any more beneficial than a rushing one. Bottom line it is about scoring. Doesn't matter how you get in the end zone. And for reference, Dallas has had a red zone bugaboo for a while.

Dallas has converted 67% of their red zone possessions into TD's this year, which is 10th in the league. In 2014 it was 64% and that was good for second in the league. We are also averaging more red zone scoring chances than in 2014.

I agree at his best, Romo is clearly a better QB than the rookie Prescott. Romo has played in a handful of games over the past two years. Hard to know where he is as a QB right now.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
And this ignores the fact that we should be awesome on offense given the resources we've spent at the position. Not just above average.
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We had a healthy Murray, best RB in the league that year, and a healthy Dez and Romo for the entire year....and yet Dak is doing better than they did in the red zone. Imagine that.
 
Fla Cowpoke said:
We had a healthy Murray, best RB in the league that year, and a healthy Dez and Romo for the entire year....and yet Dak is doing better than they did in the red zone. Imagine that.
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We were 5th in the league in scoring in 2014. We are 11th now. And have had a cakewalk start to the year in regards to opposition.
 
Fla Cowpoke said:
The silly argument is that a passing TD is any more beneficial than a rushing one. Bottom line it is about scoring. Doesn't matter how you get in the end zone. And for reference, Dallas has had a red zone bugaboo for a while.

Dallas has converted 67% of their red zone possessions into TD's this year, which is 10th in the league. In 2014 it was 64% and that was good for second in the league. We are also averaging more red zone scoring chances than in 2014.

I agree at his best, Romo is clearly a better QB than the rookie Prescott. Romo has played in a handful of games over the past two years. Hard to know where he is as a QB right now.
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Passing differential is correlated to winning. Rushing differential is not.

The man has one passing touchdown in 3 games. I'm. Happy to be 2-1 but trying to spin 1 td in 3 games as anything but worrisome is foolhardy.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Passing differential is correlated to winning. Rushing differential is not.

The man has one passing touchdown in 3 games. I'm. Happy to be 2-1 but trying to spin 1 td in 3 games as anything but worrisome is foolhardy.
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But it isn't one TD....all the TD's count. He is producing TD's, just not passing ones.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Look I'm as excited about Dak as the beat of em. But he has one passing touchdown in 3 weeks against bad competition. This is proof positive that the kid still has his training wheels on. And rightfully so mind you.

But taking him out of the lineup for one of the very best qbs in the league is actually a very easy decision to make.
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Bringing up one passing touchdown is misleading when we've been running them in. Cole Beasley got stopped at the one yard line. Since when are divisional games 'bad competition'? Romo barely beat the Giants in the opener last year and they have a vastly improved defense this year.
 
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