What is Palmer's Philosophy?

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I know very little about this guy... does he run to set up the pass or the opposite? Does he use lots of motion and shifting? does he use the shotgun often? is he conservative or does he like to use "jap" plays? Any input would be appreciated.
 

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Teague31 said:
I know very little about this guy... does he run to set up the pass or the opposite? Does he use lots of motion and shifting? does he use the shotgun often? is he conservative or does he like to use "jap" plays? Any input would be appreciated.

all I know about the guy is a snippet, that he likes to run complex and aggressive schemes
 

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CactusCowboy said:
"jap" plays??? You have something against Asians?
calm down cactus- just a BP quote from a few years back.
 

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Palmer was New England's quarterbacks coach during Bledsoe's breakout season of 1996. Bledsoe led the Patriots to the Super Bowl that year while throwing for 4,087 yards and 27 touchdowns.

"Chris was instrumental for me at a pivotal point in my career," Bledsoe said. "I had a tough year in 1995, we hadn't won many games and I struggled a little bit. He really helped me to develop and play at a high level."

Following the 1996 season, Palmer joined Tom Coughlin's staff in Jacksonville as the Offensive Coordinator. He helped the Jaguars claim the AFC Central Division title in 1998 and was an instrumental tutor to Pro Bowl QB Mark Brunell.

The past two seasons, Palmer was the head coach of the expansion Browns, and worked with Tim Couch, the top pick in the 1999 NFL Draft.

Chris is an outstanding quarterback coach and an outstanding coordinator," Bledsoe said.
 

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While he implemented the zone blocking scheme in Houston so that should give you a clue.

No he is not aggressive he rarely let Carr through down field even with Johnson he does run multiple packages but it was nothing special and it seemed to confuse his players more than the defense and the players body language the last few years showed they did not buy into his system.

That is what I have seen since he has been in Houston

:puke: Chris Palmer
 

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Teague31 said:
I know very little about this guy... does he run to set up the pass or the opposite? Does he use lots of motion and shifting? does he use the shotgun often? is he conservative or does he like to use "jap" plays? Any input would be appreciated.

He likes to get his QB's killed, especially when they are young QBs. He especially likes to do it by having terrible offensive lines, (which we already do), and then calling plays where the QB is required to take 7 step drops, read the field, before passing the ball or taking a sack whichever comes first.

For more reference see the Houston Texans, (David Carr), or the Cleveland Browns, (Tim couch).

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Funny but 10 years late Bledsoe is closing in on 50,000 yards. Couch sucked and has been out of NFL for 2 seasons and Carr is on his way to major bust. At least now Parcells/Ireland are buying groceries and will work with Palmer - not against him......




Patriots: Bledsoe will be under close scrutiny
Associated Press
Aug. 1, 1996
Smithfield, R.I. -- The Patriots are hoping Drew Bledsoe's offensive potential is resurrected after a disappointing 1995.

There will be a lot of eyes on the young quarterback Friday night, but none will be more sharply focused than Chris Palmer's.

The New England Patriots' former receivers coach is now in charge of Bledsoe's progress as an NFL quarterback, and he has been helping the fourth-year veteran get ready for Friday night's preseason opener against the Packers in Green Bay.

"He's only responsible for just my position, so he's watching every single throw," Bledsoe said Wednesday at Bryant College. "If I throw a bad one, he can say, "Well, listen, that time your foot was here and you dropped your elbow,' and things like that, so that's been helpful."

The resurrection of Bledsoe's offensive potential became an offseason priority for the Patriots after the former No. 1 draft choice slipped from 4,555 yards passing in 1994 to 3,507 last year. He also slipped from a 57.9-percent completion rate to 50.8 percent.

Palmer, in his seventh NFL coaching season, had last coached quarterbacks for the USFL's New Jersey Generals in 1985, tutoring Doug Flutie and Brian Sipe. The idea with Bledsoe is to work out the bad habits in his throwing motion that developed after he suffered a separated left (non-throwing) shoulder in last season's third game, at San Francisco.

Patriots' head coach Bill Parcells does not allow his assistant coaches to speak to the media, but Bledsoe said he has already seen an improvement from Parker's tutelage.

"Now that I look at it with the help of Chris Palmer to determine the areas I need to work on, it's pretty easy to see where it's going to help," Bledsoe said. "It (the shoulder injury) no longer has any effect. I worked with Chris on a few mechanical things with my release, but it should be cleared up.

"I've had a few bad practices, which you tend to have in training camp, but for the most part, I think I'm taking steps in the right direction," Bledsoe added.

Parcells was not quite as certain that he's seen improvement in his quarterback.

"I don't know if I can say yes to that right now," he said. "Friday night will be a good indication of that."

Parcells was unclear how much Bledsoe would play against the Packers, other than to say that he would play three of his quarterbacks (presumably Bledsoe, Scott Zolak and Jay Barker) for a third of the game apiece.

Bledsoe said he had some specific goals for the preseason.

"I want to be very effective in my passing game, I want to have better than 60 percent completions, and I want to get the ball in the end zone," he said.

One of his newer weapons may not see action in the Green Bay game. First-round draft pick Terry Glenn has a slight hamstring pull in his left leg and may not play.

"I don't think it's serious," Parcells said. "But I don't know ... he's been hurt three times, a shoulder, concussion and the hamstring, and that kind of worries you a little bit."

Parcells said he was most worried about Glenn falling behind in the learning process.

"He's missed three days and today's four," he said. "With him it's one step forward and two back. He could practice from now to October, and he'd still be learning."
 

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Teague31 said:
I know very little about this guy... does he run to set up the pass or the opposite? Does he use lots of motion and shifting? does he use the shotgun often? is he conservative or does he like to use "jap" plays? Any input would be appreciated.


Palmer runs alot of the West Coast Offense. Alot of three step drops and quick passes.

He didnt have alot of Success with the Browns, even though the last year he was there a whole bunch of their players were on Injured Reserve.

When Palmer didnt have much talent on the team, generally his offenses and the team in general struggled. But when he had some good weapons on the field, his teams were pretty good, as was the case when he was Offensive Coordinator with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

He has alot of familiarity with Drew Bledsoe because among other chores, he was the Quarterbacks coach for the Patriots. He has a reputation not unlike Sean Payton with being help to help develop young Quarterbacks. He worked with Brunnell and Bledsoe, and both had alot of success under him.

He also of course worked with David Carr.

The kind of players we have now are perfect for his type of philosiphy, quick drops, dink and dunk. He has also had some pretty good running attacks with guys like Fred Taylor and Dominick Davis.

I dont know how this guy will turn out but I know he would really be able to help the young Quarterbacks on the roster. If we could get a Jay Cutler or another young QB in the 3rd or 4th Round like unpolished but high potential guys like Reggie Mcneal, he could really ease their transition.

- Mike G.
 

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Kangaroo said:
No he is not aggressive he rarely let Carr through down field even with Johnson

Just wondering how you suggest an offense can run downfield plays when the QB is on his butt even before completing a three step drop? Really, I want to know.
 

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Mr Cowboy said:
He likes to get his QB's killed, especially when they are young QBs. He especially likes to do it by having terrible offensive lines, (which we already do), and then calling plays where the QB is required to take 7 step drops, read the field, before passing the ball or taking a sack whichever comes first.

For more reference see the Houston Texans, (David Carr), or the Cleveland Browns, (Tim couch).

:lmao2:


In all fairness, he only had Tim Couch for his full Rookie Season. In the middle of his 2nd year, Couch sustained a ACL Tear but I am not sure if that was a result of being sacked or what.

When he doesnt have talent around him, his offenses struggle, but to be honest, it is not the offensive coordinators' job to get talent on the field, even though he must adjust and put whatever players he has in the best possible position to win.

There is talent on the Offense, and he has shown he can "Get Err Done" when he had talent.

But...

When he had poor offensive lines, like with the Texans and the Browns, his QBs got sacked alot because as you said, he utilizes alot of 3 and 7 step drops.

- Mike G.
 

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Teague31 said:
I know very little about this guy... does he run to set up the pass or the opposite? Does he use lots of motion and shifting? does he use the shotgun often? is he conservative or does he like to use "jap" plays? Any input would be appreciated.

Try to remember Jacksonvilles offense in the late 90s. They were run first, then throw deep. He also likes the tight end which could be a windfall for Jason Witten. Heck, he made a star out of Pete Mitchell for crying out loud.

If he can do that for Mitchell, what do you think he will do for Witten?

This also might suggest that Dallas is looking for a wide receiver more seriously than in previous years. Palmer does like a guy who can get deep and Key and Glenn are getting up there in age.
 

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Kangaroo said:
While he implemented the zone blocking scheme in Houston so that should give you a clue.

No he is not aggressive he rarely let Carr through down field even with Johnson he does run multiple packages but it was nothing special and it seemed to confuse his players more than the defense and the players body language the last few years showed they did not buy into his system.

That is what I have seen since he has been in Houston

:puke: Chris Palmer

He purposely made sure they had a bad O-Line.

Ill take his results with Brunell and Bledsoe, Carr may turn out good, and we can all agree that Couch is just a collosal bust.

Couch couldnt make it in GB eitehr by the way.
 

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Somehow I would think that Palmer would have Parcells finger prints all over him. Nothing gets done unless BP okays it.
 

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Teague31 said:
calm down cactus- just a BP quote from a few years back.

Well being Japanese myself, I know the quote and how it was used, but wonder how some would feel if there own ethnicity was slurred and used as a descriptor. I have pretty thick skin, so it really doesnt bother me. Just surprises me how some racial slurs are accepted, and some arent.

Back to Mr Palmer. If he ends up in Dallas, let's all hope he finds greater success than what he enjoyed in Cleveland. Not sure we have the talent to run a WC O.
 

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Calicowboy said:
Well being Japanese myself, I know the quote and how it was used, but wonder how some would feel if there own ethnicity was slurred and used as a descriptor. I have pretty thick skin, so it really doesnt bother me. Just surprises me how some racial slurs are accepted, and some arent.

Back to Mr Palmer. If he ends up in Dallas, let's all hope he finds greater success than what he enjoyed in Cleveland. Not sure we have the talent to run a WC O.

Calico,

Being down here in Gulfport, MS, I can tell you that there are people here still fighting the Civil War. There are still much anger over the twin towers falling. There are people in Britian still angered over the Revolution (as crazy as that sounds).

My mother-in-law has lived in Mindanao (Republic of Philippines) all of her life. When she was 4, hiding in earby bushes, she saw Japanese soldiers throw grenades in the cave the rest of her family were hiding in and killed them.

Does this substantiate the right to use racial slurs? No.

For some people though, the anger is very difficult to get over with.

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Don't worry about Palmer and the WCO. The WCO is predicated on using short passes as part of the running game. Palmer likes to use the running game and throw deep.
 

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Palmer runs alot of the West Coast Offense. Alot of three step drops and quick passes.

He didnt have alot of Success with the Browns, even though the last year he was there a whole bunch of their players were on Injured Reserve.

When Palmer didnt have much talent on the team, generally his offenses and the team in general struggled. But when he had some good weapons on the field, his teams were pretty good, as was the case when he was Offensive Coordinator with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

He has alot of familiarity with Drew Bledsoe because among other chores, he was the Quarterbacks coach for the Patriots. He has a reputation not unlike Sean Payton with being help to help develop young Quarterbacks. He worked with Brunnell and Bledsoe, and both had alot of success under him.

He also of course worked with David Carr.

The kind of players we have now are perfect for his type of philosiphy, quick drops, dink and dunk. He has also had some pretty good running attacks with guys like Fred Taylor and Dominick Davis.

I dont know how this guy will turn out but I know he would really be able to help the young Quarterbacks on the roster. If we could get a Jay Cutler or another young QB in the 3rd or 4th Round like unpolished but high potential guys like Reggie Mcneal, he could really ease their transition.

- Mike G.
Mabey the type of coach to bring along a "Henson" type
 

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I hope the kind that calls plays that scores 6 points instead of settling for 3 and the miss!
 
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