What is raw talent with a QB? And why we need it!

[Cowboysfandarin]

Follow this and where it all leads.....Let's go with Farve first. Did you know that Farve admitted he did not understand the fundamental alignments of defenses for almost a decade in the NFL and didn't even bother to really study it, ever? He understood how plays unfolded and where his receivers would be and when and could adjust on the fly, but he truly did not fully grasp even defensive sets. He just knew his offense and winged it with pure raw talent when needed.

After he had been in the league for FIVE years and already made a mark, during practice one day, he approached a teammate after hearing, "nickel defense a dozen times" he asked his teammate "explain what the **** a nickel defense means." He truly did not know. His teammate was in shock, at first he thought Farve was joking and when he realized he was serious, he said, "basically it means taking out a linebacker and bringing in an extra defensive back. Farve looked at him and replied, "That's it? who the **** cares"

The point being, the man was a natural. He had those natural gifts to play the game you need in a franchise, NFL QB. Dak, the guy we are stuck with, does not! He never will. He's just not an NFL caliber QB.

Romo, came off the bench, cold and lead our team up and down the field all game long. He was not fully developed, he was winging it and still did things Dak could never do in that one half of football and only got better from there.

We need a new QB and we need it quick. I honestly with the QB's would recognize this and cut their losses and bring in someone to develop and do it now.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

It’s a little disheartening that we don’t hear anything about Mike White. I’m read to call it a loss pick. He was only a fifth rounder but he way we love to talk about backup qbs, you never hear anything about him. I’d love to hear he has laser arm strength or sidearms or something to let me know he’s still there.


The only good bathing I can muster up is he must have something cuz he cowboys are afraid to tried to pass him on the practice squad and potentially lose him. Couldn’t tell much from his YouTube highlight except that he’s big and has a deep ball, but I didn’t see a lot of velocity on them passes

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

It’s a little disheartening that we don’t hear anything about Mike White. I’m read to call it a loss pick. He was only a fifth rounder but he way we love to talk about backup qbs, you never hear anything about him. I’d love to hear he has laser arm strength or sidearms or something to let me know he’s still there.


The only good bathing I can muster up is he must have something cuz he cowboys are afraid to tried to pass him on the practice squad and potentially lose him. Couldn’t tell much from his YouTube highlight except that he’s big and has a deep ball, but I didn’t see a lot of velocity on them passes

True, but we have to try something. Dak is athletic, he just lacks the fundamental mental aspects that roll into his athletics to play the game at the level needed. Watch his drop back in the pocket. He gets back and set faster that any QB in the league, but from that moment? Unless everything unfolds perfectly, he breaks down and shifts and becomes a "deer in headlights" He just not a natural.

 

[wick]

The most important trait, IMO, is spatial awareness. A quarterback has to be able to anticipate where players will be in a few milliseconds versus where they are currently. Some players (Dak may be one, unfortunately) have limited ability to process this information and need to see a receiver already open before throwing the ball.

 

[CF74]

We saw Dak “Raw” his rookie year and he did very well. Then he got “Coached” and here we are. Kinda like when the Tuna ruined Julius Jones...

 

[Future]

We saw Dak “Raw” his rookie year and he did very well. Then he got “Coached” and here we are. Kinda like when the Tuna ruined Julius Jones...

In both cases, it's the coaching staff trying to turn a player into something he's not.

Dak is an on-the-move, read half the field QB, and they're trying to turn him into Tom Brady.

 

[John813]

We saw Dak “Raw” his rookie year and he did very well. Then he got “Coached” and here we are. Kinda like when the Tuna ruined Julius Jones...

If only he took Steven Jackson, he would of had his ideal back.
I never raged so hard as I did that draft day, football wise. Probably have some embarrassing posts somewhere on the internet from that day.

 

[zrinkill]

Sep 9, 2018

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

As fan I honestly almost feel scammed by the Cowboys right now. Trying to make excuses and force a QB on us, they know isn't going to work out.

 

[nightrain]

An NFL QB has about 2 seconds from the snap to process what he sees developing and be able to anticipate where the best option is for a successful play. The ability to read a defense pre-snap and get the proper protection, formation and play called are big part of making those 2 seconds productive.

Elite QBs like Rodgers, Brady and Brees are incredibly adept at eliciting movement, sometimes very subtle, from the defense through their cadence and motion. From these movements they can make a good determination of the coverage and needed protection and have a good idea as to what route is going to work best.

Dak is seemingly not able to read the tea leaves so to speak and has limited ability to fully process a play within that 2 second window. Fear of making a mistake and lack of instincts are creating issues when the protection is not allowing him to stand, scan and deliver for extended time. Dak does not look like a pocket type QB. He is a guy who is seems most comfortable on the move, utilizing RPO and bootlegging his way to find an open receiver. NFL defenses don't seem to have much trouble stopping offenses utilizing half the field.

The Cowboys need to pound Zeke to help Dak achieve any level of success, using the run to set up the pass. The Cowboys are so predictable on offense that DCs are probably working on next week's game on Thursday while preparing for the Cowboys.

The team is in a really bad place right now and I can't figure why the two Principals who have been around football all of their lives can't see this.

 

[jrumann59]

Raw talent is just that you could end up with a Romo or a Jamarcus Russell. The biggest attribute is the stuffing between the ears. A physically gifted passer will take you so far, a mentally gifted passer with above average physical traits can take you to the SB.

 

[jrumann59]

An NFL QB has about 2 seconds from the snap to process what he sees developing and be able to anticipate where the best option is for a successful play. The ability to read a defense pre-snap and get the proper protection, formation and play called are big part of making those 2 seconds productive.

Elite QBs like Rodgers, Brady and Brees are incredibly adept at eliciting movement, sometimes very subtle, from the defense through their cadence and motion. From these movements they can make a good determination of the coverage and needed protection and have a good idea as to what route is going to work best.

Dak is seemingly not able to read the tea leaves so to speak and has limited ability to fully process a play within that 2 second window. Fear of making a mistake and lack of instincts are creating issues when the protection is not allowing him to stand, scan and deliver for extended time. Dak does not look like a pocket type QB. He is a guy who is seems most comfortable on the move, utilizing RPO and bootlegging his way to find an open receiver. NFL defenses don't seem to have much trouble stopping offenses utilizing half the field.

The Cowboys need to pound Zeke to help Dak achieve any level of success, using the run to set up the pass. The Cowboys are so predictable on offense that DCs are probably working on next week's game on Thursday while preparing for the Cowboys.

The team is in a really bad place right now and I can't figure why the two Principals who have been around football all of their lives can't see this.

Pound Zeke all you want. Unless zeke rips off long runs teams will not care if he gains 8 yards a carry because eventually there will be a miscue and they will get behind the chains. This offense cannot live behind the chains because it is not capable of consistent plays over 10 yards.

 

[DBOY3141]

An NFL QB has about 2 seconds from the snap to process what he sees developing and be able to anticipate where the best option is for a successful play. The ability to read a defense pre-snap and get the proper protection, formation and play called are big part of making those 2 seconds productive.

Elite QBs like Rodgers, Brady and Brees are incredibly adept at eliciting movement, sometimes very subtle, from the defense through their cadence and motion. From these movements they can make a good determination of the coverage and needed protection and have a good idea as to what route is going to work best.

Dak is seemingly not able to read the tea leaves so to speak and has limited ability to fully process a play within that 2 second window. Fear of making a mistake and lack of instincts are creating issues when the protection is not allowing him to stand, scan and deliver for extended time. Dak does not look like a pocket type QB. He is a guy who is seems most comfortable on the move, utilizing RPO and bootlegging his way to find an open receiver. NFL defenses don't seem to have much trouble stopping offenses utilizing half the field.

The Cowboys need to pound Zeke to help Dak achieve any level of success, using the run to set up the pass. The Cowboys are so predictable on offense that DCs are probably working on next week's game on Thursday while preparing for the Cowboys.

The team is in a really bad place right now and I can't figure why the two Principals who have been around football all of their lives can't see this.

They see it.

 

[aikemirv]

We saw Dak “Raw” his rookie year and he did very well. Then he got “Coached” and here we are. Kinda like when the Tuna ruined Julius Jones...

We saw NFL defenses figure out what Dak could and could not do and took it away! That's what we saw.

In both cases, it's the coaching staff trying to turn a player into something he's not.

Dak is an on-the-move, read half the field QB, and they're trying to turn him into Tom Brady.

"Read half the field Qb" seriously, and the coaches tried to make him into an NFL QB. So he was backup quality and they tried to make him starter quality, heaven forbid!

 

[sbark]

It's the qb version of what we see in Sean lee or Luke Kueckly ......instincts for the game that only few are given

A damion Wilson has more pure athletism, but only can react to what develops instead of being the step faster shown by s.lee

No diff in the qb position

My only question to add is why cooper rush literally regressed under this coaching staff, after showing some level of anticipation as a rookie

 

[DoctorChicken]

It’s a little disheartening that we don’t hear anything about Mike White. I’m read to call it a loss pick. He was only a fifth rounder but he way we love to talk about backup qbs, you never hear anything about him. I’d love to hear he has laser arm strength or sidearms or something to let me know he’s still there.


The only good bathing I can muster up is he must have something cuz he cowboys are afraid to tried to pass him on the practice squad and potentially lose him. Couldn’t tell much from his YouTube highlight except that he’s big and has a deep ball, but I didn’t see a lot of velocity on them passes

You can’t call a 5th round rookie backup QB out of Western Kentucky University a lost pick because the team isn’t clamoring about him.

 

[nightrain]

Pound Zeke all you want. Unless zeke rips off long runs teams will not care if he gains 8 yards a carry because eventually there will be a miscue and they will get behind the chains. This offense cannot live behind the chains because it is not capable of consistent plays over 10 yards.

I agree with you to the extent that it is not a winning strategy, but it's the best strategy for the Cowboys right now. They are already experiencing miscues and getting behind the chains on most series.

 

[T-RO]

Half of the raw talent is the brain: a multi-processor, quick-reads, peripheral sense...and as stated above good spatial IQ. CONFIDENT.

And physically: nimble feet, strong, accurate arm. Size usually helps so he can see over lineman and take a hit.

 

[T-RO]

It’s a little disheartening that we don’t hear anything about Mike White. I’m read to call it a loss pick. He was only a fifth rounder but he way we love to talk about backup qbs, you never hear anything about him. I’d love to hear he has laser arm strength or sidearms or something to let me know he’s still there.


The only good bathing I can muster up is he must have something cuz he cowboys are afraid to tried to pass him on the practice squad and potentially lose him. Couldn’t tell much from his YouTube highlight except that he’s big and has a deep ball, but I didn’t see a lot of velocity on them passes

He has a good arm. Doesn’t appear to be a special player but he’s raw and developing. 40-1 he won’t ever be a franchise QB. Maybe one in four odds he could play better than Dak. Maybe one in four he’s in the league long-term as good backup.

Teams need to draft developmental QBs. You usually miss on ‘em but sometimes you find gold.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

He has a good arm. Doesn’t appear to be a special player but he’s raw and developing. 40-1 he won’t ever be a franchise QB. Maybe one in four odds he could play better than Dak. Maybe one in four he’s in the league long-term as good backup.

Teams need to draft developmental QBs. You usually miss on ‘em but sometimes you find gold.

We struck silver on Dak. Odds are it’ll be another 5 year before we strike anything on another serious potential qb prospect