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We are so good that we are winning with the poorest defensive calls possibly in the league. Ok, I wont go that far but here goes.

A. Demarcus Ware starts the game in coverage and plays several meaningful downs there too. I can see every now and then but come on, hes not here to cover people, hes here to sack the QB. Also, Bradie James and Greg Ellis man up with Westbrook on a few plays tonight. Why?????

B. We play the same darn coverage in the secondary on every play. Newman's in the slot, in man coverage verse the slot reciever for the first 5 yards, he then lets him go and wanders over near the sideline and sits down{you know covering his zone). Hes a ghost over there, all the recievers are already 5 yards behind him leaving him to do nothing. Next, Henry and Jones play 8 yards off on every play. They drop 20 yards down the field and play safties. This leaves anywhere from 5-10 yard stops, ins, slants or outs to be had at any time of the night. The frustrating part was in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 3, they were still playing 8 yards off. The Eagles just threw it out wide and got 5 yards and a new set of downs. Lucky Westbrook fumbled. The safties play back 20 yards but look for the recievers who run the deep posts, ins or slants and look for the interception or the pass break up. As you can see by tonight and in all big games last season, good teams know how to beat this coverage. Watch the game again if you can and look for these things.

In addition, I dont know if you noticed but most of McNabbs passes were completed on each hash marks. This is because of the coverage I just mentioned. Thats the area that is wide open; right behind Newman and between the dropping corners and upcoming safties. Mcnabb killed us there tonight and we never changed. I ask anyone to find more than one play that our corners played man to man bump coverage. Let me know what time and what quarter because I didnt find any time which baffles me. Why get good corners to only play like there free agents off the street and were protecting them. We play scared and that style got us beat last year in the playoffs. The Gmen played bump n run and blitz us while we played prevent(end of the 1st half is a prime example.) They went on we didnt. I almost forgot too, is it a wonder why we have zero ints in 2 games? Its kinda hard to pick a pass off when your in this coverage.

In closing, these difficencies dont show their ugly head unless we play a good team. Even then our offense is so good it hides this. The sad part is it usually never hides for a whole season. It got us last year when it counted the most and were back in the same spot. We added Jones, Jenkins and Scandrick but the question begs to be answered does it matter? If your going to play Quarters, Cover 4 the whole game then you need corners who can tackle not cover. Im glad we won but wish I can sit down with Brian Stewart and Wade Phillps for 30 minutes and have a nice Q and A session with them.
 

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playmakers;2262555 said:
We are so good that we are winning with the poorest defensive calls possibly in the league. Ok, I wont go that far but here goes.

A. Demarcus Ware starts the game in coverage and plays several meaningful downs there too. I can see every now and then but come on, hes not here to cover people, hes here to sack the QB. Also, Bradie James and Greg Ellis man up with Westbrook on a few plays tonight. Why?????

B. We play the same darn coverage in the secondary on every play. Newman's in the slot, in man coverage verse the slot reciever for the first 5 yards, he then lets him go and wanders over near the sideline and sits down{you know covering his zone). Hes a ghost over there, all the recievers are already 5 yards behind him leaving him to do nothing. Next, Henry and Jones play 8 yards off on every play. They drop 20 yards down the field and play safties. This leaves anywhere from 5-10 yard stops, ins, slants or outs to be had at any time of the night. The frustrating part was in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 3, they were still playing 8 yards off. The Eagles just threw it out wide and got 5 yards and a new set of downs. Lucky Westbrook fumbled. The safties play back 20 yards but look for the recievers who run the deep posts, ins or slants and look for the interception or the pass break up. As you can see by tonight and in all big games last season, good teams know how to beat this coverage. Watch the game again if you can and look for these things.

In addition, I dont know if you noticed but most of McNabbs passes were completed on each hash marks. This is because of the coverage I just mentioned. Thats the area that is wide open; right behind Newman and between the dropping corners and upcoming safties. Mcnabb killed us there tonight and we never changed. I ask anyone to find more than one play that our corners played man to man bump coverage. Let me know what time and what quarter because I didnt find any time which baffles me. Why get good corners to only play like there free agents off the street and were protecting them. We play scared and that style got us beat last year in the playoffs. The Gmen played bump n run and blitz us while we played prevent(end of the 1st half is a prime example.) They went on we didnt. I almost forgot too, is it a wonder why we have zero ints in 2 games? Its kinda hard to pick a pass off when your in this coverage.

In closing, these difficencies dont show their ugly head unless we play a good team. Even then our offense is so good it hides this. The sad part is it usually never hides for a whole season. It got us last year when it counted the most and were back in the same spot. We added Jones, Jenkins and Scandrick but the question begs to be answered does it matter? If your going to play Quarters, Cover 4 the whole game then you need corners who can tackle not cover. Im glad we won but wish I can sit down with Brian Stewart and Wade Phillps for 30 minutes and have a nice Q and A session with them.

Cowboys, need to scrap the 3-4 defense all together.
 

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ConstantReboot;2262572 said:
Didn't we win the game? Why are so many here upset?

I am ecstatic we won but REMAIN concerned at the number of penalties we continue to lay down.
 

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If u were an Eagles fan, what do you think they were saying about their defense.
 

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Sarge;2262573 said:
I am ecstatic we won but REMAIN concerned at the number of penalties we contnue to lay down.

I agree there's still ALOT of room for improvement(even our 2-0 talented Packers friends have the same penalty problems we do).

However-what really amazes me about this forum is how everyone just ******* and whines about EVERY LITTLE thing that they dislike. If another team gets a couple of first downs, then the entire board goes into a frenzy. If Wade doesn't call out players in his PC, everyone gets mad at him(of course, we wanted Parcells' head for doing JUST THAT). If Jason Garrett makes a bad playcall or 2, we want his head. B/c we had a bad penalty or 2, this board goes into a frenzy. Etc, etc.

Why can't we fans enjoy the win even for few moments? Why do we have to be worried and stressed out over every little thing?
 

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MWILL;2262574 said:
If u were an Eagles fan, what do you think they were saying about their defense.

BINGO! You just took the words right out of my mouth!

Remember all the hype how Stewart Bradley's the next Brian Urlacher? Or how the youth of Bradley/Gaither/Gocong at LB would terrorize defenses? Or how their 3-headed CB monster of Lito/Sheldon/Asante would terrorize opponents' passing games? Or how Brian Dawkins was FINALLY healthy? Or how Quinten Mickels is hugely underrated, and Sean Considine was giving them alot of depth at safety? Or how Darren Howard was back to his old form? Or how Broderick Bunkley made huge strides in yr2 as a starter?

Like I said-you guys continue to amaze me. With ALL the hype Philly was getting over their supposedly "young, fast, and talented" D all offseason and TC...I would be HUGELY dissapointed if I were an Eagles fan.
 

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ConstantReboot;2262572 said:
Didn't we win the game? Why are so many here upset?


I like to call it PPS or Post Parcells Syndrome. Some just can't let go. They will pick apart a win with all the negatives they can find and overlook most of the positives. Just like Parcells used to do. Now that's a head coach. One that can leave his presence behind for the fans to carry on. :D ;)
 

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kojak;2262582 said:
I like to call it PPS or Post Parcells Syndrome. Some just can't let go. They will pick apart a win with all the negatives they can find and overlook most of the positives. Just like Parcells used to do. Now that's a head coach. One that can leave his presence behind for the fans to carry on. :D ;)

Parcells has nothing to do with it. Fans were the EXACT same way before Parcells. You just didn't notice it as much cuz we didn't win as much before him (obviously I'm talking about the campo years).
 

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satam55;2262570 said:
Cowboys, need to scrap the 3-4 defense all together.

Excellent idea. Cut the defense that held the iggles to 7 points and 115 TOTAL yards in the second half.

BRILLIANT!
 

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but he is NOT a Eagles fan...he is a Dallas fan that is concenred...and rightfully so. Everyone said get rid of Jacques Reeves. We did. Sit Roy down. We did. Get rid of Todd Bowles and bring Campo back. We did. Extend Newman for 50m. We did. Draft a CB in the 1st round. We did. Add Pac Man Jones. We did. AND THE COVERAGE STILL IS TERRIBLE. These were 3rd, 4th and 5th WRs the EAgles had on the field. Guys that I am sure everyone here would swear could not make our team (other than Desean Jackson). If we cannot perform better than this, why expend those kind of resources on a bend but don't break defense? Millions, first round picks, more free agents who want there money (Tank, Canty, and soon to be Pac). Again, for what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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jackrussell;2262586 said:
Excellent idea. Cut the defense that held the iggles to 7 points and 115 TOTAL yards in the second half.

BRILLIANT!

Exactly. Nevermind that we gave them 7 points and the refs gave them another 7 points. Oh, and the fact that we've spent the last 6 years drafting players to fit into a 3-4 defense.


Some people obviously don't think before they post. Some people need to slap themselves in the face with a cactus.
 

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We won and to be a neutral/non homer fan we got lucky. This has nothing to do with the Eagles, it has everything to do with us. In the 4th quarter losing by 3 and its 3rd and 3, our dbs are 8 yards off the ball. Mcnabb slings a 2 yard stop route and they get the first. How can that be explianed? You have to rip the coaches call. It would be different if we were going down(giving up 37) with a fight with our dbs straight man up rather than Jackson running a fly on Roy Williams while Pacman has to worry about the short zone. Watch the replay, we were in zone and he split both of them for 70 yards. Pacman had short zone, Roy had deep. Thats just not smart.

Holding the Eagles to 7pts and 115 yards was more them than us in the 2nd half. They had a block in the back, holding that killed two drives. Then they fumbled another. We did step up on the final 2 drives though.
 

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Rack;2262602 said:
Some people obviously don't think before they post. Some people need to slap themselves in the face with a cactus.

It's not that bad.................really it's not.


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playmakers;2262604 said:
We won and to be a neutral/non homer fan we got lucky.

What?! WE got lucky?

The refs gave them 7 points on that BS PI call.

We gave them 7 points with the fumble IN the endzone.

Then the refs screwed up and blew a play dead when it should have been a fumble and allowed Adam Jones to pick up the fumble (that's what he was headed to do when he saw the ref signaling TD).


That's 21 points GIVEN to them.


Sorry, if anything it was the eagles that ALMOST got lucky. We should have won that game by 20+ points.
 

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Thread maker you took the words right out of my mouth.

This coverage scheme they play has to go. I cant believe how stupid Stewart is. Why go out and get good corners but play them 10 yards off the ball? I cant believe we have Stewart as a DC he is the weakest link in the coaching staff. I don't even know if he thinks what the hell he is doing. Yea we won so ****ing what we are looking on into the future. And the offense will not always be there to play lights out. I just want the defense to atleast be decent because i have had it and i now know this defense will never live up to its talent level and potential.
 
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