What exactly is Bill Parcells' record with OLs anyway?

[Maikeru-sama]

Im way to lazy to look this up and I know there are a ton of people on this board that know way more about Parcells than I do. Mainly the qualitative (those who actually saw his picks play) side, not the quantitative side (looking at some website to see all of his Offensive Line draft picks.).?

Is his reputation for picking offensive lineman as good as his knack for finding running backs and linebackers?

- Mike G.

 

[Ashwynn]

Based on Rogers and Johnson and Petteti its weak. I think Petteti will be ok in time, but I think hes overwhelmed at the moment. I dont know if he built the Giants O line, but they were really decent. I dont remember his teams with New York and Buffalo.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Here is what a very informed poster on another board had to say:

With the Patriots, he drafted Todd Rucci and Max Lane, who were decent contributors to their Super Bowl run. Neither were stars, but they were solid performers. He also drafted Dave Wohlabaugh, who was a good center for the Patriots during this time as well.

With the Jets, he drafted Jason Fabini, Randy Thomas and Ryan Young, and all were very good with the Jets. Young's career, as we know, was cut short by knee problems. He also signed Kevin Mawae as a FA, and Mawae has been arguably the best center in the league during that span. He missed on drafting Lamont Burns(5th rd, 1997), Doug Karczewski and Eric Bateman(both in the 5th, 1998).

Overall, his selections in the past were pretty good. With the Cowboys, guys still need time to be evaluated.

 

[AbeBeta]

It is pretty similar to his record with the DL. The DL is fixed because we used two first rounders (Ware & Spears), a forth (Canty), got lucky on a late pick who can contribute (Ratliff), and signed a big money FA (Ferguson). This was after giving up on a former 1st rounder (Ekuban) and signing a non-productive FA (Wiley).

He's been more conservative in trying to fix the OL. He's used two seconds (Johnson & Rogers), a third (Peterman), and gotten luck on a late round pick who can contribute (Petitti - I'm not saying start -- I'm saying contribute) and a rookie FA who can do the same (Tucker). We signed a big money FA (Rivera) -- will soon give up on a former high pick (Gurode) and also signed a non-productive FA (Young).

The approaches are very similar. So why the different outcomes? Two guys -- Rogers and Rivera. You plug healthy versions of those guys in the lineup and we've got a much better line.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I wonder if Bill chances his tune this draft and selects an offensive lineman in the first round. Not a sexy pick to alot of people, but it would really go along way.

 

[BlueStar II]

mickgreen58 - Normally I'm not in favor of us using our 1st pick on an OL, but the way our OL has been playing, I'd say go for it and make our first pick an OL, but only "if" that pick would be for a player who would not be considered a "reach". If....we select an OL with our first pick, then we need to make sure we hit on someone this time who will contribute soon, and not be a project type player. Equally important...we need to thoroughly check on his injury history as well, we don't want to take a chance on a guy who has a history of knee, back, or some other kind of injuries in college.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What's stymied the growth of the O-Line under Parcells is injuries.

Sign Ryan Young? Starts off well then has a knee injury and retires.

Draft Jacob Rogers? You know that story.

Draft Stephen Petermann? I-R his rookie year.

Draft Al Johnson? Has a major knee injury and isn't the same.

Sign Marco Rivera? Suffers back injury and isn't the same.

Sign Genarro DiNapoli? Gets injured and is released.

So, I'm not going to say the lack of O-Line play is all Parcells' fault. And when you think about it, it has improved from the Campo era.

What concerns me is that this team cannot run block. Couldn't in 2003, 2004 and can't now.

Even when Julius was getting big yards last year, I had to feel he was almost doing it by himself. And since the run blocking hasn't improved under Parcells, I'm worried about that.

Rich.........

 

[Ashwynn]

It is pretty similar to his record with the DL. The DL is fixed because we used two first rounders (Ware & Spears), a forth (Canty), got lucky on a late pick who can contribute (Ratliff), and signed a big money FA (Ferguson). This was after giving up on a former 1st rounder (Ekuban) and signing a non-productive FA (Wiley).

He's been more conservative in trying to fix the OL. He's used two seconds (Johnson & Rogers), a third (Peterman), and gotten luck on a late round pick who can contribute (Petitti - I'm not saying start -- I'm saying contribute) and a rookie FA who can do the same (Tucker). We signed a big money FA (Rivera) -- will soon give up on a former high pick (Gurode) and also signed a non-productive FA (Young).

The approaches are very similar. So why the different outcomes? Two guys -- Rogers and Rivera. You plug healthy versions of those guys in the lineup and we've got a much better line.

Good Assesment there. I'd say thats about right on.

 

[AbeBeta]

What's stymied the growth of the O-Line under Parcells is injuries.

I never do this but you get a big

 

[VirusX]

Based on Rogers and Johnson and Petteti its weak. I think Petteti will be ok in time, but I think hes overwhelmed at the moment. I dont know if he built the Giants O line, but they were really decent. I dont remember his teams with New York and Buffalo.

Rob is a 7th rounder.. I'd say he made a good selection to get a decent starter at the RT position in the 7th round. Bust Robs ballz all ya want he isnt the only one who gets beat for sacks against the guys he is facing.. I personally am proud of Rob. He did "hit a wall" so to speak but he has a nasty streak and will break thru that wall. He should be very solid next season.

 

[Alexander]

Sign Ryan Young? Starts off well then has a knee injury and retires.

Young was damaged goods before he got here. We just hoped he had something left.

Draft Stephen Petermann? I-R his rookie year.

Peterman is completely healthy, yet just suited up for his first pro game more than halfway through this season. If this were his rookie year, some would be calling him a bust and he very well may be.

So, I'm not going to say the lack of O-Line play is all Parcells' fault. And when you think about it, it has improved from the Campo era.

Only the final year of Campo. Anything was better than that. But it is pretty clear that this offensive line is the worst we have had since Parcells took over in 2003.

What concerns me is that this team cannot run block. Couldn't in 2003, 2004 and can't now.

We had results running the ball last season. Whether or not that was in spite of the line is debateable. We certainly pass blocked much better with lesser talent on the right side of the line.

 

[Hostile]

Here is what a very informed poster on another board had to say:

I always liked reading Hatch's opinions.

 

[silver]

His selections with the Giants were great: Jumbo Elliott was a second round pick. Bart Oates was a FA signee from the USFL, William Roberts also played there a long time. Bob Scratch (sp) was third rounder who panned out for him. All in all he has a good track record developing talent. Don't understimate the job he's done with Larry Allen and Flozell Adams who most of us here thought were washed up in 2002. Al Johnson and Andre Gurode may not be there yet but have shown signs of improvement. And Tucker is light years ahead of what he was as a fa rookie three years ago.

this is the OL that started in the 1991 super bowl. all of them developed by BP
Oates, Bart C
Moore, Eric G
Roberts, William G
Elliott, Jumbo T
Riesenberg, Doug T