Were Ferguson and Hendershot that bad last season?

[Coogiguy03]

That there's all this talk of drafting a TE early in the draft? We complain about getting a RB early in the draft, but we at least have 2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position. I don't get the thinking on this one, now if it's for #3 TE ok fine. Or do they feel they need to replace Shultz? I don't see why, the reason why we were comfortable letting him go is because the young guys showed promise! Please give your thoughts ....

 

[big dog cowboy]

Draft grades. Lots of good TE's this year. Many have 1st/2nd round grades.

It's not about replacing Schultz. It's drafting the best player and it could be a TE.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Draft grades. Lots of good TE's this year. Many have 1st/2nd round grades.

It's not about replacing Schultz. It's drafting the best player and it could be a TE.

I hear you I just feel as you said there's a lot of good ones this year, we shouldn't jump that high for a guy who probably won't play too much to start out. I say at this point I'd look at trading down just my thoughts.

I know we used multiple right tight ends a lot last season to be honest, so it's whatever I guess!! I just want one who gets down field easily, anything to help #4

 

[baltcowboy]

That there's all this talk of drafting a TE early in the draft? We complain about getting a RB early in the draft, but we at least have 2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position. I don't get the thinking on this one, now if it's for #3 TE ok fine. Or do they feel they need to replace Shultz? I don't see why, the reason why we were comfortable letting him go is because the young guys showed promise! Please give your thoughts ....

Ferguson and Hendershot played well for a 4th round pick and a UDFA. Shultz was clearly the better tight end and his production needs to be replaced. I think the Cowboys plan is to throw the football to CeeDee, Cooks, Gallup, and Pollard more but the Cowboys need a solid all around tight end.

 

[reddyuta]

I feel they were very under used.Dak threw too many times to Schultz even though he had no YAC ability and average Catch percentage.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Ferguson and Hendershot played well for a 4th round pick and a UDFA. Shultz was clearly the better tight end and his production needs to be replaced. I think the Cowboys plan is to throw the football to CeeDee, Cooks, Gallup, and Pollard more but the Cowboys need a solid all around tight end.

None of them can be all around??

 

[baltcowboy]

None of them can be all around??

Ferguson maybe. Saw some good things from him but it a big jump for him to get to Shultz’s level next season. Dak didn’t trust either of them at the end of the season. We have one of the worst tight end position groups in the league right now.

 

[SexyDexy52]

“No position has seen more evolution in the NFL over the past three decades than tight end, and it’s very clear when looking at the draft year RAS of players like Tony Gonzalez. So many players were elite in their day, but wouldn’t stack up against the athletic freaks that come out of college nowadays. The top dog here is former Jets first rounder Anthony Becht, but you’ll find a whole list of great tight ends among the elite athletes here with very few outliers. More than perhaps any other position, elite athletes win at tight ends.”
https://ras.football/2017/01/17/te-relative-athletic-scores-ras-table/

The quote above is from the linked website. I recommend checking out the R.A.S. table for TE’s. Perhaps you will see that while there are outlier’s, statement holds true, “More than perhaps any other position, elite athletes win at tight ends.”

D. Schultz - 7.20

Jake Ferguson - 6.80

Peyton Hendershot - 8.39

J. Witten - 8.83

It was recently written in an article that MM likes athletic playmaking TE’s. So look for guys higher than Jermichael Finley’s score of: 6.42. Ferguson doesn’t really cut the mustard (Hendershot to some extent) when you look at it from the “elite athlete perspective.” And again as the linked article states, elite athletes have a higher win percentage at TE more than any other position.To me the TE position, in particular, boils down to “the better the athlete, the better the chance of them becoming an elite weapon for your offense.” So why not attempt to give your team a major upgrade and a chance to win in crunch time against tough teams that we have struggled to beat the last few years? That catch by Kittles in the playoff game sealed the Cowboys fate last season. Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the other side of that scenario? If the Cowboys had an elite TE they may not have been in the predicament they found themselves in after TP went down.

If you want to win, what better chance do you have than weapons at a lot of positions. When one weapon is shut down, another can take up the slack.

2023 TE’s

Kincaid DNP

Kuntz - 10

Washington - 9.88

Schoonmaker - 9.86

Musgrave - 9.77

Kraft - 9.67

Laporta - 9.49

 

[SexyDexy52]

I have been wanting an “elite athlete” TE for quite a long time.
The potential for big mismatches is always what OC’s are looking for, to take advantage of the defense. These big athletic TE’s are too big for DB’s to cover and too fast for LB’s.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'd be perfectly fine with both Hendershot and Ferguson as the #1/2 TEs on the roster. With that said though I'm not opposed if an upgrade is available too. TE can be one of the toughest positions to transition to from college to pro so there is no guarantee that both Ferguson and Hendershot continue to improve or shine in a larger role. This years draft has not just some good TEs, but some absolute studs who can likely be plug and play types with high ceilings. You have the Dalton Kincaid types who can be the best receiving TE day 1 on this roster. You also have a Darnell Washington type that instantly becomes the best blocking TE on this roster, that one by a long shot.

I see both current TEs as potentially really good players, but you don't let a Dalton Schultz type of ceiling keep you from drafting a Travis Kelce type of ceiling.....especially at a position where you can get everyone on the field.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Walter Football Mock has Dallas taking TE Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame in the first.

 

[SexyDexy52]

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=15426&ovl=Notre+Dame

Mayer is an ok athlete at 7.58. A little more athletic than D. Schultz, but is that little bit worth that high of a pick. I know measurables don’t mean everything or tell you everything but they do tell you a lot about how a player is going to translate to the field. I’d be very leery of drafting him that high. I know he has produced in College but his measurables are less than desirable for a first rounder…I personally wouldn’t pull the trigger on him unless he was by far the best player on the board because I am searching for a true difference maker with my 1st pick.
If Mayer was my only option at TE, I’d definitely look at my other options/positions before drafting him. Again only because I would be looking for a difference maker.

 

[xwalker]

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=15426&ovl=Notre+Dame

Mayer is an ok athlete at 7.58. A little more athletic than D. Schultz, but is that little bit worth that high of a pick. I know measurables don’t mean everything or tell you everything but they do tell you a lot about how a player is going to translate to the field. I’d be very leery of drafting him that high. I know he has produced in College but his measurables are less than desirable for a first rounder…I personally wouldn’t pull the trigger on him unless he was by far the best player on the board because I am searching for a true difference maker with my 1st pick.
If Mayer was my only option at TE, I’d definitely look at my other options/positions before drafting him. Again only because I would be looking for a difference maker.

Mayer is Witten 2.0

 

[InPhiltraitor]

Mayer is Witten 2.0

So what you're saying is we'll throw him a three yard out as he's running East or West so he can then carry a tackler out of bounds for a 3.5 yard gain.

Not blaming Whit, this was play-calling at it's finest. .

 

[baltcowboy]

Mayer is Witten 2.0

Fans act like that is a bad thing. A possible first round pick being compared to a future Hall of Famer. Mayer is really good. He never had a quarterback at Notre Dame either. Sadly he will either be in Washington or with the Chargers.

 

[cnuball21]

“No position has seen more evolution in the NFL over the past three decades than tight end, and it’s very clear when looking at the draft year RAS of players like Tony Gonzalez. So many players were elite in their day, but wouldn’t stack up against the athletic freaks that come out of college nowadays. The top dog here is former Jets first rounder Anthony Becht, but you’ll find a whole list of great tight ends among the elite athletes here with very few outliers. More than perhaps any other position, elite athletes win at tight ends.”
https://ras.football/2017/01/17/te-relative-athletic-scores-ras-table/

The quote above is from the linked website. I recommend checking out the R.A.S. table for TE’s. Perhaps you will see that while there are outlier’s, statement holds true, “More than perhaps any other position, elite athletes win at tight ends.”

D. Schultz - 7.20

Jake Ferguson - 6.80

Peyton Hendershot - 8.39

J. Witten - 8.83

It was recently written in an article that MM likes athletic playmaking TE’s. So look for guys higher than Jermichael Finley’s score of: 6.42. Ferguson doesn’t really cut the mustard (Hendershot to some extent) when you look at it from the “elite athlete perspective.” And again as the linked article states, elite athletes have a higher win percentage at TE more than any other position.To me the TE position, in particular, boils down to “the better the athlete, the better the chance of them becoming an elite weapon for your offense.” So why not attempt to give your team a major upgrade and a chance to win in crunch time against tough teams that we have struggled to beat the last few years? That catch by Kittles in the playoff game sealed the Cowboys fate last season. Wouldn’t it be nice to be on the other side of that scenario? If the Cowboys had an elite TE they may not have been in the predicament they found themselves in after TP went down.

If you want to win, what better chance do you have than weapons at a lot of positions. When one weapon is shut down, another can take up the slack.

2023 TE’s

Kincaid DNP

Kuntz - 10

Washington - 9.88

Schoonmaker - 9.86

Musgrave - 9.77

Kraft - 9.67

Laporta - 9.49

I like Schoonmaker / LaPorta in the 3rd waaaaaaay more than someone like Mayer in the 1st.

The floor might be lower, but the athleticism gives you more ceiling and their tape is good enough where I see very low bust factor.

 

[xwalker]

Fans act like that is a bad thing. A possible first round pick being compared to a future Hall of Famer. Mayer is really good. He never had a quarterback at Notre Dame either. Sadly he will either be in Washington or with the Chargers.

Who said it was bad?

 

[gimmesix]

That there's all this talk of drafting a TE early in the draft? We complain about getting a RB early in the draft, but we at least have 2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position. I don't get the thinking on this one, now if it's for #3 TE ok fine. Or do they feel they need to replace Shultz? I don't see why, the reason why we were comfortable letting him go is because the young guys showed promise! Please give your thoughts ....

I think a couple of things are in play (with fans, not necessarily with the front office).

There are two or three first-round tight ends, so even with Ferguson and Hendershot, there is the possibility of getting a weapon like Kelce or Kittle.

Second, it's hard to know if either Ferguson or Hendershot can be the No. 1 guy. The young guys showed promise (which is why I'm not sure Dallas would draft a TE early), but right now, that's all that we've got. Players who showed promise in a backup role have failed at times when given a bigger role. Defenses get more tape on them to figure out how to stop them and focus more on them.

 

[SexyDexy52]

Mayer is Witten 2.0

Mayer wishes he is Witten 2.0.
More like Schultz 2.0.
And Schultz is basically year 15 Witten.
Hahaha J/K

I'm sure he'll be a fine player but would you rather have Greg Ellis (good decent player but not a difference maker) or Randy Moss (one of the best WR to ever play the game)?

 

[T-RO]

2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position.

Our two tight ends are capable...not in any way special.

This draft has 6, maybe 8 tight ends that would be a big upgrade. Perhaps three or four tight ends that would usher in a massive upgrade over what we have now.