We Could Have Gotten Him

[reddyuta]

He is a bob sanders type safety with the bob sanders stature. No thanks too small to play an enforcer safety that will be out of the league in 5 years due to injuries.

Earl thomas is the same height and he is doing fine, i think Elam will be a a great safety in the NFL.

 

[jrumann59]

Bob Sander is 5-8 200 and Wilcox is 6-0 213. Not hardly the same.

I was talking about Elam. Since this thread is about elam.

In baltimore Huff is slotted to play the FS so Elam will most likely play the SS. He will be the enforcer safety which is what his play-style is conducive to and I think he should be a FS because he likes to stick his nose into run support and I do not think his body will hold up at the NFL if he is the run supporter safety.

 

[jrumann59]

Earl thomas is the same height and he is doing fine, i think Elam will be a a great safety in the NFL.

Thomas plays FS in Baltimore Huff will be playing FS that leaves SS for Elam.

 

[speedkilz88]

The problem is Elam is stiff in coverage so he's not going to be able to hang with WRs and TEs are going to give the smaller safeties trouble no matter what. That's quite a liability in coverage there.

Earl Thomas does have the cover abilities to cover WRs.

 

[jobberone]

He was talking about Elam I think...who is 5 10.

My bad. A little closer.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

:laugh2:
Man. I was actually thinking of you when you we were on the clock at 31, because you are such an Elam fan. No kidding.

You should go to the thread that shows how you would have drafted if you want to stake your claim on Elam. Then you can look back on it later.

The cowboys didn't even have Elam on their draft board . He wasn't even a consideration . We needed to help protect romo made the right choice .

 

[visionary]

I'd rather have Frederick than Elam.

Agree with this

 

[Seven]

I give up!!the "could've should've guys" have worn me out and ground me down....you all are right, the Cowboys draft sucked. Give it an F

We should ve drafted Reid...ok go back to all the posts hating a potential Vaccaro pick and haul them out. "how could we draft a safety ranked as a late first to early second rounder when we had so many needs on the OLine?"
How about Elam with the 18th pick..imagine the horror

Fine lets stick where we were an pick the player that would appease most fans...Shariff Floyd. Hang on here it comes.."whats wrong with him?, how come mock drafts had him going 3rd overall but he falls to 18? How could we spend a first rounder on a run stuffing defensive tackle that cant sack the qb?"

Take Justin Pugh at 18? the Giants who are much better at drafting took him at 19? "so all of the top rated offensive linemen are gone and we have to settle for Pugh..who probably can only play guard...talk about drafting for need instead of BPA!"

tongue in firmly in cheek...the Cowboys could have traded the 18th, thrown in a 6th round pick and some coupons for free coffee at McDonalds, to Jacksonville for the 2nd overall, taken Luke Joekel and people would have complained that we threw in the coupons

cant win

Did you REALLY expect thousands and thousands of free thinking human beings to give a collective "hip-hip-hooray" on a single event with multiple outcomes?

Moses was good but not THAT good.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There were only two high pick safeties they liked from what I've seen. Vacarro and Reid. I liked Cyprien myself a whole lot more than Elam. Elam will need to play SS. He's limited as far as coverage.

This is probably accurate. There is no question in my mind that Vaccaro was the player they wanted at 18. Once he was gone, the Cowboys actively started to try and trade down. Reid, who knows? The Cowboys could have had Reid but they elected to trade down instead. I think they would have taken him if he had been there at 31 but you new there was no chance of that.

 

[speedkilz88]

This is probably accurate. There is no question in my mind that Vaccaro was the player they wanted at 18. Once he was gone, the Cowboys actively started to try and trade down. Reid, who knows? The Cowboys could have had Reid but they elected to trade down instead. I think they would have taken him if he had been there at 31 but you new there was no chance of that.

Reid was supposedly one of those guys that had 2nd round grade but was in the top 32. And reports from Broaddus has always been that they like him. They also appeared miffed that the 49ers took him, it's rumored that the 49ers lied to them on who they were taking when they made the trade.

 

[Muhast]

I think Wilcox is better. There was a quote by an NFL scout that said he had Wilcox ranked as the #2 Safety in this draft.

The entire NFL network crew loved Wilcox at the Senior Bowl practices and game.

Mike Mayock who is one of the few draft media guys that minimizes the hyperbole, said that Wilcox is an instant starter. That is more impressive considering that Wilcox only played defense for 1 year.

If you watch Wilcox in the Senior Bowl practices, he covers WRs in the drills better than some CBs yet he is a big, thick, 213 lb Safety.

To me, he looked better in coverage than BW Webb did at the senior bowl. And I like Webb.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Reid was supposedly one of those guys that had 2nd round grade but was in the top 32. And reports from Broaddus has always been that they like him. They also appeared miffed that the 49ers took him, it's rumored that the 49ers lied to them on who they were taking when they made the trade.

I have heard that also but the reality, at least in my mind, is that Reid was not going to make it to 31. If the Cowboys had him at 18 and elected to trade down to 31, that makes me question just how much they really wanted him. The 49ers may have been less then honest in who they were taking but, we had to know that the chances of him falling were at best, even and more likely none at all.

 

[Fredd]

Not a big Reid guy....I like Cyrpien as well as any of the Safeties

I am very happy with Frederick @ #31 over Reid...

 

[Yuma Cactus]

He is a bob sanders type safety with the bob sanders stature. No thanks too small to play an enforcer safety that will be out of the league in 5 years due to injuries.

Say what you will about Bob, but I'd take 5 years of what he brought.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Thomas plays FS in Baltimore Huff will be playing FS that leaves SS for Elam.

There really aren't definded FS's and SS's anymore in the NFL. You just have interchangable safeties now, both of whom do some covering and some run stopping.

 

[TheCount]

I think Wilcox is better. There was a quote by an NFL scout that said he had Wilcox ranked as the #2 Safety in this draft.

The entire NFL network crew loved Wilcox at the Senior Bowl practices and game.

Mike Mayock who is one of the few draft media guys that minimizes the hyperbole, said that Wilcox is an instant starter. That is more impressive considering that Wilcox only played defense for 1 year.

If you watch Wilcox in the Senior Bowl practices, he covers WRs in the drills better than some CBs yet he is a big, thick, 213 lb Safety.

Mayock did NOT say that. He said that "ultimately, he's a starting safety". Meaning that at some point, he will start, not that he starts Day 1.

When it comes to DB's, I take Mayock's word as gospel. He's right way more often than he's wrong.