Week 12 Primer... The New Orleans Saints

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In 1965 the NFL had 14 teams and the AFL had their original 8. That changed in 1966 when both leagues began to realize a need to grow. The NFL added the Falcons. The AFL added the Dolphins. In 1967 the NFL added yet another team to bring their total to 16 teams. That team was the New Orleans Saints.

In 1966 the NFL was split into 2 Divisions. They were the NFL East and the NFL West. The Champions of these 2 divisions faced each other for the NFL Championship as the NFL had since 1933. Prior to 1933 the NFL Champion was awarded to the team with the best record. From 1933 to 1965 the NFL Division winners played each other for the Championship. In 1966 this Champion earned the right to go on to face the AFL Champion in the Super Bowl.

In 1967 the NFL split into four 4 team divisions. They were the NFL Capital, NFL Coastal, NFL Century, and NFL Central Divisions. I have no idea why the letter C was chosen for all four Divisions. I have searched for an answer and never found one.

The Dallas Cowboys were placed in the NFL Capital Division along with the Eagles, Commanders, and the expansion Saints. We swept the Saints who were 3-11. Dallas won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1968 the NFL moved the Saints out of the NFL Capital division and moved the Giants into the NFL Capital. The Saints went to the NFL Century Division. The AFL expanded to 10 teams by adding the Bengals. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1969 the Saints and Giants again swapped Divisions and the Saints were once again a division rival. Dallas again swept the Saints. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown and will forever be the only Champion form that Division.

The next year the 26 teams of the AFL and NFL became one league, the National Football League, and the NFC East was Officially born. Why am I taking you all the way to the AFL-NFL merger? Because a not well known fact is that that merger needed Congressional approval to happen and one caveat demanded by Congressman Hale Boggs to Commissioner Pete Rozelle was that New Orleans be granted a team.

On November 1, 1966 the NFL awarded it's 16th and final original franchise prior to the merger to the New Orleans Saints. The announcement happened on the catholic "All Saints Day" and with New Orleans being noted for jazz music the mascot Saints was quickly chosen and "When the Saints Come Marching In" by Al Hirt became their fight song.

Incidentally, Al Hirt was part of the halftime performances for both of our Super Bowl wins in the 1970's. Both were played in New Orleans. VI was at Tulane Stadium and XII at the Super Dome, the first ever indoor Super Bowl.

A Houston, Texas oil man named John Mecom was the Saints first majority owner. Their colors, black and gold, a tribute to his ties to oil, often called "black gold."

In 1985 Tom Benson purchased the Saints from John Mecom. From their inception in 1967 and up until 1979 the Saints were losers every single season. In 1979 they finished 8-8 for their first ever non losing season. Imagine that Cowboys fans, 12 straight years of sub .500 football before one season of .500 football could even be achieved.

In 1980 the Saints went right back to their losing ways and finished the season 1-15. That year a New Orleans DJ started calling them the Aints and fans began the tradition of being anonymous by putting bags over their heads. In 1983 the Saints again finished 8-8 for their second non losing season.

They didn't have a winning season until 1987 when they finished 12-3. If you are wondering why 15 games, that was the year of the replacement games during the players strike.

The Cowboys and Saints have played each other 23 times. The Cowboys hold the all time edge 15-8. Tom Landry dominated the Saints. He was 11-2 against them. No other Cowboys coach has. Jimmy, Barry, and Wade are the only other coaches to even defeat them. Jimmy twice, Barry and Wade the only time their teams faced them. Gailey and Parcells were both 0-2, Campo was 0-1.

The Cowboys are 27-14-1 all time on Thanksgiving. This will be the first time to face the Saints on Thanksgiving. The lone tie on the ledger was 1969 against the San Francisco 49ers. It is the last tie of 6 in franchise History.
 
Saints will win by 14+

They have greater goals to achieve than the Cowboys. (Best record in the NFC, playoff seeding.)

Not to mention, Saints are finally getting healthy. They will have Sharper, Jenkins, and Bush back.
 
cjjr72984;3712027 said:
Saints will win by 14+

They have greater goals to achieve than the Cowboys. (Best record in the NFC, playoff seeding.)

Not to mention, Saints are finally getting healthy. They will have Sharper, Jenkins, and Bush back.
A Saints fan predicting a Saints win on a Cowboys forum.

I think I shall faint.
 
I think it's going to be a tough game.

I'll be honest and say that I'll be pretty surprised (pleasantly obviously) if we beat them.
 
We have to win the TOP battle and play a complete game in order to win. Our running game MUST get untracked.
 
cjjr72984;3712027 said:
Saints will win by 14+

They have greater goals to achieve than the Cowboys. (Best record in the NFC, playoff seeding.)

Not to mention, Saints are finally getting healthy. They will have Sharper, Jenkins, and Bush back.


The Cowboys had much less chance beating the Giants 2 weeks ago but guess what happened.....

Just Sayin!!
 
Hostile;3712016 said:
In 1965 the NFL had 14 teams and the AFL had their original 8. That changed in 1966 when both leagues began to realize a need to grow. The NFL added the Falcons. The AFL added the Dolphins. In 1967 the NFL added yet another team to bring their total to 16 teams. That team was the New Orleans Saints.

In 1966 the NFL was split into 2 Divisions. They were the NFL East and the NFL West. The Champions of these 2 divisions faced each other for the NFL Championship as the NFL had since 1933. Prior to 1933 the NFL Champion was awarded to the team with the best record. From 1933 to 1965 the NFL Division winners played each other for the Championship. In 1966 this Champion earned the right to go on to face the AFL Champion in the Super Bowl.

In 1967 the NFL split into four 4 team divisions. They were the NFL Capital, NFL Coastal, NFL Century, and NFL Central Divisions. I have no idea why the letter C was chosen for all four Divisions. I have searched for an answer and never found one.

The Dallas Cowboys were placed in the NFL Capital Division along with the Eagles, Commanders, and the expansion Saints. We swept the Saints who were 3-11. Dallas won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1968 the NFL moved the Saints out of the NFL Capital division and moved the Giants into the NFL Capital. The Saints went to the NFL Century Division. The AFL expanded to 10 teams by adding the Bengals. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1969 the Saints and Giants again swapped Divisions and the Saints were once again a division rival. Dallas again swept the Saints. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown and will forever be the only Champion form that Division.

The next year the 26 teams of the AFL and NFL became one league, the National Football League, and the NFC East was Officially born. Why am I taking you all the way to the AFL-NFL merger? Because a not well known fact is that that merger needed Congressional approval to happen and one caveat demanded by Congressman Hale Boggs to Commissioner Pete Rozelle was that New Orleans be granted a team.

On November 1, 1966 the NFL awarded it's 16th and final original franchise prior to the merger to the New Orleans Saints. The announcement happened on the catholic "All Saints Day" and with New Orleans being noted for jazz music the mascot Saints was quickly chosen and "When the Saints Come Marching In" by Al Hirt became their fight song.

Incidentally, Al Hirt was part of the halftime performances for both of our Super Bowl wins in the 1970's. Both were played in New Orleans. VI was at Tulane Stadium and XII at the Super Dome, the first ever indoor Super Bowl.

A Houston, Texas oil man named John Mecom was the Saints first majority owner. Their colors, black and gold, a tribute to his ties to oil, often called "black gold."

In 1985 Tom Benson purchased the Saints from John Mecom. From their inception in 1967 and up until 1979 the Saints were losers every single season. In 1979 they finished 8-8 for their first ever non losing season. Imagine that Cowboys fans, 12 straight years of sub .500 football before one season of .500 football could even be achieved.

In 1980 the Saints went right back to their losing ways and finished the season 1-15. That year a New Orleans DJ started calling them the Aints and fans began the tradition of being anonymous by putting bags over their heads. In 1983 the Saints again finished 8-8 for their second non losing season.

They didn't have a winning season until 1987 when they finished 12-3. If you are wondering why 15 games, that was the year of the replacement games during the players strike.

The Cowboys and Saints have played each other 23 times. The Cowboys hold the all time edge 15-8. Tom Landry dominated the Saints. He was 11-2 against them. No other Cowboys coach has. Jimmy, Barry, and Wade are the only other coaches to even defeat them. Jimmy twice, Barry and Wade the only time their teams faced them. Gailey and Parcells were both 0-2, Campo was 0-1.

The Cowboys are 27-14-1 all time on Thanksgiving. This will be the first time to face the Saints on Thanksgiving. The lone tie on the ledger was 1969 against the San Francisco 49ers. It is the last tie of 6 in franchise History.

Man I love reading these things.

I always learn some stuff that I didn't know. I love reading the history of NFL teams and games.

Thanks for taking the time on these things Hos.
 
cjjr72984;3712027 said:
Saints will win by 14+

They have greater goals to achieve than the Cowboys. (Best record in the NFC, playoff seeding.)

Not to mention, Saints are finally getting healthy. They will have Sharper, Jenkins, and Bush back.


I wish the search function was working Calvin, so I could see what you said last year before the game.
 
skinsscalper;3712356 said:
Love these little history lessons, Hos.

Thanks.

Here is another history lesson.

saints-super-bowl-brees-paytonjpg-a5d76d3a3d8f8661.jpg
 
This may be the best team we face the rest of the year. I am still not sold on the Eagles and Vick, and Indy has had a lot of injuries.

Only have to win FOUR MORE to tie us.
 
rubberneck;3712373 said:


Neat. How many years did it take for you guys to win a play off game, again?

I'll give props to the Saints for their achievement, but let's not pretend that you haven't spent the majority of your life rooting for a basement dweller, there, punko.

I was happy for the Saints last year, believe it or not, but before long you'll be back to the same losing franchise you've always been. Get a tan while the sun's still shining princess.
 
I'm excited to see how some more of Paul P's 4-3 Over generates pressure against the likes of Brees and Manning, P.
 
rubberneck;3712373 said:
Here is another history lesson.

New Orleans Saints

In 43 years

Playoff appearances 7

Division Championships - 4

Conference Championships - 1

Super Bowl Championships - 1

.

Dallas Cowboys

In 50 years

Playoff appearances - 30

Division Championships - 21

Conference Championships - 10

Super Bowl Championships - 5


:laugh2: Now that is a history lesson.
 
zrinkill;3712395 said:
New Orleans Saints

In 43 years

Playoff appearances 7

Division Championships - 4

Conference Championships - 1

Super Bowl Championships - 1

.

Dallas Cowboys

In 50 years

Playoff appearances - 30

Division Championships - 21

Conference Championships - 10

Super Bowl Championships - 5


:laugh2: Now that is a history lesson.

Dont' bother, zrin. The stupid is strong with this one.
 
skinsscalper;3712403 said:
Dont' bother, zrin. The stupid is strong with this one.

Hey thats fine .... and I completely understand why most would think we would not have a chance.

Saints won the SB last year ..... they should be the heavy favorites.

But this troll is not gonna come in here talking about "history" with Cowboy fans.
 
zrinkill;3712410 said:
Hey thats fine .... and I completely understand why most would think we would not have a chance.

Saints won the SB last year ..... they should be the heavy favorites.

But this troll is not gonna come in here talking about "history" with Cowboy fans.

Here's another just for fun: At the pace that the Saints win Super Bowls, their franchise would be 210 years old before they reach 5 of them.

:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 
I'm in New Orleans working. Well, I'm down here collecting a check! Up until last year the natives didn't even know they had a football team down here! An owner that was fixing to move his team to the highest bidder! Oh and talking football with them is like talking to my ex wife about the good times! I contribute it (Stupidity)to mostly be LSU fans also! They just don't get what a dynasty is about! It takes more than 2 years of success to be a dynasty!
 

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