We're we starting Orton or Peyton Manning?

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Jerry,

Please fire Howdy Doody. The experiment is done. All I want to see is Garrett heading out of town with bags in tow.. Period.

Thanks,

Bleu

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Murray: 17
McCoy: 27

Jerry,

Please fire Howdy Doody. The experiment is done. All I want to see is Garrett heading out of town with bags in tow.. Period.

Thanks,

Bleu

PS. You ripped my heart out again. Amazing.

Sorry bud but the red headed stranger is coming back
 

Tusan_Homichi

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Juuuuuuust a bit ridiculous.

I'm so ready for change and it doesn't appear to be coming.
 

Smith22

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The pass to run ratio under JG is disgusting. Unexplainable really.

It should be a top priority to be addressed, same with the defense.
 

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Right.. The point is that winning teams exhibit a much more balanced mixture of run/pass. Look at what the Eagles did last night. 26/27. That is what you call great coaching. They realized that we were getting pressure on Foles and tapped into the run a little heavier. Meanwhile, on the other side of the field, we were chucking it down the field like Orton was the second coming. He did well last night but I counted no less than 5 crucial 3rd & short situations last night where handing the ball off would have been good medicine. We're so laughably predictable on offense.

The pass to run ratio under JG is disgusting. Unexplainable really.

It should be a top priority to be addressed, same with the defense.
 

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4th and short pass to Murray....

I was pissed when we punted on 4th and 2 from the Eagles 40 as well. Everyone knew coming in that our defense wasn't very good and that Philly would score some points. Attack when you can!! Attack!!
 

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I would not shed any tears if Garrett was fired. However, I see play calling as a league wide epidemic. Everybody is trying to be Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers.

The massive use of the shotgun is even a bigger issue. It negates effectively running the ball and eliminates any big plays off of play action.





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I saw so many plays last night where we used shotgun.. Thereby taking away any illusion or possibility of a run. The play action pass was absent last night and it should have been a healthy part of the mix. Callahan needs to go. If Garrett does indeed stay, we needs a really good "proven" OC in there to compliment him. We do NOT need to go back to Garrett sharing the HC/OC duties. He is already in over his head. Watching him coach is the equivalent of watching Jeff Heath out there trying to play safety. Heath was a "project" from day one and Garrett falls into the same category.

I would not shed any tears if Garrett was fired. However, I see play calling as a league wide epidemic. Everybody is trying to be Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers.

The massive use of the shotgun is even a bigger issue. It negates effectively running the ball and eliminates any big plays off of play action.





YR
 

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I saw so many plays last night where we used shotgun.. Thereby taking away any illusion or possibility of a run. The play action pass was absent last night and it should have been a healthy part of the mix. Callahan needs to go. If Garrett does indeed stay, we needs a really good "proven" OC in there to compliment him. We do NOT need to go back to Garrett sharing the HC/OC duties. He is already in over his head. Watching him coach is the equivalent of watching Jeff Heath out there trying to play safety. Heath was a "project" from day one and Garrett falls into the same category.

I would keep Callahan on the O-Line, but remove him from play calling duties.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rob Chudzinski becoming the O-Coordinator. He runs virtually the same system, but is much more innovative (he just needs a better QB than Derek Andersen, Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell). He seems to have fallen in with the rest of the league in all of this pass happy, shotgun nonsense though.

Still, we need a HC that is willing to run the ball.

I think he's fallen a bit in love with the stat-heads (myself included) who are obsessed with passing the ball. The problem with the stat-heads is that most of them have never painted an accurate picture of what exactly the importance of the running game is.

Last night I watched a few plays and noticed that on a 2-yard running play for the Cowboys, they were going to run off about 30-40 seconds off the clock. This was between the time the play was run to the next play with the clock moving because it was a running play. Compare that versus an incomplete pass where you may run off about 5-7 seconds. You also have a porous defense to worry about. So I would take 2nd and 8 with 35 seconds ran off the clock than 2nd and 10 with 6 seconds ran off the clock.

It also plays too much into the hands of what the defense wants to do. It lets the defense dictate how the play will be ran if you go to shotgun every time they show blitz or stack the box.

I don't mind a lot of shotgun and passing if you're absolutely gouging AND scoring at will against the defense from that formation. But those times are few and far between and the penalty for not executing is too severe.




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I would keep Callahan on the O-Line, but remove him from play calling duties.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rob Chudzinski becoming the O-Coordinator. He runs virtually the same system, but is much more innovative (he just needs a better QB than Derek Andersen, Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell). He seems to have fallen in with the rest of the league in all of this pass happy, shotgun nonsense though.

Still, we need a HC that is willing to run the ball.

I think he's fallen a bit in love with the stat-heads (myself included) who are obsessed with passing the ball. The problem with the stat-heads is that most of them have never painted an accurate picture of what exactly the importance of the running game is.

Last night I watched a few plays and noticed that on a 2-yard running play for the Cowboys, they were going to run off about 30-40 seconds off the clock. This was between the time the play was run to the next play with the clock moving because it was a running play. Compare that versus an incomplete pass where you may run off about 5-7 seconds. You also have a porous defense to worry about. So I would take 2nd and 8 with 35 seconds ran off the clock than 2nd and 10 with 6 seconds ran off the clock.

It also plays too much into the hands of what the defense wants to do. It lets the defense dictate how the play will be ran if you go to shotgun every time they show blitz or stack the box.

I don't mind a lot of shotgun and passing if you're absolutely gouging AND scoring at will against the defense from that formation. But those times are few and far between and the penalty for not executing is too severe.




YR

Great perspective. I completely agree. I would even be good with Callahan being reduced to coaching only the offensive line. What about Frank Pollack? Isn't he the mastermind that brought the zone blocking scheme to Dallas? I thought that was one of the major positives of the year. It would make sense to keep building the line around that scheme because it appears to open holes and make pretty much any runner look better than he grades out. I would like to keep Frank around too.
 

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Just how long are we expected to train up our HC to figure out that sometimes its a good thing to run the ball?
 

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Orton: 46 (really?)
Foles: 23

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McCoy: 27

Jerry,

Please fire Howdy Doody. The experiment is done. All I want to see is Garrett heading out of town with bags in tow.. Period.

Thanks,

Bleu

PS. You ripped my heart out again. Amazing.

My heart was ripped out long ago with this team. I'm a robot at this point. Your story tells the tale between a team that is playing next weekend and one that is not. Every dip-wad out there knew that Dallas should run the ball more, everyone except the dolts that call the plays.
 

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Only 3 times all year did Peyton throw the ball more times than Orton did last night. JOKE!
 
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