What about Steve Smith from the Giants?

[TheSport78]

He seems like he would be the perfect fit for the #3 WR role if and when Roy is released. If the June 2 rules apply like Adam said, it should be a no-brainer that Roy is gone.

I'm pretty sure we were going to draft Smith in 07' I believe, but the Giants swooped him away. Seems like a better version of Patrick Crayton who is clutch on 3rd down. He's coming off of an injury so he might not command as much $$$. What do you think of Smith as a Cowboy?

 

[Yeagermeister]

I'd be all for it just because he wouldn't be terrorizing Scandrick anymore

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I'd be all for it just because he wouldn't be terrorizing Scandrick anymore

He's better than a 3rd wr.

He'll be back in nj

 

[TheSport78]

I'd be all for it just because he wouldn't be terrorizing Scandrick anymore

Imagine those training camp reports :laugh2:

 

[BIGDen]

I'm pretty sure he underwent microfracture surgery. I have no idea how well he's recovering but there's no guarantee he's the same player that he was pre-injury. Aside from that, WR would seem to be pretty low on our FA priority list. Unless I missed something, cutting RW would only hurt us cap-wise. Seems like re-signing Free is priority one. Fortifying safety, OL (Kosier?), and DL are significantly more important.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yeah, he had microfracture surgery and if he comes back it will take him awhile.

 

[jazzcat22]

We don't need another WR, especially for a 3rd WR. RW11 will be just as good, especially since he knows his role is not the #1 WR. And he is not comeing off an injury, and knows the system in a NON off season.

And we drafted a WR that very well may become that 3rd WR by the years end. So he needs that development time being the 4th or 5th WR, and ST return man.

 

[JustDezIt]

I'm pretty sure he underwent microfracture surgery. I have no idea how well he's recovering but there's no guarantee he's the same player that he was pre-injury. Aside from that, WR would seem to be pretty low on our FA priority list. Unless I missed something, cutting RW would only hurt us cap-wise. Seems like re-signing Free is priority one. Fortifying safety, OL (Kosier?), and DL are significantly more important.

check out adam's post in the salary cap thread.

 

[JBS]

I'm pretty sure he underwent microfracture surgery. I have no idea how well he's recovering but there's no guarantee he's the same player that he was pre-injury. Aside from that, WR would seem to be pretty low on our FA priority list. Unless I missed something, cutting RW would only hurt us cap-wise. Seems like re-signing Free is priority one. Fortifying safety, OL (Kosier?), and DL are significantly more important.

I'll save you the time..we'd save like 4mil this year and 2-3 mil next year by cutting Roy..IIRC..whatever the #s are, it is a savings

 

[TheSport78]

I'll save you the time..we'd save like 4mil this year and 2-3 mil next year by cutting Roy..IIRC..whatever the #s are, it is a savings

Exactly. The only thing in the way of cutting Roy is Jerry's ego.

 

[rathalarge]

Why when he is a #2 receiver for the Giants and will be #3 here? Does not make sense @ all, not to mention he loves playing against the Cowboys' secondary!

 

[BIGDen]

I'll save you the time..we'd save like 4mil this year and 2-3 mil next year by cutting Roy..IIRC..whatever the #s are, it is a savings

Oh cool. I obviously missed that. All offseason everybody (including the media) has been saying cutting RW would hurt us cap-wise. This is good news. RW was pretty productive TD-wise when Romo was playing last year but I think he's pretty one-dimensional and has a questionable attitude/personality (don't like his Romo comments or his not wanting Irvin advice). If cutting him allows us to strengthen other areas then I'm cool with it even though it thins us at WR.

 

[realtick]

I'd be all for it just because he wouldn't be terrorizing Scandrick anymore

Lol, exactly. I think Scandrick is really pushing for this signing.

 

[Typhus]

I'm pretty sure he underwent microfracture surgery. I have no idea how well he's recovering but there's no guarantee he's the same player that he was pre-injury. Aside from that, WR would seem to be pretty low on our FA priority list. Unless I missed something, cutting RW would only hurt us cap-wise. Seems like re-signing Free is priority one. Fortifying safety, OL (Kosier?), and DL are significantly more important.

The G-Men are in a similar situation at WR currently that the Cowboys were in the past 4-5 years in trying to build there, and they did hit pay dirt with Hakeem Nicks, nobody can debate that, and while Im comparing the two teams and the similarity, its vastly different when you can harvest a potential perineal pro-bowler in Miles Austin as a UDFA, thats when you really hit pay dirt.
So they have a group of young to fairly young wrs that have earned a bit of a reputation in regards to "waiting to breakout" types...
Ramses Barden (3rd round)
Mario Manningham (3rd round)
Devin Thomas (2nd round by Skins)
Victor Cruz (UDFA), nice young prospect that has me personally more concerned in the near future with moreso than any other WR on this team outside of Nicks, or even a healthy Steve Smith.

So apologies for the rant, just wanted to compare two positions because there are similarities in the fact that the Giants are trying desperately to develop young talent through the draft, spending whats considered fairly high draft pics on potential that have yet to show anything special, and to make a long story short... I would think The Giants are going to make it as difficult as possible for Steve Smith to leave.

 

[realtick]

We don't need another WR, especially for a 3rd WR. RW11 will be just as good, especially since he knows his role is not the #1 WR. And he is not comeing off an injury, and knows the system in a NON off season.

And we drafted a WR that very well may become that 3rd WR by the years end. So he needs that development time being the 4th or 5th WR, and ST return man.

Most teams' slot reciever is the third reciever by default. Roy Williams is the Cowboys' third reciever by virtue of his status on the depth chart. Williams is not a slot reciever.

For those speculating why would Smith want to sign with Dallas to be relagated to third reciever status, you have to realize that in today's offenses, being a slot reciever/third reciever is practically a starting position. It's like being a nickel corner nowadays.

Besides, there's no gaurantee Smith wouldn't play the same role in New York. Nicks is obviously the team's #1, they like what Manningham did as the #2 last year and they just drafted Jerrell Jernigan in the 3rd round this year. The Giants are loaded top to bottom with WR depth: Nicks, Manningham, Steve Smith, Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Derek Hagan, Mark Clayton (LSU), Victor Cruz (last year's preseason star), Domenik Hixon, Devin Thomas, and a few others.

Having said all that, WR is the least of our concerns. But the idea of adding a guy like Steve Smith would make this receiving corps absolutely dynamite

 

[TheSport78]

Most teams' slot reciever is the third reciever by default. Roy Williams is the Cowboys' third reciever by virtue of his status on the depth chart. Williams is not a slot reciever.

For those speculating why would Smith want to sign with Dallas to be relagated to third reciever status, you have to realize that in today's offenses, being a slot reciever/third reciever is practically a starting position. It's like being nickel corner nowadays.

Besides, there's no gaurantee Smith wouldn't play the same role in New York. Nicks is obviously the team's #1, they like what Manningham did as the #2 last year and they just drafted Jerrell Jernigan in the 3rd round this year. The Giants are loaded top to bottom with WR depth: Nicks, Manningham, Steve Smith, Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Derek Hagan, Mark Clayton (LSU), Victor Cruz (last year's preseason star), Domenik Hixon, Devin Thomas, and a few others.

Having said all that, WR is the least of our concerns. But the idea of adding a guy like Steve Smith would make this receiving corps absolutely dynamite

Excellent points.

 

[realtick]

So apologies for the rant, just wanted to compare two positions because there are similarities in the fact that the Giants are trying desperately to develop young talent through the draft, spending whats considered fairly high draft pics on potential that have yet to show anything special, and to make a long story short... I would think The Giants are going to make it as difficult as possible for Steve Smith to leave.

I don't get where you think they seem "desperate" to develop young WR talent. Steve Smith (2nd round) is proven, so is Nicks (1st round) and Manningham (3rd round) broke out last year with 60 rec. 944 yards and 9 TDs.

They just drafted Jernel Jernigan in the 3rd round this season who seems to be their slot receiver of the future. They've got great depth as you've noted to fill out the remaining spots. If anything, I think their well equiped to move on from Smith if they choose to.

What "fairly high draft picks" have they used and are still waiting to show "anything special?"

Siniorce Moss (2nd round), from six years ago?

 

[Typhus]

I don't get where you think they seem "desperate" to develop young WR talent. Steve Smith is proven, so is Nicks and Manningham broke out last year with 60 rec. 944 yards and 9 TDs.

They just drafted Jernel Jernigan in the 3rd round this season who seems to be their slot receiver of the future. They've got great depth as you've noted to fill out the remaining spots. If anything, I think their well equiped to move on from Smith if they choose to.

What "fairly high draft picks" have they used are still waiting to show "anything special?"

Siniorce Moss, from four or five years ago?

Sorry if I was being somewhat vague, I was basically just pointing out that besides the wash out of Nicks= Bryant(Im bias so I would of course value Byrant above nicks, but you get the point), both teams poses nice solid young depth, but the Giants have tried a bit harder and spent a little more in the 3rd round, and we stole a stud UDFA, so both are similar, but were obtained differently... just endorsing the FO as of late.. Solid and Prudent is my best description.

 

[realtick]

Sorry if I was being somewhat vague, I was basically just pointing out that besides the wash out of Nicks= Bryant(Im bias so I would of course value Byrant above nicks, but you get the point), both teams poses nice solid young depth, but the Giants have tried a bit harder and spent a little more in the 3rd round, and we stole a stud UDFA, so both are similar, but were obtained differently... just endorsing the FO as of late.. Solid and Prudent is my best description.

Ah, gotcha.

I compare our depth to theirs differently.

As of right now, I see Dez and Nicks being a wash; Miles > than Manningham (or Smith).

From there, I give the Giants the upperhand in depth: Steve Smith > Roy Williams...I also give them the advantage in terms of depth/potential/talent from the bottom of their depth chart: Hagan, Jernigan, Cruz, Barden, et cetera > Ogletree, Harris, Hurd, Titus Ryan, et cetera

JMO

 

[speedkilz88]

Steve Smith isn't any kind of depth with that knee.