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[Sydla]

Hate them all you want but Philly and Roseman have run laps around Jerry for years now. Roseman doesn't get everything right (the Huff contract this offseason is looking like a turd, and he's had some bad drafts too) but he gets more than enough right and is quick to note an error and change course.

This offseason was a tale in competency for one franchise and idiocy for another franchise. Both teams bowed out early in the playoffs where each team got run off the field. The moment the offseason started, one team took an honest, realistic look at where they were and were aggressive in trying to fix it, the other team was passive and overvalued what they thought they had.

Both Roseman and Jerry are egomaniacs but one is far more critical of the job he has done than the other. One is quicker to understand the limitations of their roster than the other. One is quicker to admit mistakes than the other because he doesn't give a crap what people think about him, whereas the other is consumed with how people view him as a "football" guy.

We can debate whether Dak was a smart resigning. But if Roseman had made the decision to re-sign him, he would have aggressively gotten it done in March or April for cap relief. Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both signed extensions in April, to give them cap flexibility. We signed Lamb weeks before the season.

Philly actually had a fairly decent run game last year. Roseman decided it wasn't good enough and went out and signed one of the best FA RBs. Jerry? Our run game was suspect last year even with Pollard and Jerry's response? Go small at TB. One GM simply said what we have is not good enough, the other GM stupidly thought the opposite.

One GM doesn't allow the cap to constrain him. He works it like no other GM. The other GM uses the cap as an excuse. Always whining about how cap handcuffs him. One isn't afraid to stretch that cap out, the other either has no desire to in order to get better or is too stupid to figure it out.

This franchise is going nowhere with Jerry at the helm. It would take a smart GM like Roseman to try to fix what Jerry has created. And there is no way Jerry is going to give up that kind of control. His ego won't allow it. So his fanbase suffers while Jerry continues on in his nearly three decade long vanity project.

 

[Majic]

Hate them all you want but Philly and Roseman have run laps around Jerry for years now. Roseman doesn't get everything right (the Huff contract this offseason is looking like a turd, and he's had some bad drafts too) but he gets more than enough right and is quick to note an error and change course.

This offseason was a tale in competency for one franchise and idiocy for another franchise. Both teams bowed out early in the playoffs where each team got run off the field. The moment the offseason started, one team took an honest, realistic look at where they were and were aggressive in trying to fix it, the other team was passive and overvalued what they thought they had.

Both Roseman and Jerry are egomaniacs but one is far more critical of the job he has done than the other. One is quicker to understand the limitations of their roster than the other. One is quicker to admit mistakes than the other because he doesn't give a crap what people think about him, whereas the other is consumed with how people view him as a "football" guy.

We can debate whether Dak was a smart resigning. But if Roseman had made the decision to re-sign him, he would have aggressively gotten it done in March or April for cap relief. Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both signed extensions in April, to give them cap flexibility. We signed Lamb weeks before the season.

Philly actually had a fairly decent run game last year. Roseman decided it wasn't good enough and went out and signed one of the best FA RBs. Jerry? Our run game was suspect last year even with Pollard and Jerry's response? Go small at TB. One GM simply said what we have is not good enough, the other GM stupidly thought the opposite.

One GM doesn't allow the cap to constrain him. He works it like no other GM. The other GM uses the cap as an excuse. Always whining about how cap handcuffs him. One isn't afraid to stretch that cap out, the other either has no desire to in order to get better or is too stupid to figure it out.

This franchise is going nowhere with Jerry at the helm. It would take a smart GM like Roseman to try to fix what Jerry has created. And there is no way Jerry is going to give up that kind of control. His ego won't allow it. So his fanbase suffers while Jerry continues on in his nearly three decade long vanity project.

Well said. Excellent post

 

[charron]

100% good GM's realize their mistakes and pivot when needed. They don't sign players to stupid contracts they can't get out of due to fear. They have to be willing to make bold moves, like letting a good QB walk because the salary they want would hinder the aquisition of talent around them too much.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Yeah. The difference is stark.

Plus, Jerry doesn’t care about winning when it comes to making a buck and he will always go cheap, especially with his even cheaper son holding so much clout in the front office. Philly wants titles. Jerry wants Forbes. As long as Forbes keeps listing Dallas, and by extension himself, as the most valuable sports team in the world, he doesn’t give two hairs off a rat’s arse about SBs.

 

[Tabascocat]

One can be held accountable and fired. The other cannot be. Dallas doesn’t have a GM, Philly does.

 

[JohnsKey19]

All good points. Keep in mind that Roseman and other GMs around the league are always making moves knowing at any point the owner can fire him. Not the case in Dallas. So we can debate all we want about how much or if Jerry/Stephens's true intentions are to win at any cost. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. They are going to do it their way. There is always a different urgency in how someone performs their jobs when it's truly on the line. And this is not to say Roseman is perfect but at least you see him and others take chances and not STUCK in their own ways.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Hate them all you want but Philly and Roseman have run laps around Jerry for years now. Roseman doesn't get everything right (the Huff contract this offseason is looking like a turd, and he's had some bad drafts too) but he gets more than enough right and is quick to note an error and change course.

This offseason was a tale in competency for one franchise and idiocy for another franchise. Both teams bowed out early in the playoffs where each team got run off the field. The moment the offseason started, one team took an honest, realistic look at where they were and were aggressive in trying to fix it, the other team was passive and overvalued what they thought they had.

Both Roseman and Jerry are egomaniacs but one is far more critical of the job he has done than the other. One is quicker to understand the limitations of their roster than the other. One is quicker to admit mistakes than the other because he doesn't give a crap what people think about him, whereas the other is consumed with how people view him as a "football" guy.

We can debate whether Dak was a smart resigning. But if Roseman had made the decision to re-sign him, he would have aggressively gotten it done in March or April for cap relief. Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both signed extensions in April, to give them cap flexibility. We signed Lamb weeks before the season.

Philly actually had a fairly decent run game last year. Roseman decided it wasn't good enough and went out and signed one of the best FA RBs. Jerry? Our run game was suspect last year even with Pollard and Jerry's response? Go small at TB. One GM simply said what we have is not good enough, the other GM stupidly thought the opposite.

One GM doesn't allow the cap to constrain him. He works it like no other GM. The other GM uses the cap as an excuse. Always whining about how cap handcuffs him. One isn't afraid to stretch that cap out, the other either has no desire to in order to get better or is too stupid to figure it out.

This franchise is going nowhere with Jerry at the helm. It would take a smart GM like Roseman to try to fix what Jerry has created. And there is no way Jerry is going to give up that kind of control. His ego won't allow it. So his fanbase suffers while Jerry continues on in his nearly three decade long vanity project.

One GM can be terminated. The other one can’t.

 

[kskboys]

Hate them all you want but Philly and Roseman have run laps around Jerry for years now. Roseman doesn't get everything right (the Huff contract this offseason is looking like a turd, and he's had some bad drafts too) but he gets more than enough right and is quick to note an error and change course.

This offseason was a tale in competency for one franchise and idiocy for another franchise. Both teams bowed out early in the playoffs where each team got run off the field. The moment the offseason started, one team took an honest, realistic look at where they were and were aggressive in trying to fix it, the other team was passive and overvalued what they thought they had.

Both Roseman and Jerry are egomaniacs but one is far more critical of the job he has done than the other. One is quicker to understand the limitations of their roster than the other. One is quicker to admit mistakes than the other because he doesn't give a crap what people think about him, whereas the other is consumed with how people view him as a "football" guy.

We can debate whether Dak was a smart resigning. But if Roseman had made the decision to re-sign him, he would have aggressively gotten it done in March or April for cap relief. Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both signed extensions in April, to give them cap flexibility. We signed Lamb weeks before the season.

Philly actually had a fairly decent run game last year. Roseman decided it wasn't good enough and went out and signed one of the best FA RBs. Jerry? Our run game was suspect last year even with Pollard and Jerry's response? Go small at TB. One GM simply said what we have is not good enough, the other GM stupidly thought the opposite.

One GM doesn't allow the cap to constrain him. He works it like no other GM. The other GM uses the cap as an excuse. Always whining about how cap handcuffs him. One isn't afraid to stretch that cap out, the other either has no desire to in order to get better or is too stupid to figure it out.

This franchise is going nowhere with Jerry at the helm. It would take a smart GM like Roseman to try to fix what Jerry has created. And there is no way Jerry is going to give up that kind of control. His ego won't allow it. So his fanbase suffers while Jerry continues on in his nearly three decade long vanity project.

Huge factor: Philly has had multiple extra high round picks the last few years. Why? Because they are willing to trade a player while they still have value, as opposed to keeping them on the team until their legs fall off. Wentz brought multiple 1sts. Philly then traded picks w/ NO to get a high enough pick to get Jalen Carter. Carter was doubled a record high 79% of plays last night. Do you have any idea how much that helps EVERYONE on the DL?

 

[Sydla]

Huge factor: Philly has had multiple extra high round picks the last few years. Why? Because they are willing to trade a player while they still have value, as opposed to keeping them on the team until their legs fall off. Wentz brought multiple 1sts. Philly then traded picks w/ NO to get a high enough pick to get Jalen Carter. Carter was doubled a record high 79% of plays last night. Do you have any idea how much that helps EVERYONE on the DL?

I mean all this falls in with the realization that they are better run than us, which is the premise of the entire OP. They understand mistakes faster. They try to rectify problems faster.

We sit on our hands.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

FYI....in case anyone is wondering, here's info on Roseman's current contract.........


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...oseman-signs-3-year-extension-source-confirms

 

[G2]

We know it's Jerry. The ONLY time this team was championship caliber was before '94 when he wasn't involved with the football topics and focused on marketing etc. Switzer rode the coattails and it's been one and since.

 

[cowboyec]

unless jerry the owner fires jerry the gm...nothing changes.
our only hope is a hc who can figure around jerry...coach "around" jerry.
maybe belichick could do it.
but thats the only way for a hc to have success here with the current f/o dynamic.
tall order.

 

[DallasEast]

One can be held accountable and fired. The other cannot be. Dallas doesn’t have a GM, Philly does.

Bold> This. It is exceedingly likely Jerry Jones would have fired Howie Roseman IF Roseman's GM resume would have mirrored Jones's 1996 through 2002 resume. Heck, I extremely doubt Jones would have waited to the end of the 2002 season before pulling the trigger.

Jones the GM has always been a detriment to Jones the owner. I have said it before and will so again. Hiring Jimmy Johnson was the absolute best and absolute worst thing Jones has ever done after purchasing the franchise. His narcissism overwhelmed any commonsense he possessed before March 29, 1994.

Wealth. Power. Fame. He owns all three in abundance. His idiocy and selfishness prevented him enjoying far more of the same.

 

[HungryLion]

I mean all this falls in with the realization that they are better run than us, which is the premise of the entire OP. They understand mistakes faster. They try to rectify problems faster.

We sit on our hands.

Yeah but we like our guys.

 

[BHendri5]

Hate them all you want but Philly and Roseman have run laps around Jerry for years now. Roseman doesn't get everything right (the Huff contract this offseason is looking like a turd, and he's had some bad drafts too) but he gets more than enough right and is quick to note an error and change course.

This offseason was a tale in competency for one franchise and idiocy for another franchise. Both teams bowed out early in the playoffs where each team got run off the field. The moment the offseason started, one team took an honest, realistic look at where they were and were aggressive in trying to fix it, the other team was passive and overvalued what they thought they had.

Both Roseman and Jerry are egomaniacs but one is far more critical of the job he has done than the other. One is quicker to understand the limitations of their roster than the other. One is quicker to admit mistakes than the other because he doesn't give a crap what people think about him, whereas the other is consumed with how people view him as a "football" guy.

We can debate whether Dak was a smart resigning. But if Roseman had made the decision to re-sign him, he would have aggressively gotten it done in March or April for cap relief. Devonta Smith and AJ Brown both signed extensions in April, to give them cap flexibility. We signed Lamb weeks before the season.

Philly actually had a fairly decent run game last year. Roseman decided it wasn't good enough and went out and signed one of the best FA RBs. Jerry? Our run game was suspect last year even with Pollard and Jerry's response? Go small at TB. One GM simply said what we have is not good enough, the other GM stupidly thought the opposite.

One GM doesn't allow the cap to constrain him. He works it like no other GM. The other GM uses the cap as an excuse. Always whining about how cap handcuffs him. One isn't afraid to stretch that cap out, the other either has no desire to in order to get better or is too stupid to figure it out.

This franchise is going nowhere with Jerry at the helm. It would take a smart GM like Roseman to try to fix what Jerry has created. And there is no way Jerry is going to give up that kind of control. His ego won't allow it. So his fanbase suffers while Jerry continues on in his nearly three decade long vanity project.

But what are they doing with this brilliant gm? Where are the rings?
Are we about to see another 6/7 game losing streak like last season?

 

[Blackspider214]

Absolutely. Philly's front office is one of the best out there. Look at how they address their needs and go get thu. Once they saw the Foles/Wentz era was done, they moved on and went and got Hurts in the draft. A ton of people scoffed at that pick and he did look pretty raw and bad at times early on but they designed an offense for him and got him the pieces they need. Draft Devante Smith for a weapon. Traded for AJ Brown for another big weapon. Moved up ahead of Dallas and got Goeddart for their TE, someone Dallas wanted. Dallas had no idea this would happen and had no backup plan. Ended up taking Connor Williams, who isn't even in the league any longer.

And this past offseason, to go and get Barkley, amazing move. Cue the usual crowd of "he's overrated and overpaid" for pretty much every free agent we don't land. Barkley completely transformed their offense. That is the one piece they never really had in this Hurts era. A back who can carry the load the entire game. Trying to tackle this guy all game wears you down. Hence, why they lead the league in 2nd half points. Hurts and the offense no longer turn the ball over.

Huge difference in being a proactive front office, spending whatever it takes and being a penny pinching, reactive, "we like our guys" front office.

 

[Sydla]

But what are they doing with this brilliant gm? Where are the rings?
Are we about to see another 6/7 game losing streak like last season?

LOL. Always a homer in the bunch who struggle to just admit reality.

What are they doing? Been to two SBs, won one in the last 8 years. More playoff wins than us. Likely looking at another playoff run this year while we will be sitting home.

Yeah they lost a bunch of games last year late and their GM decided massive changes were needed so they went out and got two new coordinators, were aggressive in FA, had a great draft. What did we do after getting run off the field in January? We let talent walk out the door, didn't fire one coach, sat out FA and had a fairly mundane draft.

Hence the post. One franchise tries. One franchise does not. It's kind of comical that some of you struggle to just admit reality here between us and Philly.

 

[BHendri5]

Hurts is garbage, Barkley is legit but it’s not going to help them win it all

 

[Blackspider214]

But what are they doing with this brilliant gm? Where are the rings?
Are we about to see another 6/7 game losing streak like last season?

Where are the rings? Are we seriously still doing this? Lol. Roseman has won a Super Bowl in 2017. Went to another 2 years ago. In position again to get to another this year. They keep moving forward while Dallas has been in mud for almost 30 years now.

Since the turn of the century, the Eagles as a whole has dwarfed Dallas in every single aspect.

Dallas fans love to downplay any other team to try and make themselves feel better. Sorry, it doesn't work. Dallas and Washington now are the only 2 teams in the conference who haven't been to an NFC championship game in the last 3 decades.

 

[Blackspider214]

Hurts is garbage, Barkley is legit but it’s not going to help them win it all

Hurts is easily enough to win a ring. I mean, we have seen the likes of Jimmy G, Kap, Purdy, Goff all play for Super Bowls. Philly when they played KC a few years ago, were right there to win it all. They now have Barkley, someone to lean on to take pressure off Hurts. This is what Dallas did for Romo with Murray and Dak with Zeke. Lean on that guys who control the game and wear you down.

The NFC, unlike the AFC, you don't need to be some top flight QB to win. They have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow. The NFC is much more parity. And has been that way for a few decades now while the AFC was extremely top heavy with Brady, Manning, Mahomes. Throw in Ben R. If you weren't those guys, then good luck getting to the Super Bowl. You had a few outliers here and there make it, like Flacco. The NFC has seen a ton of different guys get there. Which it what makes Dallas ineptitude to not even get to a measly NFC championship game all the more frustrating. We didn't have these top tier QBs to get through.