We should embrace 3-8

[sonnyboy]

3-8 and out of the playoffs isn't the worst thing that could have happened to the Cowboys.

It feels like it is, but it isn't. The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL.

I supported Wade. He was the best hire at the time and did bring a lot to the table on the defensive side of the ball. Teaming him with a young hot OC in Garrett and a franchise QB made sense.

If it was going to work, it would've happened in the 1st year or two. Wade was never a long term solution as HC for many of the reasons which we've hammer out at length.

Here's what I see this year and next:

• We finsih strong and build confidence throughout the team in themselves and in Garrett.
• We spend all the resources needed to retool our OL. FA signings and draft picks. 5-6 new faces on the 80 man roster and probably 2 new starters.
• We go into 2011 as a favorite and live up to that expectation.

 

[TNCowboy]

3-8 and out of the playoffs isn't the worst thing that could have happened to the Cowboys.

It feels like it is, but it isn't. The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL.

I supported Wade. He was the best hire at the time and did bring a lot to the table on the defensive side of the ball. Teaming him with a young hot OC in Garrett and a franchise QB made sense.

3-8 isn't the worst, but it's pretty terrible. A year in the nfl is a long time and Jerry Jones' bumbling has wasted yet another precious year in the careers of some really good players. Not to mention his inept drafting has left the team perilously thin at several spots.

We were never going to win the SB with Wade, yet Wade was the best hire at the time? That makes zero sense. Somebody out there was a much better fit and Jerry Jones - once again - missed on him in favor of a guy he was comfortable with. Wade was a proven loser with a well-earned reputation of being soft on his players. His career screamed "awful hire", but since he was a good 3-4 coordinator who Jones knew would comfortably dangle on the end of his string, he hired him anyway.

 

[Rynie]

you're right..it could be worse...we could be e-girl fans.

:trophy:

 

[sonnyboy]

3-8 isn't the worst, but it's pretty terrible. A year in the nfl is a long time and Jerry Jones' bumbling has wasted yet another precious year in the careers of some really good players. Not to mention his inept drafting has left the team perilously thin at several spots.

We were never going to win the SB with Wade, yet Wade was the best hire at the time? That makes zero sense. Somebody out there was a much better fit and Jerry Jones - once again - missed on him in favor of a guy he was comfortable with. Wade was a proven loser with a well-earned reputation of being soft on his players. His career screamed "awful hire", but since he was a good 3-4 coordinator who Jones knew would comfortably dangle on the end of his string, he hired him anyway.[/quote]

Where to start?
I never said we never win a SB with Wade. I said if it was going to happen, it would've happen early on in 07 or 08.

Somebody out there was a beter fit? Who? Just because Wade didn't win a SB, doesn't mean there was a legit candidate who would've.

Wade wasn't the comfort fit. That's why Jones took his time. Norv was the comfort fit. But Jones went with who he thought was the best fit.

Wade had an excellent HC record, which he improved on with us from 2007-2009. Far from a proven loser.

 

[TNCowboy]

]3-8 isn't the worst, but it's pretty terrible. A year in the nfl is a long time and Jerry Jones' bumbling has wasted yet another precious year in the careers of some really good players. Not to mention his inept drafting has left the team perilously thin at several spots.

We were never going to win the SB with Wade, yet Wade was the best hire at the time? That makes zero sense. Somebody out there was a much better fit and Jerry Jones - once again - missed on him in favor of a guy he was comfortable with. Wade was a proven loser with a well-earned reputation of being soft on his players. His career screamed "awful hire", but since he was a good 3-4 coordinator who Jones knew would comfortably dangle on the end of his string, he hired him anyway.[/quote]

Where to start?
I never said we never win a SB with Wade. I said if it was going to happen, it would've happen early on in 07 or 08.

Somebody out there was a beter fit? Who? Just because Wade didn't win a SB, doesn't mean there was a legit candidate who would've.

Wade wasn't the comfort fit. That's why Jones took his time. Norv was the comfort fit. But Jones went with who he thought was the best fit.

Wade had an excellent HC record, which he improved on with us from 2007-2009. Far from a proven loser.

:laugh2: The more you post the less sense it makes.

You never said it? "The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL." Your words.

That's all a crock of you know what. All these years of being an HC and Wade finishes with one playoff win. To me, that's a loser, insofar as we're talking about NFL HCs.

Who was the best fit? I don't know who would be best. Likely none of them as long as Jerry Jones is there. I had no ability to interview anyone for the HC job, nor did I have any inside info on any of them whatsoever. At the time, I was hoping for Rex Ryan.

After Parcells, Jones was through "walking on eggshells". Wade was his perfect patsy. A 3-4 veteran coach who would go along lock-step.

 

[sonnyboy]

:laugh2: The more you post the less sense it makes.

You never said it? "The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL." Your words.

That's all a crock of you know what. All these years of being an HC and Wade finishes with one playoff win. To me, that's a loser, insofar as we're talking about NFL HCs.

Who was the best fit? I don't know who would be best. Likely none of them as long as Jerry Jones is there. I had no ability to interview anyone for the HC job, nor did I have any inside info on any of them whatsoever. At the time, I was hoping for Rex Ryan.

After Parcells, Jones was through "walking on eggshells". Wade was his perfect patsy. A 3-4 veteran coach who would go along lock-step.

This season, with this OL. Had we gotten a few more breaks early on, perhaps Wade doesn't get the ax.

Wade won 13 games in 2007. 4 games better than Parcels in his last season. That's not a failure.

He was just what we needed in 2007 and the results proved that out.

He missed his window of opportunity here and had we not fallen off so far this season, it may have been difficult to pull the trigger on him.

The point of the thread is that our improbably, almost unexplainable 1-7 start might just be the best thing that could've happened.
Leading to the neccesary change to get us to the next level.

 

[Chuck 54]

It's too early for anything but predictions, but those who were hoping we'd lose out and end up with the #1 pick are going to be very disappointed. Maybe we lose out...maybe we win 1-2 more games...hard to tell.

Here's my guess, looking at the other current records around the NFL, along with my estimation of the other teams on losing jags.

I think the Dallas Cowboys will be making their first draft pick in round one somewhere between 8-12. I'm going to guess #10.....of course, there's always the chance Jerry moves up .....or down .

Predictions?

I also see the value at DL or DB at that point. I don't see an OL that high this year.

 

[RCowboyFan]

There is not much of choice other than embrace 3-8, because we cannot change it now. Having said that, this season has been the most dissappointing season till Wade Firing.

Garrett has provided plenty of hope. I am on Garrett bandwagon, even before he was named HC, but had doubts about fans accepting him due to offensive failures.

I don't think one or two different starters is enough. They need at least 2 different starters on OL. Then you need probably both safeties replaced. And you hope Sean Lee does indeed replace Brookings at LB.

On top of it, there is got to be open competition on lot of other positions like CB, OL, LB, DL and RB. So while they might be able to turn it around in a year, there will be lot of questions for this team next year.

Last but not least, I am not convinced of Paul Pasqualoni as DC. Don't know if Garrett is, if he gets the job as most expect.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

This season, with this OL. Had we gotten a few more breaks early on, perhaps Wade doesn't get the ax.

Wade won 13 games in 2007. 4 games better than Parcels in his last season. That's not a failure.

He was just what we needed in 2007 and the results proved that out.

He missed his window of opportunity here and had we not fallen off so far this season, it may have been difficult to pull the trigger on him.

The point of the thread is that our improbably, almost unexplainable 1-7 start might just be the best thing that could've happened.
Leading to the neccesary change to get us to the next level.

I consider 2007 a big failure. That was the biggest flop in Cowboy playoff history. The fact that the Giants went on to win the SB only made it worse. I knew right then that the Cowboys weren't going to win anything with Wade. Jerry would have been better making Garrett the HC after Parcells left.

 

[Wrangler87]

It's too early for anything but predictions, but those who were hoping we'd lose out and end up with the #1 pick are going to be very disappointed. Maybe we lose out...maybe we win 1-2 more games...hard to tell.

Here's my guess, looking at the other current records around the NFL, along with my estimation of the other teams on losing jags.

I think the Dallas Cowboys will be making their first draft pick in round one somewhere between 8-12. I'm going to guess #10.....of course, there's always the chance Jerry moves up .....or down .

Predictions?

I also see the value at DL or DB at that point. I don't see an OL that high this year.

It has to be O-line, unless a top RB falls to us then I can't see passing up on that, and trading Choice on draft day. Then go O-line with the next pick and maybe corner with the 3rd.

FS must come via Free Agency and we must get the best young FS on the market this year. I am not going thru two or three years of growing pains at the FS position that you would get with a 1st round draft pick.

 

[Eskimo]

It has to be O-line, unless a top RB falls to us then I can't see passing up on that, and trading Choice on draft day. Then go O-line with the next pick and maybe corner with the 3rd.

FS must come via Free Agency and we must get the best young FS on the market this year. I am not going thru two or three years of growing pains at the FS position that you would get with a 1st round draft pick.

Unfortunately, if we are drafting in the top 10 isn't going to be there at safety, OL or ILB. The top players are likely to be DEs and CBs. Then again, I think we need another pass rusher to complement Ware. We could also use another CB due to Newman's age.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

you're right..it could be worse...we could be e-girl fans.

:trophy:

That trophy case may change this season. I bet it’s fun to be an Eagles fan. Exciting team to watch. I doubt they wouldn’t be happy to be 3-8.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

You ARE what you ARE!






:fact:

 

[DallasEast]

I think the Dallas Cowboys will be making their first draft pick in round one somewhere between 8-12. I'm going to guess #10.....of course, there's always the chance Jerry moves up .....or down .

This is an excellent point which always blows my mind after hearing or reading so-called Jerry Jones observers being shocked after he does just that.

 

[Wrangler87]

That trophy case may change this season. I bet it’s fun to be an Eagles fan. Exciting team to watch. I doubt they wouldn’t be happy to be 3-8.

How many times do the mid-season champions actually end up the Super Bowl Champions. Almost never. We have been where Philly is right now. They will falter in the end.

 

[Falcon554]

3-8 and out of the playoffs isn't the worst thing that could have happened to the Cowboys.

It feels like it is, but it isn't. The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL.

I supported Wade. He was the best hire at the time and did bring a lot to the table on the defensive side of the ball. Teaming him with a young hot OC in Garrett and a franchise QB made sense.

If it was going to work, it would've happened in the 1st year or two. Wade was never a long term solution as HC for many of the reasons which we've hammer out at length.

Here's what I see this year and next:

• We finsih strong and build confidence throughout the team in themselves and in Garrett.
• We spend all the resources needed to retool our OL. FA signings and draft picks. 5-6 new faces on the 80 man roster and probably 2 new starters.
• We go into 2011 as a favorite and live up to that expectation.

How after 3-8 can you think you would go into 2011 as a favorite for anything but last place? This team has been horrible all year long, we now belong with the Lions, Rams, and heck even the Raiders are better.

 

[Mansta54]

That trophy case may change this season. I bet it’s fun to be an Eagles fan. Exciting team to watch. I doubt they wouldn’t be happy to be 3-8.

It may not also.... Just sayin!!!

 

[sonnyboy]

How after 3-8 can you think you would go into 2011 as a favorite for anything but last place? This team has been horrible all year long, we now belong with the Lions, Rams, and heck even the Raiders are better.

You forgot to add a few teams to that last like the Falcons for most of their history.

I wouldn't think a 3-8 team would go into the next year as a favorite.

Now a 1-7 team, who happen to go through a mid season coaching change to finish say 7-9......that's a different story.

 

[Chuck 54]

It has to be O-line, unless a top RB falls to us then I can't see passing up on that, and trading Choice on draft day. Then go O-line with the next pick and maybe corner with the 3rd.

FS must come via Free Agency and we must get the best young FS on the market this year. I am not going thru two or three years of growing pains at the FS position that you would get with a 1st round draft pick.

I think CB (LSU) and Safety (Clemson) are very likely to be top 10 picks, along with DL (Auburn).

Right now it doesn't look like there will be any top 10 offensive linemen, but you never know.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

3-8 and out of the playoffs isn't the worst thing that could have happened to the Cowboys.

It feels like it is, but it isn't. The simple truth is that we were never going to win the SB with Wade and this OL.

Here's what I see this year and next:

• We finsih strong and build confidence throughout the team in themselves and in Garrett.
• We spend all the resources needed to retool our OL. FA signings and draft picks. 5-6 new faces on the 80 man roster and probably 2 new starters.
• We go into 2011 as a favorite and live up to that expectation.

I have to admit. I am so happy that Wade is gone and Garrett is HC. I see us coming back strong next year. The difference will be IT WILL BE FOR REAL. With Wade I always felt like we had to survive the game to win. I dont feel that anymore. I feel like we will develop the kill shot and put teams away. Then run the clock out. The way it should be.

This collapse was needed to get rid of Wade. Because if we went 10-6 and were one and done in playoffs it would have been because of the team not anything Wade did. So ineffective its not funny.

I consider 2007 a big failure. That was the biggest flop in Cowboy playoff history. The fact that the Giants went on to win the SB only made it worse. I knew right then that the Cowboys weren't going to win anything with Wade. Jerry would have been better making Garrett the HC after Parcells left.

2007 was a failure. But I look at 2006 Seattle as worse in hindsight. I think we could have stolen that SB. I know it was Parcells. I am just stating which was worse for me. Because at the end of the day New England thoroughly embarrasses us in that SB if we made it. I believe the Giants were the only team to beat them and they did.