We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[Dre11]

can't say you aren't opinionated. lest we forget, the gm also plays a large role in a hc's success. to date, jerry's gm'ing has been a virtual blueprint for hc'ing failure. mcvay, shanahan, and Pederson all have better gm's. ergo, they will be more successful than garrett, not only for that reason, but the fact they're just better coaches.

You're absolutely insane, you're using 1 season. You had a coach do more with two rookies than any of them did, while also being COY yet you're already calling them better.....lol talk about an opinionated agenda

 

[Miller]

It is not fear.

It is because they have invested a lot of time into training him. Jones has essentially come right out and admitted that.

Agree but it was more geared toward OP saying something to the effect that why change and rarely changes W-L. To me that’s just scared to change

 

[khiladi]

They did bring in Reeves. For a weekend. Something bad happened, and he left very suddenly. It was kept hushhush.

Garrett cried..

Jerry made a time card excuse. There was nothing preventing this team fdom getting another experienced coach to assist as a consultant for Garrett back then, but they never proceeded too. Even when Jerry made Callahan the play-caller Red Ginger started interfering per Jerry’s own words.

The fact that it took a few years for Jerry to finally surround Garrett with experienced coordinators prove that Wade was right all along.

 

[khiladi]

I literally cannot stand Garrett for all the incompetence he brought to this franchise while ruining the prime years of so many great players and Jerry doing everything to try and shelter him.

It makes me nauseous thinking that all of it really goes back to Father Garrett most probably weasling his way into trust of Jones himself and we’ve not only had to deal with Jason Garrett in this organization, but two other brother Garrett’s, one who is currently Director of Pro Scouting. Can you name one single guy as a Pro that stood out that we brought here with this other Garrett? We had to deal with Kevin Ogletree as a WR because of the other Garrett brother.

 

[kskboys]

Nice to see some new guys that definitely get it. I completely agree.

I was in complete support of this franchise, until the 09 draft happened. That is what turned me, made me realize that something was foul in the state of Denmark. That draft made no sense whatsoever.

And then, after our OL fell completely apart in the 09 playoff game vs the Vikes w/ guys simply getting old, we thought we could fix the problem w/ Sam Young in the 6th? A guy w/ poor balance and lack of strength? And we tried to replace those guys w/ late rounders, UFA's, and cheap FA's. None of it made any sense.

Playing Rats out of position at NT, not understanding the value of a FS, not understanding needing a deep DLine rotation to win playoff games. And the Roy Williams debacle. Basically, one of Romo's throws that he always had a little trouble w/ was the slant. Threw behind the WR for some reason. And what type of WR was old Roy? A slant runner. Sending Miles deep a lot after he'd established himself as one of the best YAC WR's the game has ever seen. Giving Barber a huge contract when facing one of the deepest RB drafts ever seen, and then settling on a complimentary type back in the 1st round. Dumping a serviceable TE for a 4th and then spending a 2nd on another.

Just poor/odd decision after poor/odd decision.

 

[Kevinicus]

I don’t get the Gruden love beyond the fact that he seems like a cool dude. 9 years in a booth is a lot to overcome. And his deal is redonkulous.

Right now, the knock on Garrett is the playoff record. That’s progress from what the knock has been historically, but it’s still a knock. It comes down to whether or not you think we’re losing games because of coaching. Many seem to believe that.

Personally, I put it on the fact we’ve been unable to field a quality defense going back almost ten seasons now. Some of that’s on Garrett. A lot of it I put on the Joneses. Either way, it needs to be fixed and ought to be priority one this offseason. But it might not be.

The D was better than the offense this year, particularly down the stretch which I think is more indicative of what this team will be with the current makeup.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I was in complete support of this franchise, until the 09 draft happened. That is what turned me, made me realize that something was foul in the state of Denmark. That draft made no sense whatsoever.

And then, after our OL fell completely apart in the 09 playoff game vs the Vikes w/ guys simply getting old, we thought we could fix the problem w/ Sam Young in the 6th? A guy w/ poor balance and lack of strength? And we tried to replace those guys w/ late rounders, UFA's, and cheap FA's. None of it made any sense.

Playing Rats out of position at NT, not understanding the value of a FS, not understanding needing a deep DLine rotation to win playoff games. And the Roy Williams debacle. Basically, one of Romo's throws that he always had a little trouble w/ was the slant. Threw behind the WR for some reason. And what type of WR was old Roy? A slant runner. Sending Miles deep a lot after he'd established himself as one of the best YAC WR's the game has ever seen. Giving Barber a huge contract when facing one of the deepest RB drafts ever seen, and then settling on a complimentary type back in the 1st round. Dumping a serviceable TE for a 4th and then spending a 2nd on another.

Just poor/odd decision after poor/odd decision.

They lost me when they passed on Randy Moss.

 

[kskboys]

They lost me when they passed on Randy Moss.

At least they got a good player in Ellis. We passed up some D studs to take Escobust.

 

[khiladi]

The. funniest thing about Garrett homers is them blaming the defense always for his failures and more scapegoating.

Ironically, we got Stephen Jones saying this year that the offense was at fault for all the TOs they had, putting too much pressure on the defense.

But the Garrett homers never seemed to say it was Garrett’s fault when he was in control of the offense and kept turning the ball over to the opposing team. The year Wade was fired, in 8 games the offense already turned the ball over 19 TIMES. The Commanders loss could directly be attributed to one of Garrett’s most comically inept playcalls in history, when Choice fumbled on the last play of the half on a checkdown with over 60 yards to go.

When Garrett fired Rob Ryan he basically said that his ability to not generate TOs didn’t give his offense extra chances to score, yet per that same logic, Garrett’s offense per his homers was never to blame for the opposing offense getting more chances off his own turnovers.

This year Dak was a TO machine and set records in futility for pick 6s.

These same Garrett homers in other contexts will rightly blame TO disparity for us losing, but turn a blind eye to it, when defending Garrett’s TO prone offenses that couldn’t field an effective running game worth a grain of salt, so his offenses couldn’t control TOP tiring the defenses out and he turned the ball over, giving the opposing team good field position and wearing the defense out to eventually implode in the 4th quarter.

 

[Zman5]

This is crazy. You wanted to change the offense after a 13-3 season? Why? Tweak it yes, but over haul the offense completely? Easier to say now obviously.

Because other teams will figure you out to a certain extent. If it's true that Romo ran the offense , you need to do more than tweak it since he's no longer here to over see it.

It's easier to say now because it would have been obvious for anyone with a half a brain. This applies anywhere not just football. If you were successful mainly due to one guy's work, you are not going to be as successful without that guy by doing the same things as though that guy is still around.

 

[Doomsay]

OP seems like a company man provocateur.

 

[khiladi]

THe reality is Linehan did a great job of tweaking the offense for Dak in 2016, including plenty of spread and shotgun and play-action (doubled usage in Romo’s last full season by half the season) with plenty of bootlegs and simplifying the reads for Dak by limited it to primarily half the field.

The problem is, he couldn’t handle more responsibility and teams adjusted taking away his underneath in Beasley. So Linehan had to go back to simplifying the offense.

By the end of the year, Dak was basically back to all shotgun like in college and plenty of spread to the edges to keep everything in front.

The problem with that is you limit your options from a playcalling standpoint and WR routes.

 

[Doomsay]

The. funniest thing about Garrett homers is them blaming the defense always for his failures and more scapegoating.

Ironically, we got Stephen Jones saying this year that the offense was at fault for all the TOs they had, putting too much pressure on the defense.

But the Garrett homers never seemed to say it was Garrett’s fault when he was in control of the offense and kept turning the ball over to the opposing team. The year Wade was fired, in 8 games the offense already turned the ball over 19 TIMES. The Commanders loss could directly be attributed to one of Garrett’s most comically inept playcalls in history, when Choice fumbled on the last play of the half on a checkdown with over 60 yards to go.

When Garrett fired Rob Ryan he basically said that his ability to not generate TOs didn’t give his offense extra chances to score, yet per that same logic, Garrett’s offense per his homers was never to blame for the opposing offense getting more chances off his own turnovers.

This year Dak was a TO machine and set records in futility for pick 6s.

These same Garrett homers in other contexts will rightly blame TO disparity for us losing, but turn a blind eye to it, when defending Garrett’s TO prone offenses that couldn’t field an effective running game worth a grain of salt, so his offenses couldn’t control TOP tiring the defenses out and he turned the ball over, giving the opposing team good field position and wearing the defense out to eventually implode in the 4th quarter.

Right, like Garrett the is not responsible for defense.

 

[khiladi]

OP seems like a company man provocateur.

Jerry must be paying guys to defend his retaining Garrett, because the gig is up for the majority of folk regarding how he’s essentially useless. Major PR mode must be at work on Valley Ranch right now.

 

[kskboys]

Right, like Garrett the is not responsible for defense.

Jerry put JG over the D back before the 2014 season.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry put JG over the D back before the 2014 season.

Not really.. Jerry basically said that in the context of him not touching the offense. He basically said they didn’t need his input on offense and he can walk around with the defense in practice.

And then he said that Garrett has a high tolerance for ambiguity meaning his role wouldn’t be explicitly defined.

Garrett is basically the guy in Office Space who delivers the requirements to the developers. “Why can’t the requirement guys deliver it themselves?”

 

[kskboys]

Not really.. Jerry basically said that in the context of him not touching the offense. He basically said he can walk around with the defense in practice.. and then he also said that Garrett has a high tolerance for ambiguity meaning his role wouldn’t be explicitly defined.

No, seriously, he did. I was in disbelief myself. It's when he forced the playcalling duties from him and gave them to Linehan. Jerry said Jason was now over the D. It was weird to be sure!!

 

[Darthkuriboh]

Jerry put JG over the D back before the 2014 season.

Carrot boy has been on Jerry's D for 7 years, that's how he's kept his job

 

[khiladi]

No, seriously, he did. I was in disbelief myself. It's when he forced the playcalling duties from him and gave them to Linehan. Jerry said Jason was now over the D. It was weird to be sure!!

I know what your taking about, but he really said it in a way that was more that he will completely be away from the offense.

"I have seen people work just as strong or stronger without knowing where the future is," Jones said, via the San Antonio Express-News. "He has a high tolerance for ambiguity. That is very important in this situation."

He then went on to say in typical Jerry speak to make it sound like Garrett wasn’t being relegated to a clapper:

"He will have a lot more time spent on defense than he will on offense," Jones said. "We want his input on defense."

So basically it was, Garrett totally sucks at play calling and we don’t want him here and I know you think that is weird, but he will deal with the ambiguity in the new set-up. He’s good at it. But just to protect his image, we will say he will get his words in on defense.


https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/24/5443946/jerry-jones-cowboys-crying-jason-garrett

 

[khiladi]

Carrot boy has been on Jerry's D for 7 years, that's how he's kept his job

I was waiting fir somebody on this forum to say it... it took a few years for a man of such boldness to make his presence felt..