West Coast Offense.

[Galian Beast]

Would Gruden's WCO compliment the talents we have at receiver and quarterback?

I think the west coast offense really opens things up, but at the same time I don't know how great our receivers are at running their routes.

Anyone have more in depth analysis or understanding of the WCO and how it would apply to our personnel?

 

[Hostile]

The routes would be shorter. We're closer to Air Coryell than we are to a WCO.

 

[ShiningStar]

I remember when Zorn installed the WCO in the Skins offense and everyone wanted it. That was his first season and they took off at 6-0. Ahh the memories.

 

[craig71]

I remember when Zorn installed the WCO in the Skins offense and everyone wanted it. That was his first season and they took off at 6-0. Ahh the memories.

And finished 8-8 if my memory serves me correctly.


Craig

 

[Galian Beast]

And finished 8-8 if my memory serves me correctly.


Craig

i think it has to do with more that just the scheme, but the personnel as well.

From what I can tell the west coast offense is exactly what our offense isn't. I am becoming more and more pro-gruden the more i read up on him.

 

[craig71]

i think it has to do with more that just the scheme, but the personnel as well.

I should have been clearer, I was just making a reference to that particular year in Washington, not in a broad sense.

From what I can tell the west coast offense is exactly what our offense isn't. I am becoming more and more pro-gruden the more i read up on him.

There are several different versions of the WCO, it really depends on which version you get. I guess what I'm getting at is that the WCO that started in SF has morphed into various ways. Some deciphels have more intermediate routes, some have more deep routes, and some still use alot of short passes as a running game. Andy Reid would be a good example of using alot of short passes instead of a running game. If you are wanting to know about the transition to a WCO, look up some information from the Vick days in Atlanta. I want to say that they hired a WCO guy, he was saying that the transition time would be three years. I wish I could tell you more, but all that I remember three years before the full playbook would be available and it was Atlanta with Vick at the helm. Maybe Petrino was the HC when this was happening.


Craig

 

[ShiningStar]

And finished 8-8 if my memory serves me correctly.


Craig

Its not a shot at you, but sometimes its harder changing personnel for certain schemes, and if a good coach can do it im on board with it, but the grass isnt always greener on the other side.

Its speculation anyway because all of us dont know whos going to be the next coach, but I think we are all rooting and see THERE is going to be a new coach.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think Romo is a lot different from Vick though. I'm not sure that that matters, but I don't know if it would take 3 years.

But when I'm talking WCO here I'm talking about Jon Gruden.

 

[craig71]

Its not a shot at you, but sometimes its harder changing personnel for certain schemes, and if a good coach can do it im on board with it, but the grass isnt always greener on the other side.

Its speculation anyway because all of us dont know whos going to be the next coach, but I think we are all rooting and see THERE is going to be a new coach.

As I told Galian, I wasn't making the remark in a broad sense, just was talking about that season. I should have been clearer in my initial reamarks.

Craig

 

[ShiningStar]

As I told Galian, I wasn't making the remark in a broad sense, just was talking about that season. I should have been clearer in my initial reamarks.

Craig

my fault too, i should have said in the broader aspect it doesnt really matter because lets face it, a new scheme is coming with a new coach and nothing is definite til the new coach is in place, I would prefer hes named at the end of the season so he has the whole offseason to do as he wants.

Whether it be WCO, timing, 2 TE set, who knows, its all speculation. Fun speculation, but we wont know til we know who we get.

My question is does anyone think Austin and Dez would be better in a long arm qb offense or something short and quick like the WCO. Either way i want the new coach to maximize and build around Dez and Austin.

 

[craig71]

I think Romo is a lot different from Vick though. I'm not sure that that matters, but I don't know if it would take 3 years.

But when I'm talking WCO here I'm talking about Jon Gruden.

I'm not trying to compare Vick to Romo at all.

I don't know how long the transition would be "here". That tidbit about three years just stuck in my head after I heard the remark.

Gruden IMO is more like Reid. Now, I'll be honest and say that I haven't seen all that many games coached by Gruden. The few games I did see were littered with a bunch of passes to the HB. Think Felix in the Minnesota game when I say short passing game to the RB. I don't remember seeing alot of shots downfied either. But like I said, I haven't seen alot of Gruden games and really shouldn't come to a conclusion about him. I consider Gruden a retread, but there are people that think highly of him.


Craig

 

[craig71]

my fault too, i should have said in the broader aspect it doesnt really matter because lets face it, a new scheme is coming with a new coach and nothing is definite til the new coach is in place, I would prefer hes named at the end of the season so he has the whole offseason to do as he wants.

Whether it be WCO, timing, 2 TE set, who knows, its all speculation. Fun speculation, but we wont know til we know who we get.

My question is does anyone think Austin and Dez would be better in a long arm qb offense or something short and quick like the WCO. Either way i want the new coach to maximize and build around Dez and Austin.

I would think that Romo is who needs to be comfortable, I say that because I believe that Dez, Roy and Austin can run certain routes at any depth whether it be short, intermediate or deep. I think what hurts Romo in the short passing game at times is his lack of height. Unless he has a lane to see through, he can't see over the line at times and will misjudge what the defense is doing. I think Henderson picking him off in Minnesota would be an example of this, I think the line shielded Henderson from Romo's view just long enough to create a blind spot for Henderson to hide in. Anyway, I may be totally wrong about what I just typed but it is something to watch for in the future.


Craig

 

[dreghorn2]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2000.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2001.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002.htm

Jon Grudens final two Oakland seasons, and his Superbowl winning team in Tampa the following year.

Should give an idea of the types of players he had and the type of offenses he ran with them.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Would Gruden's WCO compliment the talents we have at receiver and quarterback?

I think the west coast offense really opens things up, but at the same time I don't know how great our receivers are at running their routes.

Anyone have more in depth analysis or understanding of the WCO and how it would apply to our personnel?

that seems to be some of our problem, I believe you can see it in the yards per play this year and compare it to years past. we don't threaten deep as it is, WCO would just assure status quo.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I would think that Romo is who needs to be comfortable, I say that because I believe that Dez, Roy and Austin can run certain routes at any depth whether it be short, intermediate or deep. I think what hurts Romo in the short passing game at times is his lack of height. Unless he has a lane to see through, he can't see over the line at times and will misjudge what the defense is doing. I think Henderson picking him off in Minnesota would be an example of this, I think the line shielded Henderson from Romo's view just long enough to create a blind spot for Henderson to hide in. Anyway, I may be totally wrong about what I just typed but it is something to watch for in the future.


Craig

I doubt that its a height thing. I think its because the play is designed for a quick pass to a TE. Something that can easily be blocked. I recall the days though Romo would pump fake those and the Dline would put of their hands. That would buy him time and he would hit an open man. Now we rely too much on those quick short passes that are predictable. Don't know why we can't go downfield once and in a while to test the coverage. Thats what makes me soo frustrated with Garrett. He took the strength of the team and has forgotten to use it.

 

[CATCH17]

If you like dinks and dunks than you'll love John Gruden.


Remember the Raiders with Rich Gannon? Thats what it's like.


Best bet is just to keep this style of Offense and get a better Oline because with the receivers we have we should be able to pressure teams better downfield.



The Oline is just so bad though that it's time to rehaul and im starting with Davis, Colombo, then Gurode.