Wentz vs Prescott showdown

[superonyx]

I live in Philly and maybe you just hang out with Foles lovers but there is not nearly the Wentz concern you claim. Most fans point out what I said....... Wentz has his issues but he’s also played with arguably the worst WR corps in the NFL the last few weeks.

Sanders, their TB, is way more talented than any WR they have.

Is he an elite QB? Nope. But the nitpicking seems reactionary due to the fact we have our own issues with our own QB.

All you need to do is listen to WIP and you will hear the concern the fans have about Wentz.
My take isnt reactionary and has zero to do with Dak. One being good doesnt make the other one bad. I'm not one of those fans.
Wentz has crap at WR right now. But the fact that his teams played better when Foles took over twice now is real. The eagles players that have spoken to reporters about Wentz is real.
So him coming out and completing 25 passes to TE's and RB's shows me nothing to say the concerns the eagles fans have over him have somehow been answered.

You accused me of being bias and not being objective. You wanted to read it this way for your own reasons. But nothing I said was bias and nothing I said about Wentz has anything at all to do with my thoughts on Dak.

 

[superonyx]

....Meh. Right now, Wentz>Dak=Goff.

Wentz may not be a "leader" but if you can win in crunch time and win big games, who cares? Who cares if he only throws to TE's? As long as they win and are productive, why does that matter? Dak was also 7-7 in one of the biggest games of his career and failed to serve his dish. He has tangibles that can be fixed. Leadership can be fixed with ethical/personality changes. Better WR's will change that problem.

Dak has unfixable problems. Accuracy, Footwork, Pocket presence, seeing ghosts, etc. Yes, Dak has an amazing work ethic, and he has a great leadership persona. That, however, is not enough sometimes. And it isn't enough in this situation. I want him to succeed, but his intangibles make that very, VERY hard. His decision making has been the worst this season than in the past. His peak may have been the Vikings/Lions games.

Goff is just an idiot sometimes. He throws the best balls out of Wentz and Dak, but also throws the stupidest balls and interceptions. We saw what he was capable of last year when they went to the Superbowl and battled the Chiefs 54-52 or something like that? His work ethic is also questionable, but his only real problem is reading defenses, which can be fixed if he actually cared more about football. Once he does that and makes better decisions, he will take off. He has a higher ceiling than Dak and Wentz IMO.

Give me Goff IMO. Dak is average at best. He has the best weapons out of all these QB's, yet can't do a single thing with them. Yes, he has the worst HC, but Dak still struggles to do many passes and things you'd expect him to do, even with bad playcalling.

Check Wentz's career in crunch time up to this point.
Don't let a drive against the 3-11 giants or 3-11 skins fool you. Part of the concern people have with Wentz is his poor play during crunch time.

I see Goff as soft. He throws a nice touch on the deep ball. But overall he looks like Josh Rosen to me.
All of these guys have some flaws. All of them are good enough to win with the right team around them also. None are looking like Mahommes or Brees at this point. But thats ok. Those guys are rare and chasing one will usually lead a team to be flipping through bust for years to come.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

LOL you do realize I need to see more than a QB completing 25 out of 31 passes to TE's and RB's before I claim he is a real franchise QB right?

Well all you need to do is look at the games where he had Alshon Jeffries or Deshaun Jackson or Agholar playing and you will have your answer

 

[superonyx]

Well all you need to do is look at the games where he had Alshon Jeffries or Deshaun Jackson or Agholar playing and you will have your answer

Unfortunately for Wentz I have. This is why he has the reputation he has in Philly.
He is a fumbling machine who has also been a choker.
None of my analysis is based on 1 game. There is a reason philly fans keep wondering if they should have kept Foles around. I’m not making this stuff up. I live in the philly market. I know these people.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Unfortunately for Wentz I have. This is why he has the reputation he has in Philly.
He is a fumbling machine who has also been a choker.
None of my analysis is based on 1 game. There is a reason philly fans keep wondering if they should have kept Foles around. I’m not making this stuff up. I live in the philly market. I know these people.

So 1st he doesn't throw to his WR i answer that so now he is a fumbling machine.....well all i know is with a completely depleted WR corps he managed to throw for 1 TD's today and lead his team to a victory in the biggest game of the season to date, seems to me he earned that big contract he signed at the beginning of the season today playing with WR who basically came off the practice squad while our guy put up 3 FG's earning a chance at a franchise tag for next season. One guy is a franchise QB who showed up today the other guy isn't


Wentz 30 fumbles 35 INT's
Dak 21 fumbles 36 INT"s

 

[Pola_pe_a]

The Eagles have realized 3 weeks ago they need to protect Wentz from himself.
Anyone who has watched the Eagles the last few weeks see a team that only lets the QB throw to the RB's out of the backfield and the TE's sitting down in the zone.
This is not even hard to see.

But the Dak haters will come and pound their chest.

Wentz completed 31 passes.
6 were to WR's

Let that sink in/

His entire WR core consists of an underachieving 2nd rd rookie and two practice squad players. He was missing his RT and he still outplayed Dak, let that sink in.

Why would a team lacking WR talent force the ball downfield? That would be as stupid as having a really good running back and not using him in a close game,

 

[Risen Star]

Wentz destroyed him. Again.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

At this point I would say Dak.
Wentz over Goff.
The philly fans have real concerns over Wentz. His team doesnt seem to like him and his leadership has been called into question. He tends to throw most of his passes to the TE's which has his WR's unhappy. The fact that he is 4 years in the league, was 7-7 and this was the biggest game of his career shows you something. The guy hasnt won a single playoff game in his career. He has good arm talent. Him being a franchise QB is still a question mark.

Just being objective. Dak has his flaws also. Throws off his back foot too often and needs a very clean pocket to keep his fundamentals from getting off and leading to slight accuracy issues.
None of these 3 are top 5 QB's at this point. But I would take Dak because you can win with a guy like that.

Not quite.

The people who still doubt Wentz are Foles lovers who still want him. Or they are those unrealistic idiots who don’t think players can ever be off. Look around there’s quite a few of those here too.
The team not liking him is horsesh*t. That was based on an unnamed source (Alshon) who was also complaining about not getting the ball. I guess you didn’t notice all the players coming to his defense immediately after that came out,
Foles targeted Ertz as much as Wentz did. Literally there was less than 1 target per game difference.

This year Dak has played better than Wentz but he’s had much more to work with, Long term I’d take Wentz over Dak all day long.

 

[nate dizzle]

As poorly as Dak played, that game is more on the coaches. The gameplan was horrible. Only giving Zeke 13 carries is criminal.


His entire WR core consists of an underachieving 2nd rd rookie and two practice squad players. He was missing his RT and he still outplayed Dak, let that sink in.

Why would a team lacking WR talent force the ball downfield? That would be as stupid as having a really good running back and not using him in a close game,

Eagles sold out to stop Zeke and consistently had 8 men in the box. They were betting Dak couldn't beat them through the air and they were right.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

Eagles sold out to stop Zeke and consistently had 8 men in the box. They were betting Dak couldn't beat them through the air and they were right.

Yeah didn’t actually mean to write that, The Eagles stacked the box but the Cowboys needed to keep running now and again to keep play action working. He did have some success as the game wore on.
Not running him 3rd and short is crazy.

 

[Blue&Silver]

All you need to do is listen to WIP and you will hear the concern the fans have about Wentz.
My take isnt reactionary and has zero to do with Dak. One being good doesnt make the other one bad. I'm not one of those fans.
Wentz has crap at WR right now. But the fact that his teams played better when Foles took over twice now is real. The eagles players that have spoken to reporters about Wentz is real.
So him coming out and completing 25 passes to TE's and RB's shows me nothing to say the concerns the eagles fans have over him have somehow been answered.

You accused me of being bias and not being objective. You wanted to read it this way for your own reasons. But nothing I said was bias and nothing I said about Wentz has anything at all to do with my thoughts on Dak.

Wentz was 11-2 when Nick Foles took over in 2017. I remember everyone on these boards said now that Wentz was gone the Eagle had no chance to win a Super Bowl that year. I remember saying he can because he wasn't as dynamic, but can be steady and when he gets hot he's good.

WIP is not a good source for getting the pulse of Eagles fans. The biggest concern with Wentz's why isn't he playing as good as he's played in the past at points this year it's not that he isn't good or talented. He had to adjust to a new way of playing without wide receivers and without being able to stretch the field which is something he does best. If he finishes 8 and 8 I think he's had his best year overcoming obstacles he's had to this year.

I've also said Nick Foles is not a starting NFL quarterback. He's a prototypical backup that wins games when he's hot but is very average to below average the rest of the time.

We should have won yesterday, and there's no excuses. I'm glad in a way because we'll be better for it with a new coaching staff.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Eagles sold out to stop Zeke and consistently had 8 men in the box. They were betting Dak couldn't beat them through the air and they were right.

Prescott's biggest problem was our receivers dropping balls. It looked like they all bet their money on the Eagles winning and were helping the cause.

 

[mcmvp]

All you need to do is listen to WIP and you will hear the concern the fans have about Wentz.
My take isnt reactionary

If your take isn’t reactionary then it is woefully uneducated. If you are attempting to take the pulse of the entire Eagle fan base off of what you hear some idiot fans say on a sports radio show, it’s no wonder you hold the opinion you do.

Unless your name is Brady, an NFL QB is going to have some in his own fan base that don’t support him. Your problem is you are painting with a rather large brush here.

Do you really consider it wise to use sports radio, a vehicle that thrives in controversy and ‘hot takes’, as the accurate barometer for what a correct overall opinion of a fan base is? If you do, then I can’t help you.

 

[Section446]

Wentz made Dak his *****. Not hard to do though...

 

[nate dizzle]

Prescott's biggest problem was our receivers dropping balls. It looked like they all bet their money on the Eagles winning and were helping the cause.

He had 19 incompletions. I recall 3 drops.

 

[shabazz]

Prescott's biggest problem was our receivers dropping balls. It looked like they all bet their money on the Eagles winning and were helping the cause.

Sure, if you over look all the overthrows and balls thrown in the dirt or un-catchable ones. Face it. He sucked yesterday

 

[erod]

Prescott's biggest problem was our receivers dropping balls. It looked like they all bet their money on the Eagles winning and were helping the cause.

Wrong.

Trying to catch Dak passes is truly like herding cats . Receivers have no idea where it's going, how much velocity it will have, or how wobbly the spiral will be.

He's throwing wild change-ups and knuckleballs out there.

Teams have zero fear of Dak. They don't have to gameplay for him. They don't respect his game. He's easy to defend.

He's a weak link.

 

[superonyx]

His entire WR core consists of an underachieving 2nd rd rookie and two practice squad players. He was missing his RT and he still outplayed Dak, let that sink in.

Why would a team lacking WR talent force the ball downfield? That would be as stupid as having a really good running back and not using him in a close game,

If you took away the TE and RB option they would have to force it downfield.
I’m not disparaging him or the eagles for doing what they did. I’m upset we let them.

But I’m not crowning a QB elite who completed 25 passes to TEs and RBs and only 6 to WRs.

 

[superonyx]

Wentz was 11-2 when Nick Foles took over in 2017. I remember everyone on these boards said now that Wentz was gone the Eagle had no chance to win a Super Bowl that year. I remember saying he can because he wasn't as dynamic, but can be steady and when he gets hot he's good.

WIP is not a good source for getting the pulse of Eagles fans. The biggest concern with Wentz's why isn't he playing as good as he's played in the past at points this year it's not that he isn't good or talented. He had to adjust to a new way of playing without wide receivers and without being able to stretch the field which is something he does best. If he finishes 8 and 8 I think he's had his best year overcoming obstacles he's had to this year.

I've also said Nick Foles is not a starting NFL quarterback. He's a prototypical backup that wins games when he's hot but is very average to below average the rest of the time.

We should have won yesterday, and there's no excuses. I'm glad in a way because we'll be better for it with a new coaching staff.

I live in the philly market. My sources of eagles fans are most of my friends, my family, my coworkers. Not just WIP.

Wentz didn’t have these dynamic stretch the field WRs in years past either. He wasn’t playing well even when he had Agholar, Jefferies, ect.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Wrong.

Trying to catch Dak passes is truly like herding cats . Receivers have no idea where it's going, how much velocity it will have, or how wobbly the spiral will be.

He's throwing wild change-ups and knuckleballs out there.

Teams have zero fear of Dak. They don't have to gameplay for him. They don't respect his game. He's easy to defend.

He's a weak link.

Rewatch the game, and the drops. My grandmother could have made those catches. Quarterbacks don't complete 100% of their passes, but if they can muster above 60% they'll win games in the NFL.