What does the Chad Johnson trade refusual mean for Roy?

[TheCount]

If the Commanders are willing to offer that much for Chad, I've got a feeling they're willing to offer something similar to get Roy, and to keep him out of our hands.

What if draft day rolls round, and we offer our measly 1 first rounder, #28 at that, and the Commanders up the ante? We won't match that big an offer.

I'm really not feeling good about the possibility we land Roy or Boldin on draft day at this point.

 

[NextGenBoys]

There is one big factor that gives us the best chance to land Roy.

He has ONE year left on his contract. If he is going to be traded, it will be a sign/trade deal where he signs an extension. No team is going to trade a first round pick for a player who is not guaranteed to be there in a year.

If Roy is going to be traded, it is going to be to Dallas where he will sign an extension.

All other suitors for Roy hardly have the chance of getting him like we do.

 

[UVAwahoos]

There is one big factor that gives us the best chance to land Roy.

He has ONE year left on his contract. If he is going to be traded, it will be a sign/trade deal where he signs an extension. No team is going to trade a first round pick for a player who is not guaranteed to be there in a year.

If Roy is going to be traded, it is going to be to Dallas where he will sign an extension.

All other suitors for Roy hardly have the chance of getting him like we do.

Great point. The Skins may have draft picks, but they definitely wouldn't be able to match our contract extension offer, plus Roy would choose to come back to Texas anyway.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Hmm, maybe Jerry could get Roy to sign an extension for the league minimum, with the understanding that after he joins the team, Jerry will secretly switch his contract with the other RW's....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Means there will be more then just one player in the Roy Sweepstakes. Thank goodness there are three WRs on the block.

And don't think for a second that Detroit will not consider this more closely come draft day.

 

[slick325]

There is one big factor that gives us the best chance to land Roy.

He has ONE year left on his contract. If he is going to be traded, it will be a sign/trade deal where he signs an extension. No team is going to trade a first round pick for a player who is not guaranteed to be there in a year.

If Roy is going to be traded, it is going to be to Dallas where he will sign an extension.

All other suitors for Roy hardly have the chance of getting him like we do.

I want RW11 opposite T.O. this season as badly as anyone but I am not naive enough to think that RW11 would turn down a Dan Snyder offer just to play in Dallas.

1) The Lions hold the cards not RW11 in any trade scenario. If the offer blows them away he will be traded to whatever team made the offer without a second thought.

2) The team making the trade would of course pony up big bucks for him in the form of an extension with a nice bonus and guaranteed money over the first 3 years. Let's not forget that the NFL is a business and if Snyder throws the money we all know he is prone to throw at high value players (at least high value in his mind) Roy would jump at the offer. Al Davis made that occur when he threw big money at Javon Walker, who also was from Texas, wanted to come home to play and all but said he would be playing next to T.O. in '08.
Dan Snyder is very capable of doing the same thing to Dallas that Al Davis did, make RW11 a godfather offer he just can't refuse.

I hope Dallas is able to make a deal sweet enough ( defensive players included with a pick may make the deal sweeter for Millen) to convince the Lions to make a move and then offer a decent contract to RW11 that will appease him. We shall see soon enough people. Soon enough.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

1) The Lions hold the cards not RW11 in any trade scenario. If the offer blows them away he will be traded to whatever team made the offer without a second thought.

How can you say "the Lions hold the cards not RW11 in any trade scenario"? So you think that a team will make such an offer that "blows the Lions away" without a new contract for RW? So basically trade for a one year player?

No, the Lions do not hold all the cards. For a trade to happen, the Lions and the trading team would have to agree to compensation but RW11 would have to agree to a contract extension.

 

[slick325]

How can you say "the Lions hold the cards not RW11 in any trade scenario"? So you think that a team will make such an offer that "blows the Lions away" without a new contract for RW? So basically trade for a one year player?

No, the Lions do not hold all the cards. For a trade to happen, the Lions and the trading team would have to agree to compensation but RW11 would have to agree to a contract extension.

See number two in my previous post. There is NO way RW11 refuses an extension from any team when he only has a year on the table with the Lions. NO way! If he does, then his agent has a fool for a client.

 

[manimal]

This could turn out good maybe not next year, but the 2009 season when RW is a free agent Dallas can sign him. If wa trades for him, he can learn their playbook and test the free agent market. Then we have WA's playbook plus a new #1 reciever

 

[ndanger]

See number two in my previous post. There is NO way RW11 refuses an extension from any team when he only has a year on the table with the Lions. NO way! If he does, then his agent has a fool for a client.

You are just wrong here.He can say no and should if it's not for the team he wants.He is under contract for another year and will be a free agent.At worst he will be franchised and paid top 5 money for another year after that, then be a free agent. He will get paid either way. Might as well be where he chooses and not some loser like Washington.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

See number two in my previous post. There is NO way RW11 refuses an extension from any team when he only has a year on the table with the Lions. NO way! If he does, then his agent has a fool for a client.

I re-read yours, now re-read mine. Never said that he would not sign an extension if the offer "blew" him away. I just disagreed with you statement about the Lions holding all the cards.

Example: (Lets pretend that RW really wants to come back to Texas)
Cowboys offer the samething to RW11 as Commanders for an extension. But Cowboys have offered the Lions one first round pick were as Commanders has offered two. See where the snafoo comes in?

 

[slick325]

I re-read yours, now re-read mine. Never said that he would not sign an extension if the offer "blew" him away. I just disagreed with you statement about the Lions holding all the cards.

Example: (Lets pretend that RW really wants to come back to Texas)
Cowboys offer the samething to RW11 as Commanders for an extension. But Cowboys have offered the Lions one first round pick were as Commanders has offered two. See where the snafoo comes in?

I completely follow you but again, the Lions have nothing to do with the contract negotiations between RW11 and the other teams. Their only concern is what the offer is and they can accept or reject it. Now if the other team and Roy can't agree in principle then yes the offer from the other team may be rescinded.

Football players who are not free agents have the least leverage of any professional athlete. Their contracts are not guaranteed and do not include "no trade" clauses. Thus, that would mean that the leverage would stay with the team who "owns" the rights to that player right? In this case, the leverage is Detroit's. They can trade him where they want and all he can do is squabble over money with another team, who if they want to can trade for him, make him play under his one year deal and then franchise him next season if they care to.

If that were to occur, Roy would be in the same position he is in currently in Detroit. Playing on a one year contract. If he gets hurt again he will not see the big payday I am sure he wants (he's been playing on his rookie deal). No player wants to be without the security a long term deal offers. That is why I say there is NO way he holds any cards in this and NO way he wouldn't agree to a reasonable extension offered by whomever.

 

[Rampage]

it means Roy will be a Commander,eagle or stay a Lion cause jerry isn't gonna go crazy trying to get him. he's good but he's not that good.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I bet the price went up...

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

I completely follow you but again, the Lions have nothing to do with the contract negotiations between RW11 and the other teams. Their only concern is what the offer is and they can accept or reject it. Now if the other team and Roy can't agree in principle then yes the offer from the other team may be rescinded.

Football players who are not free agents have the least leverage of any professional athlete. Their contracts are not guaranteed and do not include "no trade" clauses. Thus, that would mean that the leverage would stay with the team who "owns" the rights to that player right? In this case, the leverage is Detroit's. They can trade him where they want and all he can do is squabble over money with another team, who if they want to can trade for him, make him play under his one year deal and then franchise him next season if they care to.

If that were to occur, Roy would be in the same position he is in currently in Detroit. Playing on a one year contract. If he gets hurt again he will not see the big payday I am sure he wants (he's been playing on his rookie deal). No player wants to be without the security a long term deal offers. That is why I say there is NO way he holds any cards in this and NO way he wouldn't agree to a reasonable extension offered by whomever.

So we disagree on the fact that you think a team will trade for him without an extension and I don't.

I just don't see a team trading for him without a contract extension and having to face a contract squabble when they could just keep their picks and draft accordingly.

 

[slick325]

So we disagree on the fact that you think a team will trade for him without an extension and I don't.

I just don't see a team trading for him without a contract extension and having to face a contract squabble when they could just keep their picks and draft accordingly.

I don't think it would happen either. My point is, teams not players have leverage in these matters. IF, Detroit and the other team agree there is nothing RW11 can do. His rights will be the new team's. Now, would I trade for a guy who may give me a hard time contract-wise, no but could it happen, yes.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

There is one big factor that gives us the best chance to land Roy.

He has ONE year left on his contract. If he is going to be traded, it will be a sign/trade deal where he signs an extension. No team is going to trade a first round pick for a player who is not guaranteed to be there in a year.

If Roy is going to be traded, it is going to be to Dallas where he will sign an extension.

All other suitors for Roy hardly have the chance of getting him like we do.

So are you saying that Roy wants to go to Dallas because of the Texas connections, or that the Commanders won't be able to pay him as much? Because on the second point I disagree - the Skins cleared 8 million from the cap in order to pursue Chad Johnson.

 

[silverbear]

If the Commanders are willing to offer that much for Chad, I've got a feeling they're willing to offer something similar to get Roy, and to keep him out of our hands.

What if draft day rolls round, and we offer our measly 1 first rounder, #28 at that, and the Commanders up the ante? We won't match that big an offer.

I'm really not feeling good about the possibility we land Roy or Boldin on draft day at this point.

Well, if the Skins are willing to gamble that they can then sign Roy to a contract extension-- he's in the final year of his deal-- then they might be a risk to the Boys' plans... but absent an agreement on a contract extension, do you see any team willing to fork over more than a first round pick for him??

Now, consider that he has repeatedly told folks that he'd like to play in Texas, where he can be closer to his child...

That's the wild card that works for the Cowboys, and against the Skins-- Roy would almost certainly be a lot more eager to sign long-term in Dallas than he would in DC...