We Have Reached Mach 1

[Hostile]

Get it? Mach instead of Mock.

Some may thing it was a typo and supposed to be March, but it was intentional. Time to put my thinking cap on. Please feel free to share your critiques and thoughts.

Okay, so my guy Peterson is gone. What do I do? Me personally, I trade down and stockpile picks. I think Washington is going to grab a QB at 10, so someone should be willing to move up to 9 and get their guy.

So we trade #9 for #16 and Jaguars 2nd round pick, #49. You pay the price for QBs and they take Blaine Gabbart away from Washington.


#16. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'6", 300. Now, I will take the OT that I actually want and feel we got a steal. I am not willing to roll the bones on him at #9, but as a top 20 pick, I have no issues with it at all. He has potential that is through the roof. OL needs attention.

#40. Rahim Moore, S, UCLA, 6'1", 195. With my true plan to grab Peterson I move Newman to FS and take a 3rd round gamble on Deunta Williams. Can't do that now, so I have to address Safety now since I probably keep Newman at CB. Moore is not a consolation prize, he is a day 1 starter next to Sensabaugh.

#49. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 240. Guarenteed to be the pick I love the most if we take him. He played OLB at Washington but he absolutely can play ILB. Against Oregon State he played spy against one of my pet cats, Jacquizz Rodgers and that is hard to do if you are assigned to only one side of the field. He and Sean Lee would be side by side heat seeking missiles for many years.

#71. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6'0", 185. A solid cover corner with great skills to the football. A pick I don't hesitate to make because I believe he is much higher than this pick in talent but because he plays at NMSU. If he played at a Florida or Texas school he could be a high 2nd round pick.

#109. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Not sure why he is dropping on so many mocks, but he is. I'll still take him as developmental depth if nothing else. I love the way this guy looks for targets to hit when he pulls on sweeps.

#140. Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh, 6'1", 260. Now that I have addressed depth on D and my OL I want to fix my short yardage team. I'm going to start with the guy hitting the hole first and that guy is this earth mover who will flat out knock the taste out of your mouth.

#171. John Clay, RB, Wisconsin, 6'1", 250. I am going to complete my short yardage needs with a man who if he can't find the hole will make his own. I believe Barber could be gone and though I love him I am okay with that. He has given his body to this team. Time to pass the torch. Here is the torchbearer for the short yardage, or hard yard needs.

#209. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'3", 225. He is the QB I want. I think he is a backup and even if he spends a year or two on the PS, so what? He is smart, perhaps has a career in coaching. Let's mine whatever ore is there for ourselves.

 

[DFWJC]

Pac 10 homer.
Not bad though.

Also, if we took McElroy it would be like Garrett taking himself .

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Not 1 DL? Thats tricky even for me

 

[Hostile]

Pac 10 homer.
Not bad though.

Also, if we took McElroy it would be like Garrett taking himself .

See, in my demented way of thinking we get McElroy for 8 to 9 years as a backup QB/coach in training. He joins the staff upon retirement and continues to soak in Garrett's knowledge and then when Garrett hits retirement age in his 60's he passes the baton to his clone. Minus the red hair, which by then will be gray and he will no longer be called a ginger, he'll be a blue hair.

 

[DFWJC]

See, in my demented way of thinking we get McElroy for 8 to 9 years as a backup QB/coach in training. He joins the staff upon retirement and continues to soak in Garrett's knowledge and then when Garrett hits retirement age in his 60's he passes the baton to his clone. Minus the red hair, which by then will be gray and he will no longer be called a ginger, he'll be a blue hair.

Yikes.
Demented indeed.

 

[LatinMind]

Get it? Mach instead of Mock.

Some may thing it was a typo and supposed to be March, but it was intentional. Time to put my thinking cap on. Please feel free to share your critiques and thoughts.

Okay, so my guy Peterson is gone. What do I do? Me personally, I trade down and stockpile picks. I think Washington is going to grab a QB at 10, so someone should be willing to move up to 9 and get their guy.

So we trade #9 for #16 and Jaguars 2nd round pick, #49. You pay the price for QBs and they take Blaine Gabbart away from Washington.

#16. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'6", 300. Now, I will take the OT that I actually want and feel we got a steal. I am not willing to roll the bones on him at #9, but as a top 20 pick, I have no issues with it at all. He has potential that is through the roof. OL needs attention.

#40. Rahim Moore, S, UCLA, 6'1", 195. With my true plan to grab Peterson I move Newman to FS and take a 3rd round gamble on Deunta Williams. Can't do that now, so I have to address Safety now since I probably keep Newman at CB. Moore is not a consolation prize, he is a day 1 starter next to Sensabaugh.

#49. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 240. Guarenteed to be the pick I love the most if we take him. He played OLB at Washington but he absolutely can play ILB. Against Oregon State he played spy against one of my pet cats, Jacquizz Rodgers and that is hard to do if you are assigned to only one side of the field. He and Sean Lee would be side by side heat seeking missiles for many years.

#71. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6'0", 185. A solid cover corner with great skills to the football. A pick I don't hesitate to make because I believe he is much higher than this pick in talent but because he plays at NMSU. If he played at a Florida or Texas school he could be a high 2nd round pick.

#109. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Not sure why he is dropping on so many mocks, but he is. I'll still take him as developmental depth if nothing else. I love the way this guy looks for targets to hit when he pulls on sweeps.

#140. Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh, 6'1", 260. Now that I have addressed depth on D and my OL I want to fix my short yardage team. I'm going to start with the guy hitting the hole first and that guy is this earth mover who will flat out knock the taste out of your mouth.

#171. John Clay, RB, Wisconsin, 6'1", 250. I am going to complete my short yardage needs with a man who if he can't find the hole will make his own. I believe Barber could be gone and though I love him I am okay with that. He has given his body to this team. Time to pass the torch. Here is the torchbearer for the short yardage, or hard yard needs.

#209. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'3", 225. He is the QB I want. I think he is a backup and even if he spends a year or two on the PS, so what? He is smart, perhaps has a career in coaching. Let's mine whatever ore is there for ourselves.

Tyron will def not be there at 16. And even if he was. Ive just given up on Jones taking a OL in round 1. Love the Rahim pick but i dont think he'll make it to round 2 either. His stock is going to rise. After that not really seeing the draft going in any direction but drafting Deep depth.

With the amount of looks Ryan is going to be giving I really think theyre going to be drafting atleast 1 Impact DL early. Round 1 or 2. They need the DL.

I agree ILB need upgrading but not him. And not now. A 3rd round ILB would be a waste of a pick considering whats needed.

Im still on the Deunta wagon. I read earlier this week he should be ready to go for UNC's proday. Running drills even. I was suprised to read that.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Get it? Mach instead of Mock.


So we trade #9 for #16 and Jaguars 2nd round pick, #49. You pay the price for QBs and they take Blaine Gabbart away from Washington.


#16. Tyron Smith, OT, USC, 6'6", 300. Now, I will take the OT that I actually want and feel we got a steal. I am not willing to roll the bones on him at #9, but as a top 20 pick, I have no issues with it at all. He has potential that is through the roof. OL needs attention. .

That wont work parameters of the trade, you have jags giving up 50 points, generally you can get away with 20 points like we did last year, when we traded with new england, but thats about all most teams will give up, so either we have to give back a 4th or swap 4th rounders, something like that

#40. Rahim Moore, S, UCLA, 6'1", 195. With my true plan to grab Peterson I move Newman to FS and take a 3rd round gamble on Deunta Williams. Can't do that now, so I have to address Safety now since I probably keep Newman at CB. Moore is not a consolation prize, he is a day 1 starter next to Sensabaugh..

I agree with this pick, but dont forget about Ansah our safety, and I have athe feeling that Sensabaugh will stay with cowboys or rob ryan brings in Safety Elam that knows his defense.

#49. Mason Foster, ILB, Washington, 6'1", 240. Guarenteed to be the pick I love the most if we take him. He played OLB at Washington but he absolutely can play ILB. Against Oregon State he played spy against one of my pet cats, Jacquizz Rodgers and that is hard to do if you are assigned to only one side of the field. He and Sean Lee would be side by side heat seeking missiles for many years. .

I agree with this pick too, because we will need another young inside linebacker,

#71. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6'0", 185. A solid cover corner with great skills to the football. A pick I don't hesitate to make because I believe he is much higher than this pick in talent but because he plays at NMSU. If he played at a Florida or Texas school he could be a high 2nd round pick..

Phooey on this pick, stinks to me! I think we could do better with this pick

#109. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'4", 315. Not sure why he is dropping on so many mocks, but he is. I'll still take him as developmental depth if nothing else. I love the way this guy looks for targets to hit when he pulls on sweeps.

#140. Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh, 6'1", 260. Now that I have addressed depth on D and my OL I want to fix my short yardage team. I'm going to start with the guy hitting the hole first and that guy is this earth mover who will flat out knock the taste out of your mouth.

#171. John Clay, RB, Wisconsin, 6'1", 250. I am going to complete my short yardage needs with a man who if he can't find the hole will make his own. I believe Barber could be gone and though I love him I am okay with that. He has given his body to this team. Time to pass the torch. Here is the torchbearer for the short yardage, or hard yard needs.

#209. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama, 6'3", 225. He is the QB I want. I think he is a backup and even if he spends a year or two on the PS, so what? He is smart, perhaps has a career in coaching. Let's mine whatever ore is there for ourselves.

I agree with the rest of these picks, really love the fullback and Clay pick with underrated OG Moffitt, and if McElroy lasting this long and i do think he will fall with his injured wrist, will be a great pick for us, However, I still think Jason Garrett has plans on the QB from Nevada or Andy Dalton, but if a team gets both of them before we do, cowboys will settle with McElroy. I do think its just a matter of time now, if CBA is signed, that Barber will be traded to the Dolphins, they need a rb now that ricky williams is retiring, and their staff knows barber really well. So, if a trade can be worked out, look possibly for a 4th or 5th rounder for barber.

 

[Hostile]

"Jason Witten will never last to the 2nd round."

"Stephen Jackson won't be there at 24."




Echoes of the past keep ringing in my mind.

 

[Randy White]

why would the Jags go for a QB ?

second: Gabbert falling to #9, getting past the Cardinals, 49ers AND Titans ?

 

[SDogo]

why would the Jags go for a QB ?

second: Gabbert falling to #9, getting past the Cardinals, 49ers AND Titans ?

Cardinals are likely to end up with Kolb or Young, the Titans say they are not pressed to reach for a QB this year. I think the only team of the 3 likely to even consider Gabbert is the 49ers.

 

[SDogo]

"Jason Witten will never last to the 2nd round."

"Stephen Jackson won't be there at 24."




Echoes of the past keep ringing in my mind.

That should be a banner in the draft zone...........

 

[SDogo]

That wont work parameters of the trade, you have jags giving up 50 points, generally you can get away with 20 points like we did last year, when we traded with new england, but thats about all most teams will give up, so either we have to give back a 4th or swap 4th rounders, something like that

Joe, the days of the "universal" trade chart passed about 5 years ago. Scott Wright may have it posted on his site but he might as well put it in a museum. I promise you, no one uses that chart anymore. Sure they all have a variation of it based on a dozen different factors but it changes every year. You might as well drop marbles on a calculator to see what you get cause it's going to be just about as accurate.

Also, please PM me your email address.

 

[Randy White]

" mach ", I'm not too thrilled with it.

Smith at #16 I don't mind ( anything earlier than that, I would ), and if Moore from UCLA is there in the 2nd round, I'd be ok with it too, even though it would be yet another young, inexperienced player at a position of need ( prefer to address it through FA ), but I'm not guidy with the rest.

However, and unless you're willing to insert Smith at the RT position from the get go, instead of Smith at #16, I'd pass up his potential for somebody who could start right now. That somebody is Mike Pouncey. Right away, he'd be my starting LG. 1 - 2 years from now, he's my starting Center for the next 10-12 years.

Smith is tempting, but Free has pretty much established himself at LT, and we have a couple of prospects for the RT position on the bench already. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take another one, but just saying that perhaps we should go with the potential perenial consistent Pro Bowler inside who's going to start from the first minute he arrives, as opposed to the down the line potential Pro Bowler Tackle.

I don't want to draft a QB unless it's one of these studs that falls to the 3rd round and just dares us to draft him. Anything else that's considered practice squad material, I'd prefer sign him as an undrafted free agent. We've actually done a good job there in this area recently ( Tony Romo and Matt Moore ).

We must pretend we're going to lose a couple of DEs in free agency, so I'd like to draft at least one just in case we do. If we don't, then it's just icing on the cake. I also would like to draft a big interior lineman if nothing else to push Brent. I love the kid, but I want to make sure the success he had in his rookie season does not go to his head like it often does to players like him around the league. I want a couple of true, 3-4 Inside LBs. That means 6'2 - 6'4, 240 - 250 lbs range, who are fortress' walls against the run. Since we're going to be attacking more, I want LBs who could handle O-linemen when offenses run draws and traps.

and of course, the usual obscure school DB that this team loves to draft late in the draft just about every year.

 

[Randy White]

Cardinals are likely to end up with Kolb or Young, the Titans say they are not pressed to reach for a QB this year. I think the only team of the 3 likely to even consider Gabbert is the 49ers.

I don't know about Young. Didn't the Cards came out already saying they want nothing to do with him ? I thought the Cards were going to go in the direction of Marc Bulger ( to appease Fitzgerald ), then draft their future QB ( Gabbert OR Newton ) with the 5th..

Kolb ? That's another matter and it makes sense. Then again, he makes sense for the 49ers slightly more than for the Cards ( offensive systems being similar ) and if I'm not keeping Smith ( which, by the way, with Harbaugh in charge now, I think it's a mistake NOT to keep him, even if it's just for the experiment ), I'd seriously consider sending them the #7, if the Eagles send back their 2nd round pick along with Kolb.

Titans can say whatever they want now, but they don't have anybody over there. More than likely, that's probably posturing so not to show their card which most likely, has a Cam Newton picture on it, but I would seriously doubt they pass on Gabbert if he falls to them and Newton doesn't.

 

[SDogo]

I don't know about Young. Didn't the Cards came out already saying they want nothing to do with him ? I thought the Cards were going to go in the direction of Marc Bulger ( to appease Fitzgerald ), then draft their future QB ( Gabbert OR Newton ) with the 5th..

Kolb ? That's another matter and it makes sense. Then again, he makes sense for the 49ers slightly more than for the Cards ( offensive systems being similar ) and if I'm not keeping Smith ( which, by the way, with Harbaugh in charge now, I think it's a mistake NOT to keep him, even if it's just for the experiment ), I'd seriously consider sending them the #7, if the Eagles send back their 2nd round pick along with Kolb.

Titans can say whatever they want now, but they don't have anybody over there. More than likely, that's probably posturing so not to show their hands which is most likely Cam Newton, but I would seriously doubt they pass on Gabbert if he falls to them and Newton doesn't.

IMO, the Cards will pass on a QB. I have no doubts they will bring in a Vet and are still gun shy from Leinhart. I'm still torn on the 49ers but I could see them taking a liking to Gabbert but that defensive backfield is in such shambles I dont know how they could pass on Prince if he was there.

Wild card in it all is Cam Newton. I still have strong ties to my old employer in Buffalo and the Bills are SKY HIGH on Cam Newton. If he goes 3rd to Buffalo your going to see a horse race to get up and get Gabbert by anyone looking for a QB.

 

[casmith07]

Great Mach.

I love the Rahim Moore pick. But I'm not opposed to taking D. Williams high either - broken bones are simple injuries. We should use Charles Woodson as the example here.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Joe, the days of the "universal" trade chart passed about 5 years ago. Scott Wright may have it posted on his site but he might as well put it in a museum. I promise you, no one uses that chart anymore. Sure they all have a variation of it based on a dozen different factors but it changes every year. You might as well drop marbles on a calculator to see what you get cause it's going to be just about as accurate.

Also, please PM me your email address.

sure did look like they used the chart buddy, remember the trade last year with new england? We gave up about 20 points, but was very equal to the chart. And if you go back to podcast of coach belicheater talking on the phone to us i think, you can hear him talking points and value needed.

And jerry has stated in the past they use the chart. or something very similar to it.

 

[Randy White]

IMO, the Cards will pass on a QB. I have no doubts they will bring in a Vet and are still gun shy from Leinhart. I'm still torn on the 49ers but I could see them taking a liking to Gabbert but that defensive backfield is in such shambles I dont know how they could pass on Prince if he was there.

I've had Prince projected to them for a long long time. It's so obvious it's not even funny. However, if the Yorks decide to open up their wallets, there's an ex-Raider available who can help them and they're a team who's on that borderline ( playoff border line ).

Wild card in it all is Cam Newton. I still have strong ties to my old employer in Buffalo and the Bills are SKY HIGH on Cam Newton. If he goes 3rd to Buffalo your going to see a horse race to get up and get Gabbert by anyone looking for a QB.

If the Bills pull that rabbit our of their hats, and with Gailey's system Newton is just about the perfect fit ( same with the Cards, by the way ), oh boy the flood gates are going to be blown off.. It could make Mr. Peterson fall right down to us.

Especially if Mr. Palmer is traded ( Gabbert to Cincy ? )

 

[cowboyjoe]

I've had Prince projected to them for a long long time. It's so obvious it's not even funny. However, if the Yorks decide to open up their wallets, there's an ex-Raider available who can help them and they're a team who's on that borderline ( playoff border line ).




If the Bills pull that rabbit our of their hats, and with Gailey's system Newton is just about the perfect fit ( same with the Cards, by the way ), oh boy the flood gates are going to be blown off.. It could make Mr. Peterson fall right down to us.

Especially if Mr. Palmer is traded ( Gabbert to Cincy ? )

ditto the key for us, if Fairley, Dareus, Cam Newton, QB from Missouri and bowers all fall first 5, with one of the top wrs going in that range too, with von miller going about 7th, patrick peterson could fall to us

the key for peterson will be, his speed in the 40 that he runs. If he does indeed run a 4.26 that he plans to run in that range, you can forget about getting Peterson, but if he runs a 4.38 or so, we might have a chance at him

:starspin

 

[SDogo]

sure did look like they used the chart buddy, remember the trade last year with new england? We gave up about 20 points, but was very equal to the chart. And if you go back to podcast of coach belicheater talking on the phone to us i think, you can hear him talking points and value needed.

And jerry has stated in the past they use the chart. or something very similar to it.

Oh I have no doubt it ironically works out here and there but if you were to breakdown the trades over the last 5 years your going to find 90% of them are off from the chart.

Like I said, every team uses something similar but the values change. Matter of fact, maybe this weekend I'll try to post a piece on exactly what I'm talking about.