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I'm not in the "must draft a QB" camp. I'm not against us taking one high, even at #4, IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. For purposes of this exercise let's assume that both Goff and Wentz grade out top 5 and Lynch grades out at about the 15th pick range.

Let's assume that Wentz or Goff is selected ahead of us and we have the choice of the remainder between the two at #4. Having said that, let's also assume that you could trade back to say #10 or even #15 range and still get Lynch, which IS a definite possibility. Would you rather draft Wentz or Goff at #4 (whoever is left) or trade back and take Lynch and get one of the stud D.L. with that additional pick.

In fact, you could probably trade back a second time with the 2nd round pick you acquired and get 2 stud interior DL PLUS LYNCH instead of Goff or Wentz. Let's hear your thoughts on the issue.
 
I'm all for getting 2 stud DTs. Move Lawrence to WDE and possibly T. Craw back to SDE. We could have a nasty line for years to come. Throw in a potential franchise QB too and I'd be very happy.
 
Lynch has bust written all over him. I don't want anything to do with him.
 
Verdict said:
I'm not in the "must draft a QB" camp. I'm not against us taking one high, even at #4, IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. For purposes of this exercise let's assume that both Goff and Wentz grade out top 5 and Lynch grades out at about the 15th pick range.

Let's assume that Wentz or Goff is selected ahead of us and we have the choice of the remainder between the two at #4. Having said that, let's also assume that you could trade back to say #10 or even #15 range and still get Lynch, which IS a definite possibility. Would you rather draft Wentz or Goff at #4 (whoever is left) or trade back and take Lynch and get one of the stud D.L. with that additional pick.

In fact, you could probably trade back a second time with the 2nd round pick you acquired and get 2 stud interior DL PLUS LYNCH instead of Goff or Wentz. Let's hear your thoughts on the issue.
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Of the three QBs Lynch is the one I like the most, so yes if we could trade down pick him up and get another high pick (or two) then yes I'm all for it.
 
Lots of ways to look at it.
A bird in hand.............................or
drop no lower then Tampa Bay at 9 I think for their 1st and 2nd we give our 1st and a 6th [guessing].

I have thought about this scenario.
Lynch is self motivated and has grown through his experience. Take him at 9
Now the two 2nds could be traded back into the 15 area of the 1st and grab one of several needs.
Like Zeek, Billings Hargreaves ect.
stay in the second and go DT and CB

The question begs is Lynch a Franchise QB in two/three years.
 
Verdict said:
I'm not in the "must draft a QB" camp. I'm not against us taking one high, even at #4, IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. For purposes of this exercise let's assume that both Goff and Wentz grade out top 5 and Lynch grades out at about the 15th pick range.

Let's assume that Wentz or Goff is selected ahead of us and we have the choice of the remainder between the two at #4. Having said that, let's also assume that you could trade back to say #10 or even #15 range and still get Lynch, which IS a definite possibility. Would you rather draft Wentz or Goff at #4 (whoever is left) or trade back and take Lynch and get one of the stud D.L. with that additional pick.

In fact, you could probably trade back a second time with the 2nd round pick you acquired and get 2 stud interior DL PLUS LYNCH instead of Goff or Wentz. Let's hear your thoughts on the issue.
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I'm taking the remaining quarterback at #4 and gratefully doing so.
 
I would only take a DL IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

As for CB, yeah I'd take one IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

A LB or S? I'd keep an open mind but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

Hey, this is fun.
 
Risen Star said:
I would only take a DL IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

As for CB, yeah I'd take one IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

A LB or S? I'd keep an open mind but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there.

Hey, this is fun.
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lol... what grades are we talking about here???... the ones that some guy in the basement of NFL Network is giving??? Right?
Just remembering the conversation from a couple days ago... having a laugh.

Take a chance on any other position and miss... oh well, try again next year...
Take a chance on a QB and miss... the franchise is hurting for the next 4 years... GMs get fired... well, most GMs do... owners don't get fired...lol
 
RoboQB said:
lol... what grades are we talking about here???... the ones that some guy in the basement of NFL Network is giving??? Right?
Just remembering the conversation from a couple days ago... having a laugh.

Take a chance on any other position and miss... oh well, try again next year...
Take a chance on a QB and miss... the franchise is hurting for the next 4 years... GMs get fired... well, most GMs do... owners don't get fired...lol
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Is that right? First, our GM is fake. He's not going anywhere. He can operate without risk of his job. So that's flushed.

Not finding the QB after Romo and the franchise is hurting until you do. It's more risky than to start throwing answers at the position. I fail to see this we are doomed if we try and fail. I say we're certainly more doomed if we don't try now while we still have a QB who can play in the league.

You rightnow instant production draft guys make me laugh. Okay, we'll sign off on a QB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. You have to rationalize why we wouldn't *******ize the draft so you can see the results immediately. I never read taking a CB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. Same with DL or any other position. It's just QB.
 
Right now, I'm leaning toward Goff. I like the fact that he's played better competition, is more pro-ready than Wentz, is more accurate and has room to put on more weight. He has a bit of Romo in him, and I think he'd make a great protégé for Romo.

Wentz appears more in the Flacco mode, and with all due respect to Flacco, who is a solid quarterback, he just doesn't wow me.

Wentz is to Drew Bledsoe what Goff is to Romo. At least in my untrained eyes.
 
Risen Star said:
You rightnow instant production draft guys make me laugh. Okay, we'll sign off on a QB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. You have to rationalize why we wouldn't *******ize the draft so you can see the results immediately. I never read taking a CB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. Same with DL or any other position. It's just QB.
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What I just do not understand is how the "instant production" people think.

Take a look at the past five drafts, just to keep it simple.

Look at the top five in each.

2015 - Winston, Mariota, Fowler, Cooper, Schreff
2014 - Clowney, Robinson, Bortles, Watkins, Mack
2013 - Fisher, Joeckel, Jordan, Lane Johnson, Ansah
2012 - Luck, Griffin, Richardson, Kalil, Blackmon
2011 - Newton, Von Miller, Dareus, A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson

Which ones put their team "over the top"? Which ones were instant impact and made that huge difference the very next year? How about several years later?

The reality is that there is no one rookie that is that difference maker when you are not a good team.

Well, nuh uh. This is a good team that needs that one player!

This is a delusion is that this really is a 12-4 team that had just a KRAZY year thanks to those darn pesky injuries.

Nevermind the fact Murray left, our top three turnover producting veterans left, the backup situation was deplorable, our coaching staff prepared poorly.

This really is the 2014 Dallas Cowboys, ready and raring to go to reclaim their glory that was stolen in Lambeau. Honest.

And if, even if, that delusion was valid.

Of those 25 players above, ask the same question again. Why are players like Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Joey Bosa etc. considered any more of a difference maker than any of these?

And just looking, some of them, well, that's peculiar, are quarterbacks.
 
Risen Star said:
Is that right? First, our GM is fake. He's not going anywhere. He can operate without risk of his job. So that's flushed.

Not finding the QB after Romo and the franchise is hurting until you do. It's more risky than to start throwing answers at the position. I fail to see this we are doomed if we try and fail. I say we're certainly more doomed if we don't try now while we still have a QB who can play in the league.

You rightnow instant production draft guys make me laugh. Okay, we'll sign off on a QB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. You have to rationalize why we wouldn't *******ize the draft so you can see the results immediately. I never read taking a CB but only IF, and I do mean IF the grade is there. Same with DL or any other position. It's just QB.
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Did you not get that I was agreeing with your comment and having a laugh at the "IF" as well... Lighten up, Francis... You may know half of what you think you know.
 
Alexander said:
What I just do not understand is how the "instant production" people think.

Take a look at the past five drafts, just to keep it simple.

Look at the top five in each.

2015 - Winston, Mariota, Fowler, Cooper, Schreff
2014 - Clowney, Robinson, Bortles, Watkins, Mack
2013 - Fisher, Joeckel, Jordan, Lane Johnson, Ansah
2012 - Luck, Griffin, Richardson, Kalil, Blackmon
2011 - Newton, Von Miller, Dareus, A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson

Which ones put their team "over the top"? Which ones were instant impact and made that huge difference the very next year? How about several years later?

The reality is that there is no one rookie that is that difference maker when you are not a good team.

Well, nuh uh. This is a good team that needs that one player!

This is a delusion is that this really is a 12-4 team that had just a KRAZY year thanks to those darn pesky injuries.

Nevermind the fact Murray left, our top three turnover producting veterans left, the backup situation was deplorable, our coaching staff prepared poorly.

This really is the 2014 Dallas Cowboys, ready and raring to go to reclaim their glory that was stolen in Lambeau. Honest.

And if, even if, that delusion was valid.

Of those 25 players above, ask the same question again. Why are players like Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Joey Bosa etc. considered any more of a difference maker than any of these?

And just looking, some of them, well, that's peculiar, are quarterbacks.
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Good post !
 
Alexander said:
What I just do not understand is how the "instant production" people think.

Take a look at the past five drafts, just to keep it simple.

Look at the top five in each.

2015 - Winston, Mariota, Fowler, Cooper, Schreff
2014 - Clowney, Robinson, Bortles, Watkins, Mack
2013 - Fisher, Joeckel, Jordan, Lane Johnson, Ansah
2012 - Luck, Griffin, Richardson, Kalil, Blackmon
2011 - Newton, Von Miller, Dareus, A.J. Green, Patrick Peterson

Which ones put their team "over the top"? Which ones were instant impact and made that huge difference the very next year? How about several years later?

The reality is that there is no one rookie that is that difference maker when you are not a good team.

Well, nuh uh. This is a good team that needs that one player!

This is a delusion is that this really is a 12-4 team that had just a KRAZY year thanks to those darn pesky injuries.

Nevermind the fact Murray left, our top three turnover producting veterans left, the backup situation was deplorable, our coaching staff prepared poorly.

This really is the 2014 Dallas Cowboys, ready and raring to go to reclaim their glory that was stolen in Lambeau. Honest.

And if, even if, that delusion was valid.

Of those 25 players above, ask the same question again. Why are players like Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Joey Bosa etc. considered any more of a difference maker than any of these?

And just looking, some of them, well, that's peculiar, are quarterbacks.
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The only true difference makers I see in your list are QBs.
 
Here is what Dave Gettleman, the GM of the current NFC Champion, has to say about the draft:



Wait, what?

You mean no instant impact day one starters?
 
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