We should be drafting to switch to a 3-4 but we won't

[Zekeats]

Would be a good transition year to make the switch but sadly they can't think ahead. Micah and Sam Williams on the outside, D Law leaving too, good time to be a step ahead but we are always 3 behind.

 

[baltcowboy]

Would be a good transition year to make the switch but sadly they can't think ahead. Micah and Sam Williams on the outside, D Law leaving too, good time to be a step ahead but we are always 3 behind.

Supposedly Patrick C. Walker said that is going to happen. Actually you have Gholston, Tank, and Osa can play ends. Sam and Parsons outside line backer, Mazi nose guard. Kendricks, Overshown, and Clark middle linebacker. They can do it.

 

[sbark]

Supposedly Patrick C. Walker said that is going to happen. Actually you have Gholston, Tank, and Osa can play ends. Sam and Parsons outside line backer, Mazi nose guard. Kendricks, Overshown, and Clark middle linebacker. They can do it.

Trying to think if Zimmer ever went that direction with his defenses.
But could see a blend, a changup, to throw a wrinkle into the mix
And be able to adapt if injury bug hits a position hard etc.

 

[Zekeats]

Trying to think if Zimmer ever went that direction with his defenses.
But could see a blend, a changup, to throw a wrinkle into the mix
And be able to adapt if injury bug hits a position hard etc.

Parcells made him enforce it till he left.

 

[Majic]

Supposedly Patrick C. Walker said that is going to happen. Actually you have Gholston, Tank, and Osa can play ends. Sam and Parsons outside line backer, Mazi nose guard. Kendricks, Overshown, and Clark middle linebacker. They can do it.

Stanback said same

 

[CATCH17]

Base defense doesn’t matter.


Its all about Nickel defense and having dynamic guys in your front 7.

 

[Killerinstinct]

The fact that they are hunting linebackers might mean they are

 

[funkytown817]

If so, they better look at another nose in the draft. Sweat, McKinley Jackson or Jefferson. I dont trust Mazi.

Also its funny that this 3-4 stuff is out there. We are missing a base 4-3 end unless we are planning on starting Gholston or Sam Williams. But it seems like DE is not even being talked about as a possible 1st rounder.

 

[Gambit]

If so, they better look at another nose in the draft. Sweat, McKinley Jackson or Jefferson. I dont trust Mazi.

Also its funny that this 3-4 stuff is out there. We are missing a base 4-3 end unless we are planning on starting Gholston or Sam Williams. But it seems like DE is not even being talked about as a possible 1st rounder.

Sweat has been off my board prior to 5th for awhile now.

The lack of 1t makes it even more confusing why we didn't get one in FA.

 

[xwalker]

Would be a good transition year to make the switch but sadly they can't think ahead. Micah and Sam Williams on the outside, D Law leaving too, good time to be a step ahead but we are always 3 behind.

Both teams in the Super Bowl were 4-3 defenses...

 

[KingintheNorth]

The 4-3 and 3-4 either/or base isn’t really a thing anymore.

Teams are multiple now and if you had to put a scheme label on it, the majority of defenses are a 4-2-5. Defensive lines change their alignment (1Tech,3Tech, 5Tech, etc.,) based on what they think the offense is trying to do.

Personnel is much more critical than scheme now.

DQ uses a Safety as a third LB and Zimmer will likely to use that third LB. Their duties will be 90% the same though. Overshown is basically a big Safety (skill and athleticism) with the size to play LB.

 

[JeffInDC]

Base defense doesn’t matter.


Its all about Nickel defense and having dynamic guys in your front 7.

In today's NFL, the 4-3 is a 4-2-5 and the 3-4 is a 3-3-5. Colleges have been doing these schemes FOR YEARS now - hence, that's why all the players don't seem to fit "traditional" defenses anymore.

 

[Majic]

The 4-3 and 3-4 either/or base isn’t really a thing anymore.

Teams are multiple now and if you had to put a scheme label on it, the majority of defenses are a 4-2-5. Defensive lines change their alignment (1Tech,3Tech, 5Tech, etc.,) based on what they think the offense is trying to do.

Personnel is much more critical than scheme now.

DQ uses a Safety as a third LB and Zimmer will likely to use that third LB. Their duties will be 90% the same though. Overshown is basically a big Safety (skill and athleticism) with the size to play LB.

In today's NFL, the 4-3 is a 4-2-5 and the 3-4 is a 3-3-5. Colleges have been doing these schemes FOR YEARS now - hence, that's why all the players don't seem to fit "traditional" defenses anymore.

This regularly gets posted on this forum, but in my opinion is incorrect. Teams scout certain players based on size, length, bend etc. Certain players will be removed from some boards or down graded because they don't fit the scheme (TJ Watt Cowboys). Teams are aware of what players fit best in which scheme. The 3-4 and 4-3 is very much alive today and teams are still drafting based on what scheme is their base.

 

[JeffInDC]

This regularly gets posted on this forum, but in my opinion is incorrect. Teams scout certain players based on size, length, bend etc. Certain players will be removed from some boards or down graded because they don't fit the scheme (TJ Watt Cowboys). Teams are aware of what players fit best in which scheme. The 3-4 and 4-3 is very much alive today and teams are still drafting based on what scheme is their base.

Tell me what teams still run their defenses with 3 or 4 TRUE LB's on the field the majority of the time?

 

[Majic]

Tell me what teams still run their defenses with 3 or 4 TRUE LB's on the field the majority of the time?

That's not what I am saying.

 

[KingintheNorth]

This regularly gets posted on this forum, but in my opinion is incorrect. Teams scout certain players based on size, length, bend etc. Certain players will be removed from some boards or down graded because they don't fit the scheme (TJ Watt Cowboys). Teams are aware of what players fit best in which scheme. The 3-4 and 4-3 is very much alive today and teams are still drafting based on what scheme is their base.

That was the thinking several years ago.

Your example of TJ Watt is the perfect example of why it’s outdated thinking.

 

[Majic]

That was the thinking several years ago.

Your example of TJ Watt is the perfect example of why it’s outdated thinking.

Teams are still doing it.
Players will be graded but also scheme is taken into account, when drafting. Just look at the scouting reports on this website 'McGinn draft series'. They constantly refer to schemes 3-4, 4-3.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Teams are still doing it.
Players will be graded but also scheme is taken into account, when drafting. Just look at the scouting reports on this website 'McGinn draft series'. They constantly refer to schemes 3-4, 4-3.

And you are also teams adapting "Edge" and "Interior DL" in scouting versus the old school 4-3 DT, 3-4 DT, 3-4 DE, 4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB, etc. You will see the NFL follow soon with how the designate Franchise Tags.

Teams and coaches still have their roots and beliefs in how they were educated/came up in football, but if you chart modern football, you will see less and less traditional 3-4 lineups with 3-4 personnel. Teams will utilize a 4-3 rules but with 4-2-5 or "Nickel" personnel.

More and more players are valued because of "scheme diversity" meaning they can stay on the field no matter how the defensive coordinator plans to match up against the offense.

10 years ago if you polled 32 NFL DC's if they were a 4-3 or 3-4, the results would have been about 60% 4-3 and 40% 3-4.

If you polled them now, 95% would say they are "multiple". It's modern football.

 

[chicago JK]

zimmer is a fine coach. Although I expect a little regression to the defense especially if we don't have a massive change in personnel. Quinn had players who fit his ideal. They were smaller, but could really rush the passer. They were great playing with a lead and turned the ball over a lot. I don't expect better results just because we changed our coordinator. In fact, I expect worse. That is not a knock on Zimmer either.

 

[Majic]

And you are also teams adapting "Edge" and "Interior DL" in scouting versus the old school 4-3 DT, 3-4 DT, 3-4 DE, 4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB, etc. You will see the NFL follow soon with how the designate Franchise Tags.

Teams and coaches still have their roots and beliefs in how they were educated/came up in football, but if you chart modern football, you will see less and less traditional 3-4 lineups with 3-4 personnel. Teams will utilize a 4-3 rules but with 4-2-5 or "Nickel" personnel.

More and more players are valued because of "scheme diversity" meaning they can stay on the field no matter how the defensive coordinator plans to match up against the offense.

10 years ago if you polled 32 NFL DC's if they were a 4-3 or 3-4, the results would have been about 60% 4-3 and 40% 3-4.

If you polled them now, 95% would say they are "multiple". It's modern football.

I don't disagree with your point. But certain teams still look for a certain player based on if they have 3-4 traits or 4-3 or can play both. Else the draft board (DEF) for the Houston Texans would look very similar to the New Engalnd Patriots, when in reality it is different. As you know teams are in nickel 70% of the time, but teams still look for players who suit their base scheme.