Were Ferguson and Hendershot that bad last season?

[baltcowboy]

Who said it was bad?

Just reading the comments about the Cowboys drafting a tight end on the threads. I seen posters write they don’t want a Witten they want Kelse if we drafting a tight end in the first.

 

[TwoDeep3]

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=15426&ovl=Notre+Dame

Mayer is an ok athlete at 7.58. A little more athletic than D. Schultz, but is that little bit worth that high of a pick. I know measurables don’t mean everything or tell you everything but they do tell you a lot about how a player is going to translate to the field. I’d be very leery of drafting him that high. I know he has produced in College but his measurables are less than desirable for a first rounder…I personally wouldn’t pull the trigger on him unless he was by far the best player on the board because I am searching for a true difference maker with my 1st pick.
If Mayer was my only option at TE, I’d definitely look at my other options/positions before drafting him. Again only because I would be looking for a difference maker.

I see stats and analysis and all kinds of suppositions about players entering the draft. But one of the aspect of drafting is how that player fits within the system and produces. And there really isn't a stat which portends this information. maybe the Magic Eight-ball.

Did anyone really see Witten as being the player he was? How about Romo? What did his analytics say?

My personal belief strays from the conventional wisdom. If this is a weak draft, but you get a solid player, then who cares? This is not my pet cat.

But since we are speculating...

1. https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/images/fball/cowboysb_logo.gif Dallas Cowboys: Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/college/NotreDame_logo.gif
   The Cowboys are deseprate for offensive play-makers. They traded for Brandin Cooks, but that's not enough. They need to replace Dalton Schultz.
   The next NFL tight end to come out of Notre Dame, Michael Mayer murdered opponents with high production over the middle of the field.

 

[Aven8]

I don’t think they go TE because he of the upside of Fergs and Hendershot.

 

[speedkilz88]

Ferguson flashed better talent than Schultz. I think he's going to be really good. Hendershot reminds me of Jarwin, hopefully he can stay healthier. If they draft a TE I think it will be someone that they can use as a weapon in the passing game. They would love to trade for Kyle Pitts.

 

[xwalker]

Mayer wishes he is Witten 2.0.
More like Schultz 2.0.
And Schultz is basically year 15 Witten.
Hahaha J/K

I'm sure he'll be a fine player but would you rather have Greg Ellis (good decent player but not a difference maker) or Randy Moss (one of the best WR to ever play the game)?

There is not a Randy Moss level talent in this draft.

 

[Rayman70]

we are just fine at TE. Drafting a TE is a luxury not a need. We have needs 2 fill first at 26 and 58,90. After that, maybe we can think about a TE.

 

[Rayman70]

I don’t think they go TE because he of the upside of Fergs and Hendershot.

and I agree. We have enuff at TE.

 

[SexyDexy52]

There is not a Randy Moss level talent in this draft.

Ok so let me say it in a different way so you can not get caught up in names I used as examples….

Starter vs Difference Maker

Enough said.

Have a great day.

 

[CherBoyWade]

That there's all this talk of drafting a TE early in the draft? We complain about getting a RB early in the draft, but we at least have 2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position. I don't get the thinking on this one, now if it's for #3 TE ok fine. Or do they feel they need to replace Shultz? I don't see why, the reason why we were comfortable letting him go is because the young guys showed promise! Please give your thoughts ....

No they weren't that bad, quite good for backups. Still doesn't change the fact that if one of them is starting, they're likely one of your worst starters on the roster—offense or defense. Not that that's a *huge* deal with TE being one of the lesser important positions overall, but it's still a clear weakness. And as many have pointed out over and over again, it's an unusually strong/deep TE class and there's a pretty decent chance BPA at 26 is a TE. Dak loves using his TE as a security blanket. Think it'd be silly not to snag one at some point

 

[CherBoyWade]

As far as the Mayer vs Schultz comps go. I agree athleticism can be quite important. The fact that Mayer is not much more athletic than Schultz can be a cause for concern. I think it's important to compare their college success on the field as well though.

Schultz: 33 GP (red-shirted as a freshman), 55 REC, 555 YDS, 10.1 AVG, 5 TDs
Mayer: 36 GP (started over NFL TEs Tommy Tremble and Brock Wright as a true freshman), 180 REC, 2099 YDS, 11.7 AVG, 18 TDs

Not to mention Mayer is a stronger blocker now than Schultz was entering his draft. I feel like a lot of people on here see Mayer/Kinkaid as another Schultz, when in reality their ceilings are much higher because they're far more advanced at this stage of their development process than someone like Schultz ever was. Not to say they're a lock to be better than him, he's a solid starting TE, but there's certainly more to work with early on.

 

[CherBoyWade]

Ok so let me say it in a different way so you can not get caught up in names I used as examples….

Starter vs Difference Maker

Enough said.

Have a great day.

I think this is where the disconnect is. The appeal for the pro-TE crowd is that at 26 Mayer or Kinkaid might be the best "difference makers" left on the board. There's a reason those two, like Bijan, are consistently higher on big boards then they are on mock drafts. Most teams don't want a RB or TE first round, that might leave one of those 2 positions as BPA when we're on the clock.

 

[xwalker]

we are just fine at TE. Drafting a TE is a luxury not a need. We have needs 2 fill first at 26 and 58,90. After that, maybe we can think about a TE.

They have the least experience at TE of any position...

 

[TheCoolFan]

They weren't bad but they're still pretty unproven. A lot of their passes came on plays where the defense really didn't focus on them or they were simple plays designed to them (ex: play action, rollouts, etc.) That's life as TE2 or TE3. But if they want to be TE1 then they have to show the consistent ability to line up and get open

 

[Teague31]

Broaddus was on the draft show saying the team likes Hendershot more than Ferguson. FWIW

 

[Rayman70]

They have the least experience at TE of any position...

and drafting another with 0 experience in the NFL will help? The logic makes 0 sense.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That there's all this talk of drafting a TE early in the draft? We complain about getting a RB early in the draft, but we at least have 2 guys capable of running the show at the TE position. I don't get the thinking on this one, now if it's for #3 TE ok fine. Or do they feel they need to replace Shultz? I don't see why, the reason why we were comfortable letting him go is because the young guys showed promise! Please give your thoughts ....

I happen to think that they were fine. I can see the value of getting one later in the draft like a Kuntz or a Tucker Kraft. However, just drafting a TE early is a bit overkill imo.

 

[Rayman70]

the only way a team drafts a TE at 26 is because they think the guy is Kelce and even he was not an early draftee. Its crazy talk. I suspect this is a huge smokescreen. If a guy like Levis slides, we are drafting him at 26. Then we will see fireworks. I think anything is on the table at 26 but TE isnt 1 of them.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I happen to think that they were fine. I can see the value of getting one later in the draft like a Kuntz or a Tucker Kraft. However, just drafting a TE early is a bit overkill imo.

Exactly

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Exactly

Yes, I mean, unless we were to trade one of our other TEs, but I think Ferguson IS the replacement for Schultz.

 

[SexyDexy52]

Broaddus was on the draft show saying the team likes Hendershot more than Ferguson. FWIW

Thanks for sharing this. It doesn't surprise me. Hendershot's RAS score is much better than Fergusons. His athleticism is much more inline with that if the modern TE.