We're gonna need a bigger boat

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"I'm a player and I crush alot."

Big Pun, "Don't wanna be a Playa," with a little creative license.


That is a dated movie reference followed by a dated song reference before you have any idea what this is about. The wait has only just begun...

Recently, my boys demanded to watch Jaws...I have no idea who planted the seed... really guys, it wasn't me, I pinky swear. Nevertheless, you could say I am guilty of granting their request. For the first half of the movie they were clearly bored and disturbed by the sharks iconic monologues in the movie. It wasn't until Roy Schneider as Sheriff Brody uttered the most recognizable and memed lines from the movie, "we're going to need a bigger boat" that my kids found the edge of their seat, forgetting to blink at times. In a moment that will be etched in my memory for life, both my boys erupted in a celebratory roar when the shark exploded at the end...it was a rare moment of solidarity that only fellow parents can relate to.

Usually, you struggle to remember being that stupid. Young boys, you see, have suicidal tendencies, but not because they are depressed. It's more of a curiosity killed the cat type of death wish. Somewhat understandable, nevertheless, a never ending source of stress.

This last anecdote, admittedly, was more about suspense than substance. So I'll get to the point.

There has been this assumption that Marinelli is still attempting to recreate what he had in Tampa. I think his thinking has changed to combat what the NFL is doing today. Players with flexibility to be used across the line in a variety of looks, trump the tweener RDE / 3-4 OLB. Beyond the obvious run stopping ability, due to being more difficult to be pushed out of the play, they also crush alot. They exhaust the offensive line, the QB and the RB with each meeting.

Furthermore, they have the ability to employ any defense appropriate to defend against any offense...the 3-2-6, in particular, comes to mind.

So, in response to the NFL's evolution to creating mismatches through the constant switching up of looks to expose defenses; in particular, their ability to push the undersized passrusher DE out of the play, the Cowboys simply got a bigger boat.

Thoughts?
 

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"I'm a player and I crush alot."

Big Pun, "Don't wanna be a Playa," with a little creative license.


That is a dated movie reference followed by a dated song reference before you have any idea what this is about. The wait has only just begun...

Recently, my boys demanded to watch Jaws...I have no idea who planted the seed... really guys, it wasn't me, I pinky swear. Nevertheless, you could say I am guilty of granting their request. For the first half of the movie they were clearly bored and disturbed by the sharks iconic monologues in the movie. It wasn't until Roy Schneider as Sheriff Brody uttered the most recognizable and memed lines from the movie, "we're going to need a bigger boat" that my kids found the edge of their seat, forgetting to blink at times. In a moment that will be etched in my memory for life, both my boys erupted in a celebratory roar when the shark exploded at the end...it was a rare moment of solidarity that only fellow parents can relate to.

Usually, you struggle to remember being that stupid. Young boys, you see, have suicidal tendencies, but not because they are depressed. It's more of a curiosity killed the cat type of death wish. Somewhat understandable, nevertheless, a never ending source of stress.

This last anecdote, admittedly, was more about suspense than substance. So I'll get to the point.

There has been this assumption that Marinelli is still attempting to recreate what he had in Tampa. I think his thinking has changed to combat what the NFL is doing today. Players with flexibility to be used across the line in a variety of looks, trump the tweener RDE / 3-4 OLB. Beyond the obvious run stopping ability, due to being more difficult to be pushed out of the play, they also crush alot. They exhaust the offensive line, the QB and the RB with each meeting.

Furthermore, they have the ability to employ any defense appropriate to defend against any offense...the 3-2-6, in particular, comes to mind.

So, in response to the NFL's evolution to creating mismatches through the constant switching up of looks to expose defenses; in particular, their ability to push the undersized passrusher DE out of the play, the Cowboys simply got a bigger boat.

Thoughts?


they had 3 daddies in tampa.
they could play however they want...
 

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they had 3 daddies in tampa.
they could play however they want...
I do wonder, though if they would be considered as good today as they were then.

Think about it:

The NFL is a reactionary community; it evolves at a fairly steady rate. The more common approach to this principle is to say copy cat league. Every year, every team unleashing their unique approach to combat last year's most successful innovations from both sides of the ball. I believe one such innovation is being employed by the Cowboys considering the Switzer pick. It's an offense that advocates the quick release followed by quick players creating yards after the catch.

While I'm not saying they wouldn't be successful, in this era it has become difficult to get to the quarterback because of players exactly like them forcing front offices to place more importance behind drafting ol early and revamp their offenses to get rid of the ball fast.
 

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I do wonder, though if they would be considered as good today as they were then.

Think about it:

The NFL is a reactionary community; it evolves at a fairly steady rate. The more common approach to this principle is to say copy cat league. Every year, every team unleashing their unique approach to combat last year's most successful innovations from both sides of the ball. I believe one such innovation is being employed by the Cowboys considering the Switzer pick. It's an offense that advocates the quick release followed by quick players creating yards after the catch.

While I'm not saying they wouldn't be successful, in this era it has become difficult to get to the quarterback because of players exactly like them forcing front offices to place more importance behind drafting ol early and revamp their offenses to get rid of the ball fast.

well yes, players are bigger, faster.
so you have to up their stats accordingly say suh, donald and mack on the D.
if you can generate killer rush with 4, you have 7 defenders against a combination of 5 WR/TE/RB.

i like the 'innovation' with switzer/beasley combinations also.
however, is it that different than the west coast offense?
they said the run was obsolete, but how many 1st round RBs were taken this year because of zeke?
 

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well yes, players are bigger, faster.
so you have to up their stats accordingly say suh, donald and mack on the D.
if you can generate killer rush with 4, you have 7 defenders against a combination of 5 WR/TE/RB.

i like the 'innovation' with switzer/beasley combinations also.
however, is it that different than the west coast offense?
they said the run was obsolete, but how many 1st round RBs were taken this year because of zeke?
That still helps my point. Because teams are handcuffed to the innovations the draft and their cap let's them adopt. Some will try to recreate the Patriots success. Some will try to recreate the Cowboys success. The Cowboys will try to do both. {Chills}
 

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That still helps my point. Because teams are handcuffed to the innovations the draft and their cap let's them adopt. Some will try to recreate the Patriots success. Some will try to recreate the Cowboys success. The Cowboys will try to do both. {Chills}

i see what you are saying, but the only 2 real innovation i see are:
1. bear 46 defense
2. west coast offense

everything else seems like a variation of a theme to me.
i dont think the cowboys innovated but rather realized the defense adjustments to passing offenses made them vulnerable to old way fashion smashed mouth football.

like bk and i shown, there is a lot of cap space and almost no way to use it all.
not signing one good DB this year forced our hand in the draft.
of course, they executed the plan excellently, but they could have carpet bombed the DLs instead of the DBs.
 
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i see what you are saying, but the only 2 real innovation i see are:
1. bear 46 defense
2. west coast offense

everything else seems like a variation of a theme to me.
i dont think the cowboys innovated but rather realized the defense adjustments to passing offenses made them vulnerable to old way fashion smashed mouth football.

like bk and i shown, there is a lot of cap space and almost no way to use it all.
not signing one good DB this year forced our hand in the draft.
of course, they executed the plan excellently, but they could have carpet bombed the DLs instead of the DBs.
Are we seriously migrating back to the Cowboys should have over-compensated on dl instead of cb debate? If so, I know your stance and I respect it. But the Cowboys already have quite a few faces at dl that they aren't sure exactly what they have. Tapper, Taco, second year Collins, the Free Agent additions, healthier DLaw. How will the change in secondary personnel help or hurt the passrush? Until we see, all we can do is speculate. But for the moment I think the Cowboys are more opportunistic and became so over the course of three days. Gotta love it.
 

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Are we seriously migrating back to the Cowboys should have over-compensated on dl instead of cb debate? If so, I know your stance and I respect it. But the Cowboys already have quite a few faces at dl that they aren't sure exactly what they have. Tapper, Taco, second year Collins, the Free Agent additions, healthier DLaw. How will the change in secondary personnel help or hurt the passrush? Until we see, all we can do is speculate. But for the moment I think the Cowboys are more opportunistic and became so over the course of three days. Gotta love it.

i respect your stance also.

if tapper did not have that back condition, i would be far less unhappy.
tapper and willis are pretty close to me, though it appears that willis did more at school.

the fa additions seem like cheap bandaids to me.
paea, even with his 50 reps, was signed to a 1 year contract.
the fact that we drafted cbs by carpet bombing kind of confirmed what a lot of us thought about the philly cb.

the cowboys did a real good job executing the draft based on their strategy.

well we do need something to keep us arguing until rookie camp
unfortunately for you guys, i will be running one more scenario of the payroll projections :lmao:
 
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i respect your stance also.

if tapper did not have that back condition, i would be far less unhappy.
tapper and willis are pretty close to me, though it appears that willis did more at school.

the fa additions seem like cheap bandaids to me.
paea, even with his 50 reps, was signed to a 1 year contract.
the fact that we drafted cbs by carpet bombing kind of confirmed what a lot of us thought about the philly cb.

the cowboys did a real good job executing the draft based on their strategy.

well we do need something to keep us arguing until rookie camp
unfortunately for you guys, i will be running one more scenario of the payroll projections :lmao:
I have a more in depth post in mind for the 3-2-6, but "carpet bombing" the cb position had more to do with that defensive look than their thoughts on Carroll.
 

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we researched it.
it is healed but it is not like jaylon's condition.
it will likely be a management thing depending on his back handles football.
athletes often go back to their sport particularly if no surgery was involved.
it does appeared no surgery was involved despite what espn said.
however not clear about recurrence or if things could get worse.
that is the problem.
 

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I have a more in depth post in mind for the 3-2-6, but "carpet bombing" the cb position had more to do with that defensive look than their thoughts on Carroll.

i think marinelli prefer nascar formation over 3-2-6 but we simply dont have the horses.
really missed those preseason games when the hardy-gregory-tcrawford nascar was unveiled and we were applying intense pressure.
or when hardy was beating the crap out of brady in the 1st half and romo said to brady see you in the superbowl in 2015...
i suspect 3-2-6 was one of the alternatives they tried when the quality of the DL was not there.
still remember the pure DT formation because our line was so poor.

 

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"I'm a player and I crush alot."

Big Pun, "Don't wanna be a Playa," with a little creative license.


That is a dated movie reference followed by a dated song reference before you have any idea what this is about. The wait has only just begun...

Recently, my boys demanded to watch Jaws...I have no idea who planted the seed... really guys, it wasn't me, I pinky swear. Nevertheless, you could say I am guilty of granting their request. For the first half of the movie they were clearly bored and disturbed by the sharks iconic monologues in the movie. It wasn't until Roy Schneider as Sheriff Brody uttered the most recognizable and memed lines from the movie, "we're going to need a bigger boat" that my kids found the edge of their seat, forgetting to blink at times. In a moment that will be etched in my memory for life, both my boys erupted in a celebratory roar when the shark exploded at the end...it was a rare moment of solidarity that only fellow parents can relate to.

Usually, you struggle to remember being that stupid. Young boys, you see, have suicidal tendencies, but not because they are depressed. It's more of a curiosity killed the cat type of death wish. Somewhat understandable, nevertheless, a never ending source of stress.

This last anecdote, admittedly, was more about suspense than substance. So I'll get to the point.

There has been this assumption that Marinelli is still attempting to recreate what he had in Tampa. I think his thinking has changed to combat what the NFL is doing today. Players with flexibility to be used across the line in a variety of looks, trump the tweener RDE / 3-4 OLB. Beyond the obvious run stopping ability, due to being more difficult to be pushed out of the play, they also crush alot. They exhaust the offensive line, the QB and the RB with each meeting.

Furthermore, they have the ability to employ any defense appropriate to defend against any offense...the 3-2-6, in particular, comes to mind.

So, in response to the NFL's evolution to creating mismatches through the constant switching up of looks to expose defenses; in particular, their ability to push the undersized passrusher DE out of the play, the Cowboys simply got a bigger boat.

Thoughts?

Sorry but He never said we. He said " you are gonna need a bigger boat"

Youve just experienced the Mendella Effect

 

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i see what you are saying, but the only 2 real innovation i see are:
1. bear 46 defense
2. west coast offense

everything else seems like a variation of a theme to me.
i dont think the cowboys innovated but rather realized the defense adjustments to passing offenses made them vulnerable to old way fashion smashed mouth football.

like bk and i shown, there is a lot of cap space and almost no way to use it all.
not signing one good DB this year forced our hand in the draft.
of course, they executed the plan excellently, but they could have carpet bombed the DLs instead of the DBs.
The Tampa-2 with the MLB dropping deep was at least as innovative as the 46. The 46 didn't really get used that much and the 85 Bears could have crushed most offenses on talent alone regardless of scheme.
 

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The Tampa-2 with the MLB dropping deep was at least as innovative as the 46. The 46 didn't really get used that much and the 85 Bears could have crushed most offenses on talent alone regardless of scheme.

thought the tampa 2 is old school and teams like the steelers used it.
whereas all the fancy zone blitz schemes came from the 46?
with the talent in the team focused in the lbs, the defense may need to play more 3 man fronts if the dl talent is just not there.
 

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thought the tampa 2 is old school and teams like the steelers used it.
whereas all the fancy zone blitz schemes came from the 46?
with the talent in the team focused in the lbs, the defense may need to play more 3 man fronts if the dl talent is just not there.
The zone blitz was used in other defenses without the 46.
 
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