We've signed 2 OGs in last week -- Leffew & now Berger..

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CowboyManDan;1187269 said:
Is there any concern that Rivera might be a little banged up or his back is bothering him again? There was one play on tueky day that he simply got blown back very badly. He is the guy I think we need to replace 1st for next year and let go of his hefty salary.

Yea, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not an offensive line guru, but I thought he had played decent this year. That play tells me that there are guys just physically more dominant than him, which shouldnt happen if you are a guard IMO.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1187311 said:
Agreed.

These people that think we're just going to "drop our pants" to draft a 1st round OT are out of their collective minds.
I dont think we take any oline on day 1 of the draft. I am thinking unless an "impact" player drops, we go all defense day 1.
 

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burmafrd;1187357 said:
Wasn't it around this time last year that BP grabbed Columbo?
Our scouting department does an excellent job at scanning other teams' practice squads and the waiver wire. Remember CB Lance Frazier? I thought he was a solid pickup, but got caught in a numbers crunch.
 

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dogunwo;1187614 said:
I dont think we take any oline on day 1 of the draft. I am thinking unless an "impact" player drops, we go all defense day 1.


True...The oline is not as bad as people make it out to be and next season it will be better. Rivera is history! Al Johnson is history! Fabini? History! They signed these guys for next season and we all know how BP does it. I do think they will look to upgrade the LT position so Adams may be history to.

The draft will be about defense in the early rounds and OL in the latter round.

I honestly think that jerry will go out and sign a FA guard like steibach and a starting LT but that my opinion.

It will be interesting to see the off season moves to add to an already talented team.
 

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There might be some nasty cap fallout if we cut Rivera. I remember Mickey saying we had to get three years from him.
 

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I have two words for what i hope happens at guard next year...Eric Steinbach.

Young, talented, proven. Put him at LG move Kosier over to RG, unload Rivera and we have two quality starters and decent depth.

Then we are free to draft that OT...and no, I'm not out of my mind...we heard all the cheese about big Rob last year, having a great offseason only to get cut.

McQ has been inactive the whole season and before we bring up Fabini being able to play both spots, just remember that was the same excuse we used on Peterman.

Feel good story aside, we would be foolish to not draft a tackle early based on the "potential" of a low pick who hasn't seen the active roster...that is what I'd call being out of your mind.;)
 

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blindzebra;1187635 said:
I have two words for what i hope happens at guard next year...Eric Steinbach.

Young, talented, proven. Put him at LG move Kosier over to RG, unload Rivera and we have two quality starters and decent depth.

Then we are free to draft that OT...and no, I'm not out of my mind...we heard all the cheese about big Rob last year, having a great offseason only to get cut.

McQ has been inactive the whole season and before we bring up Fabini being able to play both spots, just remember that was the same excuse we used on Peterman.

Feel good story aside, we would be foolish to not draft a tackle early based on the "potential" of a low pick who hasn't seen the active roster...that is what I'd call being out of your mind.;)
Why move Kosier? He's catching his groove in his spot now. If Steinbach is all he is cracked up to be, then he should be able to play RG. Plus, Steinbach is going to be a top-tier FA. There is no way Jerry gets into a bidding war with other teams. Our recent history shows signing of solid mid-tier FAs. I wouldnt gamble on us signing any big name guys.
 

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dogunwo;1187664 said:
Why move Kosier? He's catching his groove in his spot now. If Steinbach is all he is cracked up to be, then he should be able to play RG. Plus, Steinbach is going to be a top-tier FA. There is no way Jerry gets into a bidding war with other teams. Our recent history shows signing of solid mid-tier FAs. I wouldnt gamble on us signing any big name guys.

Well because Steinbach is a LG and Kosier was signed with the ability to play either guard spot.

Our history shows what?

Our recent history shows us making a big splash signing top end FA, or don't the names Henry, Owens, Ferguson, Vanderjact and Rivera ring a bell?:rolleyes:
 

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blindzebra;1187635 said:
I have two words for what i hope happens at guard next year...Eric Steinbach.

Young, talented, proven. Put him at LG move Kosier over to RG, unload Rivera and we have two quality starters and decent depth.

Then we are free to draft that OT...and no, I'm not out of my mind...we heard all the cheese about big Rob last year, having a great offseason only to get cut.

McQ has been inactive the whole season and before we bring up Fabini being able to play both spots, just remember that was the same excuse we used on Peterman.

Feel good story aside, we would be foolish to not draft a tackle early based on the "potential" of a low pick who hasn't seen the active roster...that is what I'd call being out of your mind.;)

Something tells me Z that the "McQ" situation is totally different than Peterman's.

I seriously doubt that we draft a tackle early-- UNLESS Adams is let go. If he's gone then all bets are off.

I like the job Colombo has done and think that he'll only get better.
 

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sago1;1187140 said:
Article says we signed Berger as a backup center but that's weird cause we've gone the whole season with Gurode as our starter & Johnson as backup, yet now we bring in Berger allegedly as a backup center--Leffew apparently will remain a OG. Sounds to me like Parcells may not be planning bring Johnson back but since we'd need a viable backup for Gurode next year why wait til next year to find it.

Johnson won't be back because he will be an unrestricted free agent, along with Gurode. If we sign Gurode to a long-term starter deal, Johnson is going to want to look for a starting opportunity elsewhere. There was some rumored interest in Johnson before the trade deadline.

Parcells has been nothing but complimentary of Johnson (esp. his ability against 4-3 defenses), so I'm sure Dallas would love to have him back, but the reality is that he'll sign elsewhere.

Because of that, Dallas needs to be taking looks at options like Berger.
 

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BP wants guys who can play multiple positions. Thats why he likes Kosier and Gurode, who between them can play all 5 positions. Berger is another guy like Gurode in that he can play G & C. My guess is that BP wants 3 backups next year: one guy who can play both tackle positions, one who can play both guards, and one who can play G and C.
 

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blindzebra;1187693 said:
Well because Steinbach is a LG and Kosier was signed with the ability to play either guard spot.

Our history shows what?

Our recent history shows us making a big splash signing top end FA, or don't the names Henry, Owens, Ferguson, Vanderjact and Rivera ring a bell?:rolleyes:

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MichaelWinicki;1187174 said:
What we're trying to do is determine our need for drafting a guard early in next years draft.

It would be great if we didn't need too.

:hammer: and finding a potential backup C is in case of the probability that some team scoops down and grabs Al in FA, despite having strength problems, Al is still a good C, IMO, Al is going to be the Kyle Kosier equivalent to Oline on the market this year, underrated, yet a few teams will want his services
 

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Columbo looks like he can handle the left side... Rivera was a mistake from day 1 I'm just glad he will be gone soon!!!

I would like to see them draft a OT in any round but the first! but OG why?
 
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