What kind of team is Garrett building?

[jnday]

A team of dedicated, committed, hard-nosed football players who put the team ahead of their own inflated egos. A team, as a result, that keeps working to improve, fights through adversity, that will believe in itself (and not give two hoots in hell what the media and posters on internet forums have to say about them).

You know, a winner.

I certainly hope that this team gains that type of mental outlook to go with whatever style of play they have. It has been missing for years.

 

[Lonestar94]

A team of dedicated, committed, hard-nosed football players who put the team ahead of their own inflated egos. A team, as a result, that keeps working to improve, fights through adversity, that will believe in itself (and not give two hoots in hell what the media and posters on internet forums have to say about them).

You know, a winner.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Hopefully a Super Bowk champion.

 

[johnny utah]

A team headed up. That's all you can ask for.

 

[nathanlt]

I think it's more of a team defined by hardworking attitude, get the job done, fight through adversity, and never quit throughout the entire game.
Team chemistry and good leadership defines this team better than a particular style.

Much like Hagman's perspective.

One more thing, rookies who have a great work ethic, will push talented veterans who don't, and even if the veterans end up making the team, they will be better players for it.

 

[T-RO]

I can't pinpoint why...but I don't much care for the question as framed. The "need for identity" is inane and pointless, or is best relegated to its PR dept or local mediots.

Why?
-In the field of psychology it is widely known that humans are compelled to seek for patterns in everything they see...and to be frustrated or feel thwarted if they can't find recurring patterns. I'm quite OK w/ defensive coordinators being frustrated in the same way as the OP with Coach Garrett. I quite enjoy the frustration of both. The Cowboys as mystery. I can live w/that.

-Fans love labels, nicknames and uniforms that have identity. In the NFL we've had the "black and blue" division. We remember the Bad Boy Raiders. League history is full of schtick like this and 90% of the time it's hype and nonsense, based on uniform colors and civic image. It's the same nonsense that turns Stefani Germanotta into "Lady Gaga." Hype and marketing. You need a name like "GAGA". I just gag and turn the channel.

-The culture of this team will inevitably be largely dictated by Jerry Jones. He sets the tone and culture more than any of his coordinators (er..I mean coaches).

-A team's "identity" is mostly related to the star players on the roster and its drafting philosophy. Jason Garrett has almost zero influence on either.

-Personnel and player strengths drive identity. If a team has three great receivers you suddenly have an identity, "The 3 amigos." If you have a great quarterback with playmakers all around...you have "The Greatest Show on Turf." But w/ a GM who gives us 6 starters over the past 5 drafts...it gets infinitely more difficult.

-The younger crowd has no personality. I find them all a complete bore. Not one of the current roster can compare to the charisma of a Troy, Woodson, Irvin, Moose or Newton. It is what it is. The price of endless nerdy video games.

 

[T-RO]

And one more thing: Nobody here can give me a coherent sentence that describes the New York Giants team identity.

No..."Champions" doesn't qualify.

Come up with some stupid nickname or bury this "identity" nonsense. Otherwise you just play the fool.

 

[perrykemp]

And one more thing: Nobody here can give me a coherent sentence that describes the New York Giants team identity.

You make a good point. The Giants SB team really didn't have a distinct identity as compared to lets say the 2010 Packers or 2009 Saints who's style was aggressive fast paced passing offenses.

 

[jnday]

And one more thing: Nobody here can give me a coherent sentence that describes the New York Giants team identity.

No..."Champions" doesn't qualify.

Come up with some stupid nickname or bury this "identity" nonsense. Otherwise you just play the fool.

I think anybody on this board would think of of the defensive line and the high pressure that comes with it when thinking of the Giants. It is part of there identity. So is the big play offense with Cruz.

 

[TheCount]

And one more thing: Nobody here can give me a coherent sentence that describes the New York Giants team identity.

No..."Champions" doesn't qualify.

Come up with some stupid nickname or bury this "identity" nonsense. Otherwise you just play the fool.

The Giants have always been about that defensive front, going back to all the years Strahan was their unquestioned leader.

The idea of a teams identity isn't as ridiculous as you want to believe, it's very much part of sports. Just as the Spurs are known as experienced, smart and fundamentally sound and OKC is known as young, athletic and offensive minded.

The idea of team identities wasn't invented just for this thread.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What kind of team is Garrett building?

Championship.

 

[Doomsay]

And one more thing: Nobody here can give me a coherent sentence that describes the New York Giants team identity.

No..."Champions" doesn't qualify.

Come up with some stupid nickname or bury this "identity" nonsense. Otherwise you just play the fool.

During the Giants recent 5 year Super Bowl run, the team has been built and played around their front 7 - averaging top five over that period for sacks and pressure, and they have also controlled the clock via a somewhat balanced offensive attack - other than last season, when the line and running game fell apart, they have ranked within the top 10 in terms of time of possession. They also play with focused emotion and purpose during crunch time. They seem to relish the big game spotlight.

 

[jnday]

During the Giants recent 5 year Super Bowl run, the team has been built and played around their front 7 - averaging top five over that period for sacks and pressure, and they have also controlled the clock via a somewhat balanced offensive attack - other than last season, when the line and running game fell apart, they have ranked within the top 10 in terms of time of possession. They also play with focused emotion and purpose during crunch time. They seem to relish the big game spotlight.

I didn't think it could be done. It is is accurate breakdown of the Giant's identity.

 

[Seven]

With the kind of athletes that are tireless on the field and in the film room. Large cranial capacity and a motor to match.


Don't become stagnant with Garrett. Coach or player. There's a hundred more looking for work.


We're gonna see a different team and I believe it's going to be refreshing. There's gonna be athletes we were concerned with that are gonna step up their game. JMO, of course.

 

[Bluestang]

During the Giants recent 5 year Super Bowl run, the team has been built and played around their front 7 - averaging top five over that period for sacks and pressure, and they have also controlled the clock via a somewhat balanced offensive attack - other than last season, when the line and running game fell apart, they have ranked within the top 10 in terms of time of possession. They also play with focused emotion and purpose during crunch time. They seem to relish the big game spotlight.

This is half right. The Giants have selected pass rushers, corners, and wide receivers in the first three rounds dating back since 2003. (except 2004)

While it is easy to say that they built around their front 7 that is simply not the case. They have invested in first round DBs and have also gone after free agents that were top roound picks like Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant. If you want to base on the model of success that they Giants have done for themselves than you simply take the best skill position player available on your board, it's that simple.

2003:
Round 1 - William Joseph
Round 2 - Osi Umenyiora

2005:
Round 2 - Core Webster
Round 3 - Justin Tuck

2006:
Round 1 - Mathias Kiwanuka
Round 2 - Sinorice Moss

2007:
Round 1 - Aaron Ross
Round 2 - Steve Smith
Round 3 - Jay Alford

2008:
Round 1 - Kenny Phillips
Round 2 - Terrell Thomas
Round 3 - Mario Manningham

2009:
Round 1 - Hakeem Nicks

2010:
Round 1 - Jason Pierre-Paul
Round 2 - Linval Joseph
Round 3 - Chad Jones

2011:
Round 1 - Prince Amukamura
Round 2 - Marvin Austin
Round 3 - Jernel Jernigan

 

[slomoxn]

In Parcells, we had a conservative, smash mouth team. You could almost guarantee a low-scoring, blood pressure filled game.

Then we went to Romo.

Under Romo, we became a big play, foot on the pedal team. We always seem to have a slow start, but as soon as we got our first big play. Big catch, big run, big catch for TD, then it's like a switch came on with the team.

For the most part, I feel our defense played up to the level of the offense. Be it during the BP years, the Wade years, and now the Ryan years. If the offense was rolling, the defense played with much more confidence and aggression.

So, IMO, this team is a big play team. That's the Cowboys identity.

Not with Parcells at the helm, this was not a peddle to the metal offense with Romo then. That was why they lost to Seattle, Parcells hated Owens and didn't trust Romo.

 

[Bullflop]

In answer to the OP's question, at this point in time, Garrett appears to be building a team that is more competitive against the league's elite teams. That, in itself, should surely amount to a significant and welcome change to what we've seen of most Cowboys' teams of the recent past. A culture change will, by necessity, be a key ingredient in such a transformation. Let's just hope it works.

 

[slomoxn]

With the kind of athletes that are tireless on the field and in the film room. Large cranial capacity and a motor to match.


Don't become stagnant with Garrett. Coach or player. There's a hundred more looking for work.


We're gonna see a different team and I believe it's going to be refreshing. There's gonna be athletes we were concerned with that are gonna step up their game. JMO, of course.

I agree completely, Garrett got the kind of guys that not only drive themselves but others around them. If you look at the players removed and read about the ones brought in one basic thing stands out time after time, these guys are self motivated, leaders, first in last out training and studying players. Basically RKGs and Garrett is building a team of fire eaters, the ones who go into the foxhole with the flashlight and 45. I'm happy with the direction and fully expect a new ring within three years. That's just my opinion.

 

[nalam]

In Parcells, we had a conservative, smash mouth team. You could almost guarantee a low-scoring, blood pressure filled game.

Then we went to Romo.
.......

So, IMO, this team is a big play team. That's the Cowboys identity.

 

[Doomsay]

This is half right. The Giants have selected pass rushers, corners, and wide receivers in the first three rounds dating back since 2003. (except 2004)

While it is easy to say that they built around their front 7 that is simply not the case. They have invested in first round DBs and have also gone after free agents that were top roound picks like Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant. If you want to base on the model of success that they Giants have done for themselves than you simply take the best skill position player available on your board, it's that simple.

2003:
Round 1 - William Joseph
Round 2 - Osi Umenyiora

2005:
Round 2 - Core Webster
Round 3 - Justin Tuck

2006:
Round 1 - Mathias Kiwanuka
Round 2 - Sinorice Moss

2007:
Round 1 - Aaron Ross
Round 2 - Steve Smith
Round 3 - Jay Alford

2008:
Round 1 - Kenny Phillips
Round 2 - Terrell Thomas
Round 3 - Mario Manningham

2009:
Round 1 - Hakeem Nicks

2010:
Round 1 - Jason Pierre-Paul
Round 2 - Linval Joseph
Round 3 - Chad Jones

2011:
Round 1 - Prince Amukamura
Round 2 - Marvin Austin
Round 3 - Jernel Jernigan

I think that there a few front 7 from the first 3 round drafts missing here. It looks like the Giants drafted about 40% front 7 guys in the periods listed above in the first 3 rounds. They paid up for guys like Canty and resigned a bunch of their original front seven picks. The Giants have reaped the rewards of good drafting in this area with a number of keepers (no need to use first rounders on the front 7 every year when you have this much talent). I see nothing to suggest that the front seven hasn't been a priority of this team.