what are our "weak" positions?

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while we spend the cleveland pick on mcfadden on a daily basis and with the emergence of cleveland as a team that can win, we're now spending their pick AND our pick for mcfadden. this MOB (mcfadden or bust) crowd really does have a 1 player mind. mention any other position on the team that could use some love and you get a diatribe of why mcfadden is our only hope and salvation.

i pefectly understand it. all #1 offenses in the NFL are in dire need of immediate improvements and upgrades. while mcfadden is special, we learned a long time ago 2 #1's for anyone is a bad idea. well, till your tunnel vision kicks in then that's the only way to go.

so i started thinking what *should* we focus on? my initial thought is that it's WAY TOO EARLY to be trying to determine your needs with 12 games + playoffs to go. but since it's all the rage to hold a draft on a weekly basis, i wondered who we should really focus on or which areas we should look at.

OFFENSE:
WR. Glenn could be gone. Right now, anyone miss him? If he's able to return in a limited basis great but in the meantime, I'm putting his roster spot up for grabs regardless of what the rest of the WR's do for the year. We know TO is getting older but man alive he doesn't play like it does he? #1 we're set for the immediate future, #2 is being fought for today and we'll go from there.

WR position of possible love and attention.

RB. Barber gets his chants all the time that he should be the starter. Ask him what he thinks and he simply says "if it ain't broke" - so we've got a true team player here. Jones has been the subject of too many rumors and you can just sense he's not long for the cowboys.

RB position of possible love and attention.

QB: nope. we're set. thank you drive through please and it's been a decade since we could say that.

OL: flo could be nearing the end of the line. kosier is adequate but could be victim to roster churning as we continue to try and get better. Our 2 picks from last year still are ?'s and mcquistian earned some love with his larry allen impersonation a few weeks ago but he's still not starting.

OL: could use some attention but not drastic. Backup center possibly.

TE: nope. we're set.

FB: not really. we're ok.

DEFENSE:
DT: when fergie went out and left us with ratliff it seemed like a huge blow. esp. given the overall state of the defense in the giants game. but ratliff is doing pretty darn good and jones rolled the dice and signed the TANK so before it's all over we could have (3) good players for that next year and have an overall problem.

DT: Possible but dependant on too many factors to know now.

DL: we're not too bad here but spears winds up on milk cartons as missing in action more often than in the statbook. maybe he'll get better maybe he won't but for now:

DL: Position of some possible love and attention.

LB: please. we have the refugee camp of LBs here as it is now and carpenter has officially taken over as every "Madden Fans" boy toy to trade for any current shiney object.

LB: set.

CB: with newman hurt and henry with a high ankle sprain we're in a short term problem with the position but reeves of all people has stepped up and shown he can play. which is nice. henry shouldn't be hurt forever and despite personal feelings some *posters* may have about henry, he was having a career year before his injury. in all, we'll need to see how it pans out but i'd keep an eye here.

CB could use some love if it works out that way.

FS/SS: roy can't cover. we get mad at him, we want to trade him, we call him out over anyone else on the D despite how the D does, but in the end he's not going anywhere. hamlin has been pretty good back there but watkins has remarkably found somewhere to hide his 6'5" frame and davis only plays well after being shot it would seem.

Could use some love.

ST/Kicking game. Nope. we're set.

So, WR, RB, OL, DL, CB and S are down with some churning but in what order?

here's where we'll break apart because none of these areas are "terrible" per se but some will see it as a bigger need than others and i'm sure it will drive a lot of heated/interesting convo's. but since this is my post, here's what i'd do.

RB: keep an eye on things. i'd not overpay for mcfadden despite the wet dream so many have. if he's there with our cleveland pick take him as BPA and rejoice at a gift 2 years in a row in a draft. another possible move is drafting a different RB (i hear there is more than 1 in the draft) *OR* turner from San Deigo will be a UFA. sign him on and keep our picks for other uses.

WR: roy williams of detroit and larry fitzgerald are both legit #1 WR's who may be available for our own 1st round pick of the draft next year. i'd take either of those in a heartbeat with that pick and get some proven talent. come in with a 2nd rounder even better and we save our 1st.

OL: keep an eye on FAs and see where things fall in the draft. i'd like to look at a backup C and another T for flo but for once in a long time we're not too shabby on the OL. while i think romo's agility helps, we have it, use it. but always working to improve the trenches should be the goal of any NFL team.

DL: keep an eye on FAs and yes, look in the draft here. DT only if tank reverts and fergies overall condition.

CB: here's where i'd do some focusing. newman and henry should be ok in time and reeves is coming into his own but after that it's a no-mans land of names and talent. if 1 CB gets hurts we must adjust, if 2 are out, we've got some problems. yes, like any team but face it, we've got the best depth we've had in awhile and for now this is a place that could use some depth love.

Safety: look in the 1st day of the draft depending on how some others fall out above.

in my dream world, here's what could happen:

RB: Turner
WR: (our 1st round pick) fitzgerald
CB: trade down with clevelands pick if we have to but get a solid CB with their pick.

from there just see where things fall.
 

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People are still talking about Michael Turner?

For once I think we can legitimately just take the best talent that's available, as long as it's not a linebacker, tight end, or a quarterback.
 

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theogt;1686153 said:
People are still talking about Michael Turner?

For once I think we can legitimately just take the best talent that's available, as long as it's not a linebacker, tight end, or a quarterback.

can you believe it? i mean how dare someone talk turner when we've got mcfadden somewhere out there?

as for the rest - i can see that as we're set at those positions.
 

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theogt;1686153 said:
People are still talking about Michael Turner?

For once I think we can legitimately just take the best talent that's available, as long as it's not a linebacker, tight end, or a quarterback.

Why? He has done NOTHING in the NFL. It is the same love people had for Troy Hambrick. He put up some gaudy averages and everyone got all wet over him but when it came time for him to start full time he fell on his face, literally.

Turner is a backup for a reason. If he were all that then he would be playing for the Packers right now.

Next...
 

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iceberg;1686159 said:
can you believe it? i mean how dare someone talk turner when we've got mcfadden somewhere out there?

as for the rest - i can see that as we're set at those positions.
Depending on what juniors declare there could be 5 running backs that are better than Turner in the draft.
 

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THUMPER;1686161 said:
Why? He has done NOTHING in the NFL. It is the same love people had for Troy Hambrick. He put up some gaudy averages and everyone got all wet over him but when it came time for him to start full time he fell on his face, literally.

Turner is a backup for a reason. If he were all that then he would be playing for the Packers right now.

Next...

and just how many RBs would be starting ahead of LT?

exactly.

and i'm not looking for a "starter" to be THE MAN but someone to work with barber should jones leave.

hell, moss went for a 4th. if he were really *that good* he'd never have left minny, right? or oakland.
 

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theogt;1686164 said:
Depending on what juniors declare there could be 5 running backs that are better than Turner in the draft.

possible. and i'd love to see us look 'em all over but other than rice i believe and some dude named slaton - are there other *worthy* rb's out there?

you'd never know it by all the MOB talk going on. i'd just like to see it open up and let's look over more alternatives than selling our mothers for mcfadden.
 

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iceberg;1686159 said:
can you believe it? i mean how dare someone talk turner when we've got mcfadden somewhere out there?

as for the rest - i can see that as we're set at those positions.

I'll agree with you Ice ! Couldn't care less what others think about Turner , I like him . Personally I like the current RB situation , would like to see JJ back and to change nothing , but I doubt that happens .

I think the weakest link right now is CB . I'd hope to have a healthy Newman and Henry back next season , along with Reeves and a high first round rookie . WR and guard would probably be my next two choices .
 

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theogt;1686164 said:
Depending on what juniors declare there could be 5 running backs that are better than Turner in the draft.

How do you know that ? Because of what they've done in the NCAA ?
 

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Jerry, I don't want us to trade either of those 1st rounders.

I think we still have to go with the best player available approach. WR, CB are priorities, as well as possibly RB.

None would start immediately, but we need to look to 2009. I would continue to draft an OG or two in the middle rounds and let them learn.

WR late in the draft won't hurt either. You never know if we wind the next Patrick Crayton. :)
 

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iceberg;1686171 said:
possible. and i'd love to see us look 'em all over but other than rice i believe and some dude named slaton - are there other *worthy* rb's out there?

you'd never know it by all the MOB talk going on. i'd just like to see it open up and let's look over more alternatives than selling our mothers for mcfadden.
I would take Felix Jones, Jonathan Stewart, Ray Rice, Steve Slaton, and McFadden, of course, over Turner. I might even take Mike Hart over Turner.

Hell, I'd give Barber 25-30 carries per game over bringing in Turner.
 

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I want the best runningback available and the best over 6' tall wideout with our 2 first round picks ......

We have ignored the offense in the first round long enough.

I understand we already have the number 1 offense in the league ..... but I want to scare the begesus out of everyone on our schedule.

Get a corner and nose tackle in the 2 and 3rd rounds .....
 

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iceberg;1686145 said:
So, WR, RB, OL, DL, CB and S are down with some churning but in what order?

Good post.

I would say the order falls this way.

OL, CB, S, DL, RB, WR.

Not many teams are really in dire need of a RB at this point, so they will fall, not McFadden but there will be plenty of solid RBs.

WR, although Glenn is almost a gimme for the pasture...as you say he isn't being missed right now.
 

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zrinkill;1686191 said:
I want the best runningback available and the best over 6' tall wideout with our 2 first round picks ......

We have ignored the offense in the first round long enough.

I understand we already have the number 1 offense in the league ..... but I want to scare the begesus out of everyone on our schedule.

Get a corner and nose tackle in the 2 and 3rd rounds .....
Switch NT with OG/C, and I'm 100% behind you.
 

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Eddie;1686184 said:
Jerry, I don't want us to trade either of those 1st rounders.

I think we still have to go with the best player available approach. WR, CB are priorities, as well as possibly RB.

None would start immediately, but we need to look to 2009. I would continue to draft an OG or two in the middle rounds and let them learn.

WR late in the draft won't hurt either. You never know if we wind the next Patrick Crayton. :)

normally eddie, i agree 100%. *however* - anyone coming out of the draft is going to be a risk. while you can argue all players are risks, fitzgerald (or even roy williams if it went that way) are proven. they came out of college and lived up to the hype. with our 1st pick we could have:

limas sweed
larry fitzgerald

or something like that. we know larry *can* be a #1 and no idea on anyone else coming out. call it me hedging my bets but i'll take known *young* quality over a draft pick at almost any point.
 

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theogt;1686188 said:
I would take Felix Jones, Jonathan Stewart, Ray Rice, Steve Slaton, and McFadden, of course, over Turner. I might even take Mike Hart over Turner.

Hell, I'd give Barber 25-30 carries per game over bringing in Turner.

no turner for you. got it. : )
 

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zrinkill;1686191 said:
I want the best runningback available and the best over 6' tall wideout with our 2 first round picks ......

We have ignored the offense in the first round long enough.

I understand we already have the number 1 offense in the league ..... but I want to scare the begesus out of everyone on our schedule.

Get a corner and nose tackle in the 2 and 3rd rounds .....

would you be opposed or for trading *our* #1 for say larry fitzgerald or even roy williams? draft that RB with clevelands 1st - whoever it may be.
 

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THUMPER;1686161 said:
Why? He has done NOTHING in the NFL. It is the same love people had for Troy Hambrick. He put up some gaudy averages and everyone got all wet over him but when it came time for him to start full time he fell on his face, literally.

Turner is a backup for a reason. If he were all that then he would be playing for the Packers right now.

Next...


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SkinsandTerps;1686192 said:
Good post.

I would say the order falls this way.

OL, CB, S, DL, RB, WR.

Not many teams are really in dire need of a RB at this point, so they will fall, not McFadden but there will be plenty of solid RBs.

WR, although Glenn is almost a gimme for the pasture...as you say he isn't being missed right now.

i think mcfadden will go just due to hype, and go fast. we're not in the top 3 we don't get him. but we've got a lot of time between here and then and who knows, maybe he has a bad workout or can't spell like vince young or something. i'm all for mcfadden just not all for him or no one else.

i think CB is more important than the OL and some are gasping for air at this point i'm not all angry at the OL. i want it to keep improving sure but i think we're got a good core and we need to how davis continues to gel and our picks from last year - how they pan out. there's even the warrior in pat out there looking like an arkansas hillbilly klingon.

if we lose jones we need a RB but it doesn't have to be mcfadden. theogt listed some other good alternatives i think we can keep an eye on just the same.
 

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iceberg;1686201 said:
would you be opposed or for trading *our* #1 for say larry fitzgerald or even roy williams? draft that RB with clevelands 1st - whoever it may be.

I would absolutely love that ...... Both of them are better than anything coming out of college.

I just cant see either team making that trade.
 
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