What do Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris specifically have in common?

[erod]

Answer: They are the only two players on the all-70s-decade team NOT in the Hall of Fame.

Time to fix this. I hope Drew's performance in Philly helped.

 

[mrmojo]

I wonder if this has happened with other all decade teams where they all haven't made HOF? DREW should be in!

 

[Cowboyz88]

No one should ever claim that there is no Cowboys bias.

 

[Diehardblues]

Answer: They are the only two players on the all-70s-decade team NOT in the Hall of Fame.

Time to fix this. I hope Drew's performance in Philly helped.

Interesting . I wasn't aware they were only ones.

Good news is at some point they might make it in as an old timer. I think they induct one of them every year.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

They both should be in the HOF.

 

[Echo9]

As mentioned on Talkin' Cowboys, the way that draft speech took off could very well help Drew as far as visibility goes. It puts him back in people's minds and when the time comes, voters may spend more time reviewing.

 

[lkelly]

Perhaps it will increase his chances of being inducted as a "Contributor."

 

[robbieruff]

Answer: They are the only two players on the all-70s-decade team NOT in the Hall of Fame.

Time to fix this. I hope Drew's performance in Philly helped.

Objectively as you can express (not evoking the bias argument)...what do you think the knock against Drew is particularly for the HOF? I have pondered this question for quite some time and the only thing I can come up with is the lack of "biggest stage" production - i.e., in Super Bowls...exacerbated by the fact that his opposite number (Swan) seemed to have his best games in those moments when we faced the Steelers...if you look at Drew's SB stats in particular (or even NFC championships), he was often a non-factor statistically speaking in most of those games. I think his best SB (statistically) was XIII but much of his production was in the 4th quarter during the furious comeback (Roger throwing basically every down). He did have a TD catch in SB X but not much beyond that (one other catch).

Don't get me wrong, he's had some great playoff moments obviously (most notably being the "Hail Mary" and the winning TD against Atlanta which would be my number two Drew playoff moment...a game I attended BTW)...but if the HOF selection committee had a case against, would it be that? I mean he had much better regular season production than Swan and a lot of other wideouts eras from the same era so what gives?

For the record, I think he should be in...definitely.

 

[fredp22]

he played in 11 seasons. 7 of those in the 70's and was named to 1st team all decade team. He was in 3 probowls and 3 times all-pro.
He was one of the best clutch receivers Cowboys ever had. He caught the original "Hail Mary" pass and if you back that drive up 1 (or 2) plays he had a catch that was almost better at midfield to set up the play. Not afraid of going over the middle in traffic and often did. He along with Preston Pearson were Staubachs go to receivers when he needed a catch the most.

in Pearson's words-"(I had) 11 seasons with the Cowboys (and) made the playoffs 10 out of those 11 seasons. Never had a losing season. The year we didn’t make the playoffs we finished 8-6. (I) played in seven NFC championship games, which means seven times in 11 seasons I was one game away from a Super Bowl. And I ended up playing in three Super Bowls and winning one."

Selection committee per Gosselin feels there are enough Cowboys from that period but that bs cause the Cowboys were that strong in the 70's. Its when the team earned the "Americas Team" nickname because they were perennial winners.
Any Cowboys fan that saw him play knows he belongs in- just do it already

 

[erod]

Objectively as you can express (not evoking the bias argument)...what do you think the knock against Drew is particularly for the HOF? I have pondered this question for quite some time and the only thing I can come up with is the lack of "biggest stage" production - i.e., in Super Bowls...exacerbated by the fact that his opposite number (Swan) seemed to have his best games in those moments when we faced the Steelers...if you look at Drew's SB stats in particular (or even NFC championships), he was often a non-factor statistically speaking in most of those games. I think his best SB (statistically) was XIII but much of his production was in the 4th quarter during the furious comeback (Roger throwing basically every down). He did have a TD catch in SB X but not much beyond that (one other catch).

Don't get me wrong, he's had some great playoff moments obviously (most notably being the "Hail Mary" and the winning TD against Atlanta which would be my number two Drew playoff moment...a game I attended BTW)...but if the HOF selection committee had a case against, would it be that? I mean he had much better regular season production than Swan and a lot of other wideouts eras from the same era so what gives?

For the record, I think he should be in...definitely.

First, there was a very clear and obvious bias against Cowboys players in that room for many years. I don't think that's the case anymore, but it certainly was back in the day. Early Cowboys hatred seemed more personal back then from the northeastern media because they watched their local crowds go 50/50 for the Cowboys. Dallas was the first team to create that road phenomenon because people gravitated toward Tom Landry, and Tex Schramm was genius enough to volunteer to take on the travel of being in the NFC East and play every Thanksgiving.

Second, time just passed, and the crazy receiver numbers that started to surface in the late 80s and early 90s began to overshadow Drew's numbers.

Landry didn't like superstars. He stubbornly sat Tony Dorsett his rookie year because he didn't like his flashy running style and decisions. He alternated plays with Stauback and Morton for crying out loud. He would find ways to get significant stats to guys like Jay Saldi, Timmy Newsome, Doug Dennison, Ron Springs, Golden Richards, etc.

Rarely did you see Cowboy players with huge production stats except for Staubach toward the end.

Drew was clutch as they came, and he had so many signature type plays. He was Staubach's go-to guy. That alone should put him in the Hall.

 

[irishline]

I wonder if this has happened with other all decade teams where they all haven't made HOF? DREW should be in!

1 Player from the 80s, 3 players from the 90s, and a whole bunch (7+) from the 60s all decade team are not in the hall. (The 60s all decade teams wasn't quite the same so that not an apples to apples comparison). Ralph Neely is one from the 60s who didn't get in.

That said, Drew and Cliff should be in. Not getting in the hall is a travesty for those two. What is even worse is that between the two of them they were a finalist a combined 1 time. One. For both of them combined. What a complete disgrace of a joke that is.

That one was Harris by the way.

Imagine this, one of two 1970's all-decade wide receivers has never even been named as a finalist for consideration. Nevermind Drew not getting in the hall, he hasn't even made the final candidate to vote on list. Horrible.

 

[Plankton]

I wonder if this has happened with other all decade teams where they all haven't made HOF? DREW should be in!

Jerry Kramer was on the 1960's All Decade Team as a guard, and hasn't made the HOF.

 

[robbieruff]

First, there was a very clear and obvious bias against Cowboys players in that room for many years. I don't think that's the case anymore, but it certainly was back in the day. Early Cowboys hatred seemed more personal back then from the northeastern media because they watched their local crowds go 50/50 for the Cowboys. Dallas was the first team to create that road phenomenon because people gravitated toward Tom Landry, and Tex Schramm was genius enough to volunteer to take on the travel of being in the NFC East and play every Thanksgiving.

Second, time just passed, and the crazy receiver numbers that started to surface in the late 80s and early 90s began to overshadow Drew's numbers.

Landry didn't like superstars. He stubbornly sat Tony Dorsett his rookie year because he didn't like his flashy running style and decisions. He alternated plays with Stauback and Morton for crying out loud. He would find ways to get significant stats to guys like Jay Saldi, Timmy Newsome, Doug Dennison, Ron Springs, Golden Richards, etc.

Rarely did you see Cowboy players with huge production stats except for Staubach toward the end.

Drew was clutch as they came, and he had so many signature type plays. He was Staubach's go-to guy. That alone should put him in the Hall.

So in other words, you think it's primarily a player hater issue (Cowboy bias) and secondarily an evolution of the game issue (i.e., league becomes more pass oriented) and thirdly a Landry approach issue? You don't think his SB performances played a role and were magnified by the numbers Swan put up? Frankly, I think the ONLY reason Swan is in the HOF is because of his SB performances as his regular season numbers are below average even by 70's standards.

BTW - I totally agree with you about Landry's stubbornness in that regard. I am still bothered by it to this day. Particularly in SB XIII, which I watched live and have rewatched literally scores of times since...Tony D should have been the MVP of that game and Landry went away from it. First getting cute on that reverse on our first drive (lost fumble) and then running Newhouse frequently in the 2nd and 3rd periods, even on pitch toss sweeps!?! The Steelers had NO answers for Dorsett's speed and would have been shredded by his outside runs, screens, and plays where we sent him out covered by a LBer. Sure, Tony was a little lighter and could be prone to fumbles at times, but that game was not and should not have been the time to keep him on a tight leash. SMH. Still disgusts me to even write about it now...lol.

 

[Bullflop]

In Drew's case, it's just a shame that his career was cut short by that car wreck.

If it weren't for that, I honestly believe that he'd likely have made it, hands down.

 

[mrmojo]

When deciding a candidate for the HOF I always ask, could the story of the era that player played in, change drastically if that player didn't play.

In Drews case the answer is yes. If Drew hadnt been around there would be no Hail Mary, no Clint Longley bomb, no Danny White heroics against Atlants, no playoff win against Rams in 73.....if he didn't get pulled down in SF by a finger, that would be another notch in his belt.

It's a shame he is not in.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

he played in 11 seasons. 7 of those in the 70's and was named to 1st team all decade team. He was in 3 probowls and 3 times all-pro.
He was one of the best clutch receivers Cowboys ever had. He caught the original "Hail Mary" pass and if you back that drive up 1 (or 2) plays he had a catch that was almost better at midfield to set up the play. Not afraid of going over the middle in traffic and often did. He along with Preston Pearson were Staubachs go to receivers when he needed a catch the most.

in Pearson's words-"(I had) 11 seasons with the Cowboys (and) made the playoffs 10 out of those 11 seasons. Never had a losing season. The year we didn’t make the playoffs we finished 8-6. (I) played in seven NFC championship games, which means seven times in 11 seasons I was one game away from a Super Bowl. And I ended up playing in three Super Bowls and winning one."

Selection committee per Gosselin feels there are enough Cowboys from that period but that bs cause the Cowboys were that strong in the 70's. Its when the team earned the "Americas Team" nickname because they were perennial winners.
Any Cowboys fan that saw him play knows he belongs in- just do it already

Enough Cowboys from that era? Never heard that argument about the Steelers. Seems like they have all the players from their 70's teams in.

 

[haleyrules]

he played in 11 seasons. 7 of those in the 70's and was named to 1st team all decade team. He was in 3 probowls and 3 times all-pro.
He was one of the best clutch receivers Cowboys ever had. He caught the original "Hail Mary" pass and if you back that drive up 1 (or 2) plays he had a catch that was almost better at midfield to set up the play. Not afraid of going over the middle in traffic and often did. He along with Preston Pearson were Staubachs go to receivers when he needed a catch the most.

in Pearson's words-"(I had) 11 seasons with the Cowboys (and) made the playoffs 10 out of those 11 seasons. Never had a losing season. The year we didn’t make the playoffs we finished 8-6. (I) played in seven NFC championship games, which means seven times in 11 seasons I was one game away from a Super Bowl. And I ended up playing in three Super Bowls and winning one."

Selection committee per Gosselin feels there are enough Cowboys from that period but that bs cause the Cowboys were that strong in the 70's. Its when the team earned the "Americas Team" nickname because they were perennial winners.
Any Cowboys fan that saw him play knows he belongs in- just do it already

I couldn't agree more.

 

[haleyrules]

In Drew's case, it's just a shame that his career was cut short by that car wreck.

If it weren't for that, I honestly believe that he'd likely have made it, hands down.

He should still be in. He made too many great catches to be ignored.

 

[Seven]

.....They HATE the eagles.