What I Think Dallas could do MOCK (rounds 1-5)

[ABQCOWBOY]

This Jonathan Massaquoi kid is interesting. He's a kid that I would not mind taking a look at a little later.

 

[supercowboy8]

Go look at Anthony Spencer's draft profile and compare it to all the OLB/DE tweener's in this draft. He had all the upside in the world. I'll stick with the one I know versus the history of offensive guards getting drafted in the 1st round and the hit and miss of linebackers in the first round.

Kind of like the last one the Cowboys drafted in the first round prior to Spencer.

Is that why he feel to the 28th spot in the 1st and if Dallas wouldn't have traded up to get him he would have went early 2nd. I need to know his draft profile, I know what he was in and what he turned into.

I don't want to over pay for Spencer, I can use that money at OL or CB.
Melvin Ingram, Donta Hightower, and Vontaze Burfict I think can do everything Spencer did last year for a much lower price.

 

[Doomsday101]

Go look at Anthony Spencer's draft profile and compare it to all the OLB/DE tweener's in this draft. He had all the upside in the world. I'll stick with the one I know versus the history of offensive guards getting drafted in the 1st round and the hit and miss of linebackers in the first round.

Kind of like the last one the Cowboys drafted in the first round prior to Spencer.

Part of that will depend on what Spencers asking price will be. I don't think Dallas should pay him top money and if that is the case then I would look to the draft. As for upside what upside does Spencer provide? if he has not progressed yet there is no upside left

 

[TheSport78]

and if he doesn't, short arms, they aren't that short, his arms just aren't super long. Length of arms is stupid to worry about. Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw. Ingram will go before Upshaw in the draft. If INgram isn't there and we sign Nicks then I say drop back and get Hightower or Burfict, both have better explosion than Upshaw.

Both came in at under 6-foot-2 and more than 270 pounds with short arms. In the 2007 draft, the same thing happened to LaMarr Woodley and he dropped to the second round. But tape doesn't lie. Woodley proved it was unwise to pass on him and he's developed into one of the best 3-4 linebackers in the NFL. The same could happen to Upshaw and Ingram.

 

[robert70x7]

Is that why he feel to the 28th spot in the 1st and if Dallas wouldn't have traded up to get him he would have went early 2nd. I need to know his draft profile, I know what he was in and what he turned into.

I don't want to over pay for Spencer, I can use that money at OL or CB.
Melvin Ingram, Donta Hightower, and Vontaze Burfict I think can do everything Spencer did last year for a much lower price.

So we're going to draft a Spencer clone over a 10 year starter at offensive guard? No thanks. We can find someone who can do what Spencer does in a platoon with Butler.

 

[supercowboy8]

do you not have words to explain yourself, do you have anything to back up your statement.
I'm not crazy about Upshaw and I have read where alot of people feel the same. He has had a good senior bowl but no where near great.

 

[robert70x7]

Part of that will depend on what Spencers asking price will be. I don't think Dallas should pay him top money and if that is the case then I would look to the draft. As for upside what upside does Spencer provide? if he has not progressed yet there is no upside left

If he wants Calvin Pace money, don't re-sign him. I should've been more clear about that.

Spencer is still relatively young and he has been solid. I have issues with the fact that he gave up in the season, but I still like what he offers the team.

If we draft a OLB, I don't have a problem with it, I just think there is more value with DeCastro.

 

[reddyuta]

I dont think they will re-sign Spencer and its not worth it either.He is a mediocre pass rusher at best but some 3-4 will make a big offer for him-atleast 55 million and we can get similar production from our first rd pick for the fraction of that cost.we need to use our FA money to get a new center and a guard,we cannot waste another Tony romo year.

 

[supercowboy8]

So we're going to draft a Spencer clone over a 10 year starter at offensive guard? No thanks. We can find someone who can do what Spencer does in a platoon with Butler.

no you can't becasue Butler can't do what Spencer does.
I never said who you draft will be a Spencer clone. I said you can draft a player that atleast does what Spencer does, but I expect them to be much better.

You would take a OG at 14 when you need a starting OLB and CB. I can find a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd alot easier than I can a CB or OLB.
Look at how many CBs and OLBs go in the 1st and how many OGs go. That just shows how teams value those positions.

I can sign NIcks with the money I save by letting Spencer walk and Nicks is far and away better than any OG in this draft right now.

 

[TheSport78]

do you not have words to explain yourself, do you have anything to back up your statement.
I'm not crazy about Upshaw and I have read where alot of people feel the same. He has had a good senior bowl but no where near great.

Put it this way. I'll trust Mike Mayock's opinion that Upshaw is the #1 OLB in the draft over supercowboy8.

I find it hilarious that you stated "Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw" WHEN THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED A DOWN IN THE NFL.

Good God.

 

[robert70x7]

no you can't becasue Butler can't do what Spencer does.
I never said who you draft will be a Spencer clone. I said you can draft a player that atleast does what Spencer does, but I expect them to be much better.

You would take a OG at 14 when you need a starting OLB and CB. I can find a starting OG in the 2nd or 3rd alot easier than I can a CB or OLB.
Look at how many CBs and OLBs go in the 1st and how many OGs go. That just shows how teams value those positions.

I can sign NIcks with the money I save by letting Spencer walk and Nicks is far and away better than any OG in this draft right now.

I understand what you're saying.

Nicks contract would leave us hamstrung in my opinion and I think we can find cornerbacks through free agency, as well as a free safety. I like the idea of getting younger on the offensive line with Kosier probably leaving. I looked up the OLB and you're right, the majority of all-pro linebackers get drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Just the fact there is so many of them linked to us, I don't know which one I would like them to draft. My gut tells me Ingram, but I haven't looked at them enough because I've been so stuck on us drafting DeCastro.

 

[supercowboy8]

I understand what you're saying.

Nicks contract would leave us hamstrung in my opinion and I think we can find cornerbacks through free agency, as well as a free safety. I like the idea of getting younger on the offensive line with Kosier probably leaving. I looked up the OLB and you're right, the majority of all-pro linebackers get drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Just the fact there is so many of them linked to us, I don't know which one I would like them to draft. My gut tells me Ingram, but I haven't looked at them enough because I've been so stuck on us drafting DeCastro.

how will Nicks leave us hamstrung? you can back load a contract but lets say we sign him as the highest OG ever which will be just over 8 a year and we pay 8 million this year. Dallas will have 20-22 in cap space. so 20-8 would leave Dallas with 12 millin in cap space left. How does that leave a team hamstrung? Take another 4 million away for drafted players and you still have 8 million in cap space.
Also like I said you can sign players to a 1 million salary but give them a big big signing bonus which can keep you cap low for this year and not hurt you.

Teams know how they can manipulate the cap and over sign players. Signing Nicks will not Hamstring the cowboys in any way.

also in your Mock Brewster is playing awful in the senior bowl. They are putting Zietler at Center becasue Brewster keeps getting blown up. Might want to change that.

 

[robert70x7]

how will Nicks leave us hamstrung? you can back load a contract but lets say we sign him as the highest OG ever which will be just over 8 a year and we pay 8 million this year. Dallas will have 20-22 in cap space. so 20-8 would leave Dallas with 12 millin in cap space left. How does that leave a team hamstrung? Take another 4 million away for drafted players and you still have 8 million in cap space.
Also like I said you can sign players to a 1 million salary but give them a big big signing bonus which can keep you cap low for this year and not hurt you.

Teams know how they can manipulate the cap and over sign players. Signing Nicks will not Hamstring the cowboys in any way.

also in your Mock Brewster is playing awful in the senior bowl. They are putting Zietler at Center becasue Brewster keeps getting blown up. Might want to change that.

I don't like giving him a big contract, I would rather the Cowboys draft and develop their players. Of course they need to sign free agents where necessary, but I think that'll be on defense with our secondary issues.

So I should change my imaginary mock draft on one all-star game versus a career of consistent starts? No thanks. I didn't know CowboysZone had Mel Kiper on the boards.

 

[supercowboy8]

Put it this way. I'll trust Mike Mayock's opinion that Upshaw is the #1 OLB in the draft over supercowboy8.

I find it hilarious that you stated "Ingram is a better pro player than Upshaw" WHEN THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED A DOWN IN THE NFL.

Good God.

Pro prospect is what I mean. I will go by what I see when I watch games and not just listen to some guy because he is on TV.
Also there are also many other ex NFL scouts and coaches that like Ingram more than Upshaw. But you listen to Mayock, I guess he has never been wrong. Why don't you check out his top 5s from 2011 and 2010 and see how right he was.

 

[supercowboy8]

I don't like giving him a big contract, I would rather the Cowboys draft and develop their players. Of course they need to sign free agents where necessary, but I think that'll be on defense with our secondary issues.

So I should change my imaginary mock draft on one all-star game versus a career of consistent starts? No thanks.

Oh yeah I would rather build through the draft but with your best players getting at the end of the careers and you in a need to win now mode, you don't have time for a 4th rounder to develop. Thats why we need to be liek Housotn and San Fran last year.
Go out and get the player you need in FA and early in the draft.

 

[SDogo]

3rd round:

Brandon Boykin, Georgia, CB

I like Boykin because he's physical, and is a solid punt and kickoff returner, something the Cowboys need badly. I still expect a veteran CB to be signed.

Also a player the Cowboys are meeting with.

 

[TheSport78]

Pro prospect is what I mean. I will go by what I see when I watch games and not just listen to some guy because he is on TV.
Also there are also many other ex NFL scouts and coaches that like Ingram more than Upshaw. But you listen to Mayock, I guess he has never been wrong. Why don't you check out his top 5s from 2011 and 2010 and see how right he was.

Some guy lol. Mayock is highly regarded in the league and by scouts, but I'll take your word for it. You have credentials as well. Oh wait, no...you don't. I'm not wasting my time with someone who embraces conflict. I'm sticking to my opinion, and you can stick to yours, but don't make ridiculous comments like Ingram is a better pro prospect than Upshaw. This is CLEARLY an opinion, so don't try and make your questionable opinions seem like facts, when they are FAR from it.

 

[Doomsday101]

If he wants Calvin Pace money, don't re-sign him. I should've been more clear about that.

Spencer is still relatively young and he has been solid. I have issues with the fact that he gave up in the season, but I still like what he offers the team.

If we draft a OLB, I don't have a problem with it, I just think there is more value with DeCastro.

I am on board with DeCastro as well and some other I like in the 1st rd well one of them is Upshaw as well as Ingram. I'm open to these guys because one we don't know how the draft will fall and 2 if Spencer leaves then OLB in a 3-4 defense gets to be pretty important area to fill. So say Dallas went with Upshaw then came back with Zietler on the next pick I can't say I would be upset.

I also should have added what we do in FA will play a big part as well.

 

[robert70x7]

Also a player the Cowboys are meeting with.

Boykin will go in the 2nd round.

 

[TheSport78]

Boykin will go in the 2nd round.

Let's see what happens at the combine. A lot can change after that.