What is the difference in traditional cap penalties

[Galian Beast]

If we traded vs released the following players, and when would we feel their cap hits.

Marion Barber
Roy Williams
Terence Newman
Leonard Davis
Marc Colombo

would that net cap savings, or actually hurt our ability to sign free agents under the old cap rules

 

[kevinhickey]

I thought that if you released a player say Barber in a uncapped year (until March 2011) the money no longer counts once the new CBA is signed. This is why Jerry paid hugh front loaded salaries to Ware and Austin. Dallas cut Flozell Adams at the beginning of the season. His salary no longer counts against our salary cap if the new CBA is signed in March.

 

[AdamJT13]

I thought that if you released a player say Barber in a uncapped year (until March 2011) the money no longer counts once the new CBA is signed. This is why Jerry paid hugh front loaded salaries to Ware and Austin. Dallas cut Flozell Adams at the beginning of the season. His salary no longer counts against our salary cap if the new CBA is signed in March.

Under the current CBA, that is not correct. There was no cap acceleration into 2010 for players released or traded.

The answer to the original question is that nobody knows. The new CBA will determine how cap matters are handled, including what happens to remaining charges when players are released. Everything could be the same or entirely different. The charges from players previously released could be wiped out, charged against 2011 or left to count against each season.

 

[kevinhickey]

I guess we have to look at the terms and conditions of a uncapped year under the old CBA. When I compared the dumping of Flozell Adams contract in the beginning of the season to cutting Barber or any other player(s) before March (in the same season) I thought all would be wiped out, if and when the new CBA is signed.

 

[AdamJT13]

I guess we have to look at the terms and conditions of a uncapped year under the old CBA. When I compared the dumping of Flozell Adams contract in the beginning of the season to cutting Barber or any other player(s) before March (in the same season) I thought all would be wiped out, if and when the new CBA is signed.

Under the current CBA, the bonus prorations for Flozell or any other player who was released did not accelerate into 2010. They remained prorated against each season, just as before. So, under the current CBA, Flozell still counts $2.167 million against us in each of 2011, 2012 and 2013. Whether those amounts will end up remaining that way will be determined by the new CBA.

 

[arglebargle]

Every time I see a thread nowadays that has, 'Trade this guy!' or 'Sign the guy!', it makes me shake my head.

No one knows how the new set up will work. No one knows who exactly will be a free agent or how the cap will play out. Players can't be signed, mostly. No player trades allowed before this years draft, or until the new CBA is worked out.

Once the new rules are in place, there will probably be a signing period that will resemble the Oklahoma Land Rush, as there will likely be two years (or more) worth of free agents. Of course, that might start two weeks before the beginning of the regular season.

 

[AdamJT13]

Every time I see a thread nowadays that has, 'Trade this guy!' or 'Sign the guy!', it makes me shake my head.

No one knows how the new set up will work. No one knows who exactly will be a free agent or how the cap will play out. Players can't be signed, mostly. No player trades allowed before this years draft, or until the new CBA is worked out.

Once the new rules are in place, there will probably be a signing period that will resemble the Oklahoma Land Rush, as there will likely be two years (or more) worth of free agents. Of course, that might start two weeks before the beginning of the regular season.

All without any minicamps during which to install any schemes or plays on offense, defense or special teams -- or even to evaluate whether any new players or rookies are any good.

 

[percyhoward]

All without any minicamps during which to install any schemes or plays on offense, defense or special teams -- or even to evaluate whether any new players or rookies are any good.

It will be interesting to see which players from which teams take it upon themselves to have informal minicamps.

 

[AdamJT13]

It will be interesting to see which players from which teams take it upon themselves to have informal minicamps.

Romo said he would.

I just wonder if the NFLPA will tell players that they can't do that, because it would lessen the impact of the owners' lockout. During the 1990 baseball lockout, Orel Hershiser -- one of the players' union reps -- told the players not to touch a baseball during the lockout. Of course, the lockout ended, and Hershiser tore his rotator cuff in his fourth game of the season, causing him to miss the rest of the season and jeopardizing his career. (Gee, maybe he should have thrown a bit during the lockout to keep his arm in shape?)

 

[arglebargle]

I bet our strength and conditioning coach is working overtime getting together workout plans for the team, ones that can be done at home or the private gym. Not sure what the other coaches can put together that would help during the lockout.

You will really be able to tell who the self and group motivated guys are this offseason.