What can Joe Milton learn from Dak?

[plymkr]

Say what you will about the results but Dak is supposed to have the reputation of a guy that has a great work ethic. He puts in the time. That is certainly a trait that should be passed on to Milton.

It's going to take a lot of hard work for Milton to get a starting position in the NFL.

I think this thread should be changed to “what can Milton learn from Schotty”. I mean Schotty is the HC and all. I don’t feel Dak is obligated to teach anyone anything it’s not in his job description. From what I’ve gathered from Milton he’s physically a freak if nature but needs to work on accuracy, reading defenses, decision making and touch. All of these things are what QB coaches and HCs are supposed to teach. I agree completely it’s going to take a lot of hard work for Milton to get a starting position in the NFL. I feel coaches should be teaching him. Now if Jerry won’t hire a coach that can teach a young QB then that’s a bigger problem. But I’m hoping Schotty (along with changing the culture lol) can teach/coach Milton, and even Dak, to read defenses and improve accuracy.

 

[75boyz]

I think this thread should be changed to “what can Milton learn from Schotty”. I mean Schotty is the HC and all. I don’t feel Dak is obligated to teach anyone anything it’s not in his job description. From what I’ve gathered from Milton he’s physically a freak if nature but needs to work on accuracy, reading defenses, decision making and touch. All of these things are what QB coaches and HCs are supposed to teach. I agree completely it’s going to take a lot of hard work for Milton to get a starting position in the NFL. I feel coaches should be teaching him. Now if Jerry won’t hire a coach that can teach a young QB then that’s a bigger problem. But I’m hoping Schotty (along with changing the culture lol) can teach/coach Milton, and even Dak, to read defenses and improve accuracy.

Only problem is Schott or his QB Coach Joe Shimko are not gonna all of a sudden turn into a Reid, McVay, Callahan or Payton quality QB teacher.
As a matter of fact, both Schott and Shimko's resumes are not great evidence of teaching highly effective 2025 style passing games at all.

So I guess it's like you said, there needs to be a coach that can teach it before the QB can even be developed.

And there ain't one.

And the hits just keep on coming.

 

[nightrain]

The boogaloo

 

[plymkr]

Only problem is Schott or his QB Coach Joe Shimko are not gonna turn into a Reid, McVay, Callahan or Payton quality QB teacher.
As a matter of fact, both Schott and Shimko's resumes are not great evidence of teaching highly effective 2025 style passing games at all.

So I guess it's like you said, there needs to be a coach that can teach it before the QB can even be developed.

And there ain't one.

And the hits just keep on coming.

I agree. This is why I didn’t like the Schotty hire. I wanted a disciplinarian coach or a QB guru. Schotty was a comfort zone hire. We’re going to waste the rest of Dak’s career making sure Dak and Jerry are comfortable. I’m at peace with that. What I’m not at peace with is having a young prospect and risking his development for the sake of comfort.

This is another reason I’m excited we traded for Milton. I absolutely did not want to spend a 1st or a 2nd on a QB with this coaching staff in place. I don’t want to squander the talent or the pick. Trading a 5 for Milton (basically moving down 46 spots) is perfect because this will also test if this coaching staff can develop a QB. If this coaching staff can get something out of Milton, or Milton continues to develop, then that’s would give me confidence that this coaching staff can work with a young QB.

I hate to be this blunt or sound this uncaring, but since they’re all millionaires so who cares. Joe Milton is the perfect Guinea pig for this coaching staff. If this staff crashes and burns then we are out just 46 spots in the late rounds of the draft. Who cares. If this staff is adequate to good then Milton will continue developing at reach his potential (debatable what that potential is) then we will have some confidence Schotty can be a good coach.

 

[DuncanIso]

I agree. This is why I didn’t like the Schotty hire. I wanted a disciplinarian coach or a QB guru. Schotty was a comfort zone hire. We’re going to waste the rest of Dak’s career making sure Dak and Jerry are comfortable. I’m at peace with that. What I’m not at peace with is having a young prospect and risking his development for the sake of comfort.

This is another reason I’m excited we traded for Milton. I absolutely did not want to spend a 1st or a 2nd on a QB with this coaching staff in place. I don’t want to squander the talent or the pick. Trading a 5 for Milton (basically moving down 46 spots) is perfect because this will also test if this coaching staff can develop a QB. If this coaching staff can get something out of Milton, or Milton continues to develop, then that’s would give me confidence that this coaching staff can work with a young QB.

I hate to be this blunt or sound this uncaring, but since they’re all millionaires so who cares. Joe Milton is the perfect Guinea pig for this coaching staff. If this staff crashes and burns then we are out just 46 spots in the late rounds of the draft. Who cares. If this staff is adequate to good then Milton will continue developing at reach his potential (debatable what that potential is) then we will have some confidence Schotty can be a good coach.

I wouldn’t put too much faith in a scrub QB.

He spent 6 seasons in NCAA and started 21? Games.

His draft Bio is brutal.

Even the Pats couldn’t fix.

Only reason he is here is Jerry didn’t want to pay Rush or Lance.

 

[75boyz]

I agree. This is why I didn’t like the Schotty hire. I wanted a disciplinarian coach or a QB guru. Schotty was a comfort zone hire. We’re going to waste the rest of Dak’s career making sure Dak and Jerry are comfortable. I’m at peace with that. What I’m not at peace with is having a young prospect and risking his development for the sake of comfort.

This is another reason I’m excited we traded for Milton. I absolutely did not want to spend a 1st or a 2nd on a QB with this coaching staff in place. I don’t want to squander the talent or the pick. Trading a 5 for Milton (basically moving down 46 spots) is perfect because this will also test if this coaching staff can develop a QB. If this coaching staff can get something out of Milton, or Milton continues to develop, then that’s would give me confidence that this coaching staff can work with a young QB.

I hate to be this blunt or sound this uncaring, but since they’re all millionaires so who cares. Joe Milton is the perfect Guinea pig for this coaching staff. If this staff crashes and burns then we are out just 46 spots in the late rounds of the draft. Who cares. If this staff is adequate to good then Milton will continue developing at reach his potential (debatable what that potential is) then we will have some confidence Schotty can be a good coach.

I hear ya brother. I'm in full agreement although I would have liked a slightly more talented raw prospect than Milton to work with.

And while I agree with all your testing grounds theory on both the QB and this staff reaching incremental progress milestones, my concern still would lie in when an actual pedigreed QB comes along.
And would I trust an average to less than avg. staff to tutor him?

Oh well, guess we aint gotta worry for 3 years on that type of thing. But again like you, I'd like a QB guru already on staff if and when the team ever does decide to draft a first rounder.

 

[OGSixshooter]

How many All Pros should he have?

That’s beside the point. Hate him all you want but to get where he’s at it took work ethic. He defied the odds along the way. Dad’s career will be better than most guys who enter the league and if Milton does that it’s a huge hit especially at his salary.

I've always applauded Dak's work ethic. Dak has exceeded expectations. But by his own measure - watch old clips of him talking about the standard he has for himself and what it already is in Dallas - he's a failure. You're not going to have stacked teams year after year...but you can compete when the odds are favorable, even or even a little against you if you have a top QB. Dak is hindrance when we need him most...work ethic and all. Sometimes the feel good story doesn't have a fairy tale ending...see Tim Tebow...Dak's idol.

 

[OGSixshooter]

I hear ya brother. I'm in full agreement although I would have liked a slightly more talented raw prospect than Milton to work with.

And while I agree with all your testing grounds theory on both the QB and this staff reaching incremental progress milestones, my concern still would lie in when an actual pedigreed QB comes along.
And would I trust an average to less than avg. staff to tutor him?

Oh well, guess we aint gotta worry for 3 years on that type of thing. But again like you, I'd like a QB guru already on staff if and when the team ever does decide to draft a first rounder.

I do agree Milton doesnt' have pedigree. I would have been happy had we drafted him in round 3 that year because I absolutely saw him as a sleeper guy that you could develop. But every team passed on him at least 4x...some several more.

That said, Milton passed my eye test in college. Yeah it was against scrubs but he passed my eye test in the NFL. He's basically a more athletic Josh Allen. And I know some will scoff, but Josh Allen changed his entire throwing motion after his rookie year. Many were ready to give up on him after 2. Troy Aikman mentioned Josh Allen - he's connected to him - when everyone else thought he was a dud. Well, Josh Allen is considered the best QB that is not the golden-haired savior that is Mahomes. So if we give him the patience and support Allen got...it's possible. Not saying it's probable...but I'm intrigued.

 

[75boyz]

I do agree Milton doesnt' have pedigree. I would have been happy had we drafted him in round 3 that year because I absolutely saw him as a sleeper guy that you could develop. But every team passed on him at least 4x...some several more.

That said, Milton passed my eye test in college. Yeah it was against scrubs but he passed my eye test in the NFL. He's basically a more athletic Josh Allen. And I know some will scoff, but Josh Allen changed his entire throwing motion after his rookie year. Many were ready to give up on him after 2. Troy Aikman mentioned Josh Allen - he's connected to him - when everyone else thought he was a dud. Well, Josh Allen is considered the best QB that is not the golden-haired savior that is Mahomes. So if we give him the patience and support Allen got...it's possible. Not saying it's probable...but I'm intrigued.

Nothing wrong with your opinion. I just haven't quite seen the same potential in him as you have from his performance.

In my eyes it's basically a less accurate Dak who can run type situation not entirely different from Lance last year. And there's no real QB developer on the current staff regardless. So in my eyes it's kinda all a moot point.

I respect how opinions vary and mine would have been just as okay with an under the radar 5th rounder this year as Milton.

jmo

 

[OGSixshooter]

Nothing wrong with your opinion. I just haven't quite seen the same potential in him as you have from his performance.

In my eyes it's basically a less accurate Dak who can run type situation not entirely different from Lance last year. And there's no real QB developer on the current staff regardless. So in my eyes it's kinda all a moot point.

I respect how opinions vary and mine would have been just as okay with an under the radar 5th rounder this year as Milton.

jmo

Not saying we shouldn't continue to try to find a true 1st round talent but Milton does have 1st round measurables. He's not say Brock Purdy where he's better than you think but he's never going to have a strong arm. It's speculated Milton has among the strongest arms in the league. He's 6'5", more elusive than Dak ever dreamed of being and can do back flips...so he's more agile and nimble than Dak. If you watch his highlights from the last game...the difficulty and accuracy of his throws were NFL level.

Of course, none of this means he's clutch, can read defenses week after week, can respond to coaching, can absorb an NFL playbook ...basic, basic stuff. But it's been than getting a guy like Cooper Rush who is serviceable and capable for sure but we all know he's not the heir apparent. This guy has 1st round physical ability...something we haven't had around here for a long, long time. Edit: Forgot about Trey Lance, so he's the only other guy I would say has had big potential at QB.

 

[75boyz]

Not saying we shouldn't continue to try to find a true 1st round talent but Milton does have 1st round measurables. He's not say Brock Purdy where he's better than you think but he's never going to have a strong arm. It's speculated Milton has among the strongest arms in the league. He's 6'5", more elusive than Dak ever dreamed of being and can do back flips...so he's more agile and nimble than Dak. If you watch his highlights from the last game...the difficulty and accuracy of his throws were NFL level.

Of course, none of this means he's clutch, can read defenses week after week, can respond to coaching, can absorb an NFL playbook ...basic, basic stuff. But it's been than getting a guy like Cooper Rush who is serviceable and capable for sure but we all know he's not the heir apparent. This guy has 1st round physical ability...something we haven't had around here for a long, long time. Edit: Forgot about Trey Lance, so he's the only other guy I would say has had big potential at QB.

Fair enough.
Those physical traits sometimes translate to actual on field performance and sometimes don't.

I haven't seen enough on field to convince me he's much more than an NFL combine or underwear Olympics champ.

String together a few impressive starts against opposing starters and I'll give credit where it's due.
He needs reps and game action to do that though. And while Dak will most likely get hurt but will Milton already be the QB2 or is that Grier?

Again, not unlike when everyone thought Lance would be QB2 but it ended up Rush.

No worries either way for me.

Cowboys!

 

[plymkr]

.but I'm intrigued.

That’s the word I like: Intrigued. I’m more intrigued by Milton due to what the Patriots side said. A lot of the play by play and radio guys that follow the Patriots said he made “major strides” with his accuracy and reading defenses. He does that 3D VR thing and they talked about how that helped his decision making and reading defenses. There’s also a lot of talk in Patriot land that Milton carried himself as tho he should be QB1 and made it known he felt he should be and wanted to be. According to them that made Drake. “Uncomfortable”. I like that alpha male trait in my QB. I’m not putting a lot of stock in Milton right now but I’m looking forward to seeing him in preseason. But I feel we won the trade if he can be on par or a little less than Rush. I think right now he’s better than Lance so I almost feel we won the trade by getting a more talented and accomplished version of Lance for literally 1/6 the cost. My expectations is he will be better than Lance but if Rush was still here he wouldn’t beat out Rush for QB2.

As far as coaching staff and QBs. I am wanting to see Schotty improve the accuracy and reading defenses with Dak as well. Also help Dak mentally in big games. If that happens then it’s a good hire. If not then it’s more of the same. If Schotty can help Dak in those areas then he can help Milton. If Milton can get his brain and body on the same QB page we may have something there.

But, intriguing is the best word. And this will make the preseason a lot more fun. I’m excited now for TC and the preseason just because a new guy will be there not named Rush, Grier, or Lance.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I've always applauded Dak's work ethic. Dak has exceeded expectations. But by his own measure - watch old clips of him talking about the standard he has for himself and what it already is in Dallas - he's a failure. You're not going to have stacked teams year after year...but you can compete when the odds are favorable, even or even a little against you if you have a top QB. Dak is hindrance when we need him most...work ethic and all. Sometimes the feel good story doesn't have a fairy tale ending...see Tim Tebow...Dak's idol.

Yeah Tebow and Dak ain’t nothing alike. Dak hasn’t had stacked teams but this notion is you can only be a certain QB to give advice? Mark Sanchez helped Dak a lot his rookie season.

 

[DallasEast]

This is a tad off topic but have you ever seen the Michael Jackson thriller video when they use AI to use Arnold Schwarzenegger’s face on Michael’s body. It’s pretty funny and now every time I see the Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif I see Arnold. If there’s a better use for AI I’d like to hear it.

I have not seen it yet but it sounds funny as heck.

 

[plymkr]

I have not seen it yet but it sounds funny as heck.

Yeah, hearing Arnold singing thriller is pretty funny. I’m a hard core Michael Jackson fan so it made me laugh really hard.

 

[ZekeTrain]

How NOT to play in January.

 

[GINeric]

Your questions are poorly thought out because they ignore the big picture. You only focus on portions of the "real life numbers/production".

You ignore the real life numbers/lack of production that regularly occur, usually in the biggest moments.

Dak gets some A+s and he also gets some Fs. When you sugar that all off you end up with a pot full of mediocre.

Don't waste your time typing out the usual 'what about Marino' strawman.

See, its not just that cut and dry. If there are expectations and standards for one quarterback then those same expectations and standards go for ALL quarterbacks.

The problem is, alot of people ignore the "big picture" of this being a TEAM game and they only "focus on portions" of a TEAM game. Last I checked, Marino was an NFL quarterback, so he is fair game under these expectations and standards as well.

Cherry picking and goalpost moving can't be allowed if we're going to have a legit conversation. There can't be one set of standards for Cowboys quarterbacks (especially Romo and Dak) and then cherry picking and excuses for other NFL quarterbacks.

 

[GINeric]

Correct. So why you bringing in the Dakspew in a thread that is not about that? Stay on topic.

Correct, so why do people bring Dak up in topics that aren't about him? I just responded to the people bringing him into conversations and referring to him as a "bum" and "mediocre".

So who's at fault here?? The people that originally jump off topic and bring Dak into topics that isn't about him, or the people that responded to the people who were off topic?

Can't wait to see how you address this one....

 

[DandyDon52]

Dak is a great leader he's a guy in those terms you'd love to lead your team. What other good things can Dak pass on to a young Joe Milton to help in making his career successful? Please give your thoughts

How about this, what can Coogiguy03 learn from Dak ????????????????
Are you both similar in some ways??

 

[Coogiguy03]

How about this, what can Coogiguy03 learn from Dak ????????????????
Are you both similar in some ways??

Yeah I'm in the best shape of my life to call you an eagle lover