What makes for a good GM?

[CCBoy]

There is some bickering and obstinant comments on the role of Jerry as a GM.

Well, instead of taking a stance based upon mood association with team victories in the playoffs, perhaps more can become positive with defining what it is that constitutes a GM. And arrive at a system of classifications, to see where the CURRENT status of the Cowboys' GM lies...


NFL Future Power Rankings

Evaluating the core of every franchise as it projects for the 2015 season


Originally Published: May 23, 2012
By Trent Dilfer, Mel Kiper, Gary Horton, Matt Williamson | ESPN Insider


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...ting-every-franchise-entering-2015-season#DAL





Peering into the future of the parity-driven, rapidly changing NFL can seem like a daunting challenge. For starters, teams turn over, on average, about 20 percent of their rosters each season. But when you consider that most of the players caught in that roster churn are essentially replaceable parts and that the true pillars of a franchise -- stud quarterbacks and young impact players -- usually remain firmly fixed in its foundation, you can see it is possible to get a glimpse of how each team projects down the road. And you can see that some roads are paved a little more smoothly than others.

In consultation with former NFL GM Bill Polian, we pinpointed five categories essential to projecting the future of an NFL franchise: roster, quarterback, draft, front office and coaching staff. We then weighted each category according to its importance to success. (For a more detailed breakdown on each category and its weighting, see our methodology). Next, Polian stepped away to allow four of ESPN Insider's other NFL experts -- Mel Kiper, Trent Dilfer, Gary Horton and Matt Williamson -- to evaluate every franchise in each category as they project for the 2015 NFL season.

Will their evaluations flawlessly stand up in three years' time? In a league as fluid as the NFL, it is unlikely, and we acknowledge that. But they provide some interesting conclusions about what's truly important to succeeding on a perennial basis in the NFL, specifically the value of a franchise QB. And although some teams might experience a down year, the squads at the top of this list are well suited for sustained success over the long term. These ratings also provide a broad, well-informed outline of which teams are heading in the right direction and which have plenty of work to do before they climb into the ranks of Super Bowl contenders. So, how do our experts see the NFL stacking up in 2015?...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Every GM other than Jerry

 

[CCBoy]

This is what they had to say about the NFL's top GM and his team:




[Roster, QB. Draft, Front Office, Coaching]

The bar graphs reflected the average rating given by the voters for each category.
Category averages are weighted by importance to generate overall score.



On the scale of 100, the overall rating was 87.25

Breaking down: 8.5/9.5/8.25/8.75/8,75




Roster: With impact players on both sides of the ball, the high-scoring Packers might actually have more stars on defense than offense in three years. This is especially true among their front seven, led by DT B.J. Raji and OLB Clay Matthews. The Packers' WR group is aging and the run game is inconsistent, but the Packers will continue to find quality weapons for QB Aaron Rodgers. -- Gary Horton


Quarterback: Right now, Rodgers plays the position about as well as we've seen it played. He's also only 28. That said, is Green Bay comfortable with the current backup situation of Graham Harrell and B.J. Coleman? Matt Flynn's absence at least creates the question. -- Trent Dilfer


Draft: The Packers worked hard to fix the front seven in the 2012 draft. How well they are able to draft pass-rushers will define the next few years, but this is an exceptional scouting department in which finding great value is routine. -- Mel Kiper


Front office: GM Ted Thompson heads a very efficient scouting staff and believes in building a team through the draft rather than spending a lot of money in free agency. What's more, the Packers often re-sign that in-house talent, using the open market only to fill specific needs. It's a model that promotes enduring success. -- Horton


Coaching: This coaching staff has great experience and stability and combines a blue-collar work ethic with extreme attention to detail. Nobody in the NFL teaches basic fundamentals like this staff, headed by Mike McCarthy. The Packers are creative and innovative on both sides of the ball, work well together and respect one another. This is a family atmosphere that coaches embrace and do not want to leave. -- Horton

 

[CCBoy]

Now, based upon the above criteria, and base levels for evaluations, let's hear what you have to say about the Cowboys and from now into the future. Then make an evaluation upon the GM for Dallas as the current trend unfolds...let's hear the story and discussion now.

 

[CCBoy]

Every GM other than Jerry

Naw, an issue was presented with parameters for a discussion...you don't get a pass for humor alone.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Naw, an issue was presented with parameters for a discussion...you don't get a pass for humor alone.

Damn

 

[CCBoy]

Damn

:starspin

 

[CCBoy]

This is what Adam Schein of Fox evaluated as to Dallas:

15. Dallas Cowboys: 37

Owner: 8
Quarterback: 7
Coach: 4
Front office: 4
Coaching staff: 5
Intangibles: 9


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...best-nfl-organization-in-2011-rankings-060111

 

[CCBoy]

This is what Fox evaluated as to a Power Ranking from the draft:

14 (their place from the draft~evaluated)



Cowboys
8-8


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Last Week: 14
The Cowboys made a huge move by jumping up to get LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne. But after that, they didn't get much. (Fox)

 

[Supercowboy1986]

can you post the analysis for dallas on the ESPN site please. for some reason i cannot open it and am getting an error

 

[CCBoy]

This is BTB's coverage of topic:

A Ranking Of The Top NFL Franchises
by Dave Halprin on Jun 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT in Dallas Cowboys General



http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/2/2203121/dallas-cowboys-ranking-top-nfl-franchises



Another day of the lockout, another list ranking players/coaches/front-offices of NFL franchises. This particular list, though, manages to rank them all in a formula to come up with the 2011 NFL Organizational Rankings. As might be expected, the better your team performs, the higher your team ends up on the list.

Adam Schein at FOX Sports does the honors for this list. Schein comes up with his board by ranking six different categories - Owner, Quarterback, Coach, Front Office, Coaching Staff and Intangibles.

The number one organization in the NFL? Well, it's no longer the New England Patriots who have dropped to number four. Your new number one is the Green Bay Packers. I guess that's what happens when your team wins the Super Bowl. But you do have to admire the Packers ability to draft talent, and to stick with their draft board and not reach for need. They've put together a nice core of young talent, and should be contenders for the next few years.

The top five consists of some of the usual suspects: Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, New England and Philadelphia. Philadelphia? Yeah, ok, they've been consistently in the hunt for a Super Bowl over the last decade or so, but that Trophy Case is still empty!

And what about our Dallas Cowboys?...

*(this gives a corner stone to view the current directions from)

 

[CCBoy]

can you post the analysis for dallas on the ESPN site please. for some reason i cannot open it and am getting an error

That part of the article is a pay subscription...which I don't have. Sorry.

 

[CCBoy]

Here is what Forbes had to say on an overall evaluation of GM's through then entire gambit of GM's in sport:

This is their NFL portion

4 A.J. Smith 4 209 106 NFL San Diego Chargers
7 Marty Hurney 5 191 91 NFL Carolina Panthers
8 Jerry Angelo 6 186 93 NFL Chicago Bears
9 Bill Polian 19 176 101 NFL Indianapolis Colts
13 Jerry Jones 18 161 102 NFL Dallas Cowboys
16 Carl Peterson 18 155 103 NFL Kansas City Chiefs
19 Rich McKay 12 148 96 NFL Atlanta Falcons
20 Scott Pioli 7 141 113 NFL New England Patriots
22 Randy Mueller 9 141 101 NFL Miami Dolphins
24 Kevin Colbert 7 139 100 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers
28 James Harris 4 134 90 NFL Jacksonville Jaguars
34 Ernie Accorsi 18 126 104 NFL New York Giants
38 Ted Sundquist 4 116 108 NFL Denver Broncos
54 Charley Armey 7 112 96 NFL St. Louis Rams
59 Mickey Loomis 5 111 92 NFL New Orleans Saints
69 Rod Graves 4 100 96 NFL Arizona Cardinals
72 Rob Brzezinski 4 107 68 NFL Minnesota Vikings
79 Vinny Cerrato 4 89 95 NFL Washington Commanders
83 Floyd Reese 12 76 127 NFL Tennessee Titans
86 Bruce Allen 12 82 105 NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers
89 Ozzie Newsome 4 80 100 NFL Baltimore Ravens
96 Matt Millen 6 55 104 NFL Detroit Lions
97 Mike Brown 16 51 96 NFL Cincinnati Bengals
98 Michael Lombardi 3 37 102 NFL Oakland Raiders


http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms.html


...and this is what they had to say about Jerry Jones:

Some team owners double as GMs. The success story here is Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys (No. 13), who turned the Cowboys from a has-been to a three-time Super Bowl champion. To his credit, Jones has actually spent less on players, on average, than his league counterparts during his 18-year reign.


Note: this was done five years ago...but it gives a view untainted by disgruntled fans


The real criticism of Jerry started in this...

http://theboysareback.wordpress.com...y-jones-dallas-cowboys-owner-general-manager/


Criticism

In an online poll from October 8, 2003, Jerry Jones was named the least favorite sports personality by Sports Illustrated. He is often vilified by fans who remain bitter at Jones’ unceremonious firing of fan-favorite Tom Landry. Some of the fan criticism is due to Jerry Jones’ high visibility and involvement as the “face of the team” which is in stark contrast to original owner Clint Murchison Jr.

Some Dallas Cowboy fans have expressed their displeasure with Jerry Jones and the lack of success in the franchise. This had led to formation of grassroots organizations aimed at displacing Jones from his position.

Jones is the subject of a book published September 1, 2008 titled ‘Playing to Win’ by David Magee. In the book, Jerry Jones says he handled the firing of Tom Landry poorly and takes some blame for the disintegration of his relationship with Jimmy Johnson.


...and some fans, disgruntled, forged a disassociation from Jerry when the organization went through further franchise periods of delcine, reorganization, and then a slow but steady regrowth...

 

[CCBoy]

This is Forbes' ranking of NFL GM's for 2010:


http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/fo...orts-nfl-football-valuations-10-managers.html





Bill Polian Ind
Jerry Reese NYG
Scott Pioli KC
Kevin Colber Pit
A.J. Smith SD
Ted Thompson GB
Jerry Jones Dal
Mike Reinfeld Ten
Mickey Loomis NO
Rob Brzezinski Mn

 

[CCBoy]

Frank Talk from the Cowboys' Jerry Jones

CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-7134209.html





Jones is the only owner in the league who is also a celebrity, and he's one of only three owners who actually runs his team. He is the general manager, who picks the players, hires the coaches and runs the business.

He earned three Super Bowl rings doing that, and, preseason, he told Pelley how he liked his chances of slipping on a fourth.

"What do you see out here?" Pelley asked.

"This I could argue is one of the best teams on paper that I've been associated with in 22 years," Jones responded.

But as the season unfolded, no high hopes could defeat the picks, the fumbles and the rotten breaks that beset the Cowboys.

"You had the No. 1 offense in the league, the No. 4 defense in the league. Why can't you get the ball past the pylon?" Pelley asked him during an interview in the middle of the season.

"Stats are for losers," Jones answered. "They relish in them. The stat is the score. And when you don't win that score, nothing good happens. Have we gotten too full of ourselves? Possibly."

"You were the best general manager in the league in 1992, you were the best general manager the next year, you were the best general manager two years after that," said Pelley. "What happened to that guy?"...



This is perspectives from Jerry himself...which illuminates more in the process.

 

[CCBoy]

Here is what Forbes had to say on an overall evaluation of GM's through then entire gambit of GM's in sport:

This is their NFL portion

4 A.J. Smith 4 209 106 NFL San Diego Chargers
7 Marty Hurney 5 191 91 NFL Carolina Panthers
8 Jerry Angelo 6 186 93 NFL Chicago Bears
9 Bill Polian 19 176 101 NFL Indianapolis Colts
13 Jerry Jones 18 161 102 NFL Dallas Cowboys
16 Carl Peterson 18 155 103 NFL Kansas City Chiefs
19 Rich McKay 12 148 96 NFL Atlanta Falcons
20 Scott Pioli 7 141 113 NFL New England Patriots
22 Randy Mueller 9 141 101 NFL Miami Dolphins
24 Kevin Colbert 7 139 100 NFL Pittsburgh Steelers
28 James Harris 4 134 90 NFL Jacksonville Jaguars
34 Ernie Accorsi 18 126 104 NFL New York Giants
38 Ted Sundquist 4 116 108 NFL Denver Broncos
54 Charley Armey 7 112 96 NFL St. Louis Rams
59 Mickey Loomis 5 111 92 NFL New Orleans Saints
69 Rod Graves 4 100 96 NFL Arizona Cardinals
72 Rob Brzezinski 4 107 68 NFL Minnesota Vikings
79 Vinny Cerrato 4 89 95 NFL Washington Commanders
83 Floyd Reese 12 76 127 NFL Tennessee Titans
86 Bruce Allen 12 82 105 NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers
89 Ozzie Newsome 4 80 100 NFL Baltimore Ravens
96 Matt Millen 6 55 104 NFL Detroit Lions
97 Mike Brown 16 51 96 NFL Cincinnati Bengals
98 Michael Lombardi 3 37 102 NFL Oakland Raiders


http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms.html


...and this is what they had to say about Jerry Jones:

Some team owners double as GMs. The success story here is Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys (No. 13), who turned the Cowboys from a has-been to a three-time Super Bowl champion. To his credit, Jones has actually spent less on players, on average, than his league counterparts during his 18-year reign.


Note: this was done five years ago...but it gives a view untainted by disgruntled fans


The real criticism of Jerry started in this...

http://theboysareback.wordpress.com...y-jones-dallas-cowboys-owner-general-manager/


Criticism

In an online poll from October 8, 2003, Jerry Jones was named the least favorite sports personality by Sports Illustrated. He is often vilified by fans who remain bitter at Jones’ unceremonious firing of fan-favorite Tom Landry. Some of the fan criticism is due to Jerry Jones’ high visibility and involvement as the “face of the team” which is in stark contrast to original owner Clint Murchison Jr.

Some Dallas Cowboy fans have expressed their displeasure with Jerry Jones and the lack of success in the franchise. This had led to formation of grassroots organizations aimed at displacing Jones from his position.

Jones is the subject of a book published September 1, 2008 titled ‘Playing to Win’ by David Magee. In the book, Jerry Jones says he handled the firing of Tom Landry poorly and takes some blame for the disintegration of his relationship with Jimmy Johnson.


...and some fans, disgruntled, forged a disassociation from Jerry when the organization went through further franchise periods of delcine, reorganization, and then a slow but steady regrowth...

Look, the real storyline of the Super Bowl years lies not in the wizardry of Jimmy Johnson, as having a Bill Parcells didn't do the trick in a four year stint...but here:

He won by forcing the NFL to change the way it did business. The league controlled sponsorships, but Jones sold his own. The NFL sued him, but he countersued and came out on top. Next, Jones led negotiations that forced TV networks to pay a lot more for the rights to games. Cash bought talent, and talent won Super Bowls in '92, '93 and '95.


After the Cap and equalizing teams became a NFL standard, transitioning also changed...

 

[junk]

"You were the best general manager in the league in 1992, you were the best general manager the next year, you were the best general manager two years after that," said Pelley. "What happened to that guy?"...

Um, the guy who had personnel control written into his contract left. Been a downhill slide ever since.

 

[popp1234]

Naw, an issue was presented with parameters for a discussion...you don't get a pass for humor alone.

Actually, he gave his parameters. I don't agree with him, but he did indeed give his parameters, as course as they are.

 

[Clove]

Dude, you're going to reach 10 pages all by yourself. Pretty amazing if you actually do that.

What makes a good GM? Any of the people with Super Bowls over the last 8 years. See what they've done and follow that.

 

[popp1234]

Wow, CC, I feel like I don't even know you anymore. You've converted over to, you know, them.