What are your 2024 expectations from the 2023 draft class

[CowboyStar88]

I want overshown to break out, I’ve already written the others off. It’s Mazis last year to prove himself or he’ll be cut. Schoonmaker will have to wait until his 3rd year so maybe they get two years out of him, then if he’s any good he’ll be a cap causality.

So they’re going to cut their first rounder after the 2nd year, but keep their backup what soon to be 28 year old TE for 3 years? Why would they give their first rd only 2 years?

 

[75boyz]

Not convinced Mazi or Schoon will have any kind of impressive bounce back year. I just think they both aren't that good.
Overshown will be interesting to see how his injury return plays out.

The only other 2 worth mentioning were UDFAS...
Aubry and Bass.
If Aubry keeps up that kinda consistency... Man, oh man. That kid was so awesome last year.

Bass showed he can play oline in this league.
Coaches to decide at what specific position or if he will be available at multiple positions.

 

[CWR]

DT Mazi Smith

Will start and get a lions share of reps at DT. Im optimistic because Zimmer has done well with big DT's. However I dont expect him to be more than average

TE Luke Schoonmaker

Not expecting much. I even think Stephens could push him for the #2 TE spot

LB DeMarvion Overshown

He was an ascending player in college, and looked great before getting hurt. I think he should have a strong 2024

DT Viliami Fehoko

Id be surprised if he gets 100 defensive snaps

OT/OG Asim Richards

What can you really say with back up OL. Unlike other positions, there aren't subs and your playing time is dependent on injuries for back up OL. Saying that I expect he should be at least serviceable if he has to step in

CB Eric Scott

Not expecting much. I expect him to lose to Carson but beat out Wright.

HB Deuce Vaughn

I dont expect him to make the roster

WR Jalen Brooks

I think he could challenge Tolbert for the #3 spot. However that says more about our depth at WR than how good Brooks. Either, I expect him to get worked in to the offense this to some degree. 200 snaps of he is the #4, 500 or so if he is the #3

Last I heard Mazi had not appeared to have put on any weight. Then Brodus brought up some possible mental health issues and it looks like Mazi is primed to be a bust.

We alway clamoring for them to get a big body early, but Hill and Mazi are not it. Hopefully Mazi surprises me.

 

[KingintheNorth]

DT Mazi Smith

TE Luke Schoonmaker

LB DeMarvion Overshown

DT Viliami Fehoko

OT/OG Asim Richards

CB Eric Scott

HB Deuce Vaughn

WR Jalen Brooks

When is the last time we had a first round pick that was a bum his rookie year and became a good player after that?

Coaches have this.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Mazi - it's tough for my expectations to get any lower. He's in the Taco zone.

Schoon - no expectations for him either. He's TE2 and Ferguson is a baller.

Overshown - would love to see him get a starting LB gig.

Fehoko - may not make it out of camp.

Richards - backup OL, but the team likes him. I think he'll eventually be a good one.

Scott - may not make it out of camp. 0 snaps last year and the new coaching staff didn't trade up for him.

Deuce - may not make it out of camp.

Brooks - probably a #4 WR and special teamer. I don't think he's that far off Tolbert, though. Every chance he's had, he looked good.

 

[KingintheNorth]

DT Mazi Smith - Will get every opportunity to play and develop. Most decisions made in Dallas are about validating the Jones' questionable decisions and not about doing what it takes to win. He was probably drafted about 15 slots too high. Concerns remain about his passion for the game.


TE Luke Schoonmaker - He's going to get pushed aside by the upside of John Stephens, Jr., and Brevyn Spann-Ford who's a bigger, cheaper version of what the team thought Schoonmaker was. As with Smith, the 2nd round pick will get a chance to prove the Jones right BUT the big difference here is the availability of capable replacements. Drafted two rounds too early.

LB DeMarvion Overshown - The savior of the 2023 class. Good player and will hopefully be a difference maker on the field this year.

DT Viliami Fehoko - Possibly cut. Not sure where he fits in. Kneeland and Gholston are similar DT/DE tweeners and are much better players. He's a slow DE and very little twitch as a 3Tech. Drafted way too high.

OT/OG Asim Richards - We should all be concerned that they drafted three new OL and can't stop talking about Bass and Hoffman. Richards seems like an afterthought.

CB Eric Scott - Wanted to be hopeful, especially after DaRon Bland becoming an absolute stud. Cowboys wanting to be clever, sending a 5th round pick for a player they could have easily just drafted with their next 6th round pick, if not later.

HB Deuce Vaughn - The Disney+ movie will not happen. Great idea for a story but he just doesn't have what it takes to overcome the size deficiency.

WR Jalen Brooks - Initially I thought it was another attempt to appear clever. The former D2 player caught just over 50 balls in his 3 years at South Carolina. However, he has shown a ton of juice. Unfortunately, he will most likely be fighting for a roster spot with another similar project WR in 2024 6th round pick Ryan Flourney. Should be an exciting battle in training camp and preseason games because I am sure that McCarthy is going to let Lance air it out.

 

[JBS]

Coaches have this.

Do you have an answer to my question?

 

[DanTanna]

DT Mazi Smith - zero expectations. His one second delay at the snap is a career killer

TE Luke Schoonmaker - career back-up, special teamer

LB DeMarvion Overshown - NFL Draft Grade: special teamer, career back-up. Malik Jefferson II, but I HOPE he kills it for us! Very low expectations

HB Deuce Vaughn - I'm excited to see him get more touches

 

[KingintheNorth]

Do you have an answer to my question?

Byron Jones and Felix Jones were slow starters but to answer your question, the Cowboys are usually hit or miss.

 

[JBS]

Byron Jones and Felix Jones were slow starters but to answer your question, the Cowboys are usually hit or miss.

Byron Jones is a decent answer. Good pull.

 

[JBS]

DT Mazi Smith - Will get every opportunity to play and develop. Most decisions made in Dallas are about validating the Jones' questionable decisions and not about doing what it takes to win. He was probably drafted about 15 slots too high. Concerns remain about his passion for the game.


TE Luke Schoonmaker - He's going to get pushed aside by the upside of John Stephens, Jr., and Brevyn Spann-Ford who's a bigger, cheaper version of what the team thought Schoonmaker was. As with Smith, the 2nd round pick will get a chance to prove the Jones right BUT the big difference here is the availability of capable replacements. Drafted two rounds too early.

LB DeMarvion Overshown - The savior of the 2023 class. Good player and will hopefully be a difference maker on the field this year.

DT Viliami Fehoko - Possibly cut. Not sure where he fits in. Kneeland and Gholston are similar DT/DE tweeners and are much better players. He's a slow DE and very little twitch as a 3Tech. Drafted way too high.

OT/OG Asim Richards - We should all be concerned that they drafted three new OL and can't stop talking about Bass and Hoffman. Richards seems like an afterthought.

CB Eric Scott - Wanted to be hopeful, especially after DaRon Bland becoming an absolute stud. Cowboys wanting to be clever, sending a 5th round pick for a player they could have easily just drafted with their next 6th round pick, if not later.

HB Deuce Vaughn - The Disney+ movie will not happen. Great idea for a story but he just doesn't have what it takes to overcome the size deficiency.

WR Jalen Brooks - Initially I thought it was another attempt to appear clever. The former D2 player caught just over 50 balls in his 3 years at South Carolina. However, he has shown a ton of juice. Unfortunately, he will most likely be fighting for a roster spot with another similar project WR in 2024 6th round pick Ryan Flourney. Should be an exciting battle in training camp and preseason games because I am sure that McCarthy is going to let Lance air it out.

We aren’t getting didley poo out of this draft class. Overshown might be a hit. The rest are busts

 

[Cowboys5217]

When is the last time we had a first round pick that was a bum his rookie year and became a good player after that?

It's not very often that rookie year busts turn it around for any team, not just Dallas. Historically, the odds are not good.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Not convinced Mazi or Schoon will have any kind of impressive bounce back year. I just think they both aren't that good.
Overshown will be interesting to see how his injury return plays out.

The only other 2 worth mentioning were UDFAS...
Aubry and Bass.
If Aubry keeps up that kinda consistency... Man, oh man. That kid was so awesome last year.

Bass showed he can play oline in this league.
Coaches to decide at what specific position or if he will be available at multiple positions.

I think Bass was the steal of UDFA. He'll be here as a solid linemen for years.

 

[KingintheNorth]

We aren’t getting didley poo out of this draft class. Overshown might be a hit. The rest are busts

My (much longer) take was this. Overshown and possibly Brooks.

As you know, in real time I did not like this draft except for Overshown.

 

[darthseinfeld]

DT Mazi Smith - Will get every opportunity to play and develop. Most decisions made in Dallas are about validating the Jones' questionable decisions and not about doing what it takes to win. He was probably drafted about 15 slots too high. Concerns remain about his passion for the game.


TE Luke Schoonmaker - He's going to get pushed aside by the upside of John Stephens, Jr., and Brevyn Spann-Ford who's a bigger, cheaper version of what the team thought Schoonmaker was. As with Smith, the 2nd round pick will get a chance to prove the Jones right BUT the big difference here is the availability of capable replacements. Drafted two rounds too early.

LB DeMarvion Overshown - The savior of the 2023 class. Good player and will hopefully be a difference maker on the field this year.

DT Viliami Fehoko - Possibly cut. Not sure where he fits in. Kneeland and Gholston are similar DT/DE tweeners and are much better players. He's a slow DE and very little twitch as a 3Tech. Drafted way too high.

OT/OG Asim Richards - We should all be concerned that they drafted three new OL and can't stop talking about Bass and Hoffman. Richards seems like an afterthought.

CB Eric Scott - Wanted to be hopeful, especially after DaRon Bland becoming an absolute stud. Cowboys wanting to be clever, sending a 5th round pick for a player they could have easily just drafted with their next 6th round pick, if not later.

HB Deuce Vaughn - The Disney+ movie will not happen. Great idea for a story but he just doesn't have what it takes to overcome the size deficiency.

WR Jalen Brooks - Initially I thought it was another attempt to appear clever. The former D2 player caught just over 50 balls in his 3 years at South Carolina. However, he has shown a ton of juice. Unfortunately, he will most likely be fighting for a roster spot with another similar project WR in 2024 6th round pick Ryan Flourney. Should be an exciting battle in training camp and preseason games because I am sure that McCarthy is going to let Lance air it out.

I think Richards might get talked about more if Steele struggles again. I dont think you hear him mentioned much because he he isnt really competing for a starting spot. If we didnt give Steele that contract, he probably would be.

With that said, I think his best spot would be LG, and they seem to keep him at OT. I think pairing Smith and Guyton at OT is the best fallback for Steele failing. I really like the idea of Smith at RT. Big, mean, strong, agile. Could be our Lane Johnson. I think the young players we brought in the last couple years are all more suited to the interior than OT, including Richards

 

[darthseinfeld]

My (much longer) take was this. Overshown and possibly Brooks.

As you know, in real time I did not like this draft except for Overshown.

I think Brooks could push Tolbert in camp/preseason, and thats not a testement to Brooks ability. Could accelerate his development though

 

[quickccc]

What level of contributions do you expect from these players individually in 2024

DT Mazi Smith

TE Luke Schoonmaker

LB DeMarvion Overshown

DT Viliami Fehoko

OT/OG Asim Richards

CB Eric Scott

HB Deuce Vaughn

WR Jalen Brooks

Mazi - Expect another slow start and development. becuz he is still rehabbing from shoulder surgery that should limited or restrict him from working out in offseason program - which he vastly needed .

Schoon - also currently rehabbing a injury per hammy, meaning likely to sit out the mini camps, is it always gonna be sunthin with this 27 yr old player ? i saw far too little of him to figure his receiving skills, but it's looking like he may be just a James Hanna- Sean McKeon like blocker role. i don't expect much.

- Overshown is the one i'm most excited and encouraged about. but i expect to bring him back on a cautious ACL recovery basis
Not PUP but limited camp sessions. Instincts just jump off. Just needs game experience

- Fehoko ? Totally unknown and couldn't get on the field in a " red shirt " year. "Stashed " as an injury. I dunno if he's Zimm's type DT.

- Richards: i do wonder why he didn;t choose to work with Duke Mayweather OL guru as Guyton did. Seems athletic as OT that needs
more muscle and play strength. Hope he makes a jump past Ball and Matt Wally.

- Scott: - Club impressed such to trade up in draft to get him. Another regime pick ? A " red shirt "that could not get on the field in rookie year.
A Wait & see on development in 2nd yr.

Vaughn - Seems like a heart felt sympathy pick than true draft plan. Coaches didn't have a clue to scheme him once true games began.
Does not help that he adds zero value on special teams. Maybe on wrong team, wrong coaches, wrong scheme.

Brooks - i like what very limited i saw on Brooks, Seem way more ahead and NFL ready than Tolbert's rookie year. More serviceable and workman than spectacular. Can play special teams- something Tolbert cannot really do.

 

[JBS]

It's not very often that rookie year busts turn it around for any team, not just Dallas. Historically, the odds are not good.

So we can forget about M. Smith

 

[75boyz]

Mazi - it's tough for my expectations to get any lower. He's in the Taco zone.

Schoon - no expectations for him either. He's TE2 and Ferguson is a baller.

Overshown - would love to see him get a starting LB gig.

Fehoko - may not make it out of camp.

Richards - backup OL, but the team likes him. I think he'll eventually be a good one.

Scott - may not make it out of camp. 0 snaps last year and the new coaching staff didn't trade up for him.

Deuce - may not make it out of camp.

Brooks - probably a #4 WR and special teamer. I don't think he's that far off Tolbert, though. Every chance he's had, he looked good.

I share your same opinions.

 

[75boyz]

I think Brooks could push Tolbert in camp/preseason, and thats not a testement to Brooks ability. Could accelerate his development though

Yep.
Well said.