What teams would you like in the Big 12?

[BrAinPaiNt]

So FSU is pretty much in. Clemson is probably in as well.

Now there is talk of ND (start with olympic sports but agree to join in Football when NBC contract is up).

However here are some other names that are being talked about.

Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
Maryland
Pittsburgh
NC State
BYU

Georgia Tech. Seems at one time they were not interested but now hearing they are VERY interested.

Louisville...this one seems to change daily from they are not in, to they are in, to they are in only if so and so do not join.

Miami...hearing that most in the Big 12 do not want them.

There is also another thing that is interesting. It was thought that NCST and VaTech (VPI) would be going to the SEC. From my understanding VaTech will still be going. However word now is that North Carolina is talking to the SEC and I would have to think that the SEC would take them over NCST. The SEC normally will not take two teams from the same state so IF they take NC...NCST could become a potential team for the Big 12.

BYU - Heard that there were too many difficulties with that connection and that the Big 12 would now rather expand East instead of west to make it easier in setting up the conference.

Personally I like the following...

If they go to 14 and stop

FSU
Clemson
GT
ND

If they go to 16 add these two

NCST
Louisville


Now part of me likes the old WV/Pitt rivalry but I think they do not bring as much to the conference as the others. I also think with FSU and GT it would make ND more apt to join.

So...let me know...who would you like to see join the Big 12 if they got to 14 or 16.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In the North:

ND
VaTech
BYU


In the South:

FSU

If you were talking 16 teams:

BC in the North and Miami in the South.

 

[The30YardSlant]

In the North:

ND
VaTech
BYU


In the South:

FSU

If you were talking 16 teams:

BC in the North and Miami in the South.

Getting awfully ambitious there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Getting awfully ambitious there.

How so?

 

[The30YardSlant]

How so?

Why not add Ohio State and USC while you're at it?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why not add Ohio State and USC while you're at it?

I expected an intelligent response here Slant. Obviously OSU and USC are staple programs in already established conferences who have major national following.

All the schools that I named are either none conference or are in conferences that may be subject to realignment in the very near future. All of the schools I mention have been reported to have shown interest in the Big 12 to one degree or another, except BC. I have heard nothing on BC but it stands to reason that if several members of the ACC depart, BC would then have to look at their options and I would certainly be interested in that program for the Big 12.

I don't really see it as all that unrealistic.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I expected an intelligent response here Slant. Obviously OSU and USC are staple programs in already established conferences who have major national following.

All the schools that I named are either none conference or are in conferences that may be subject to realignment in the very near future. All of the schools I mention have been reported to have shown interest in the Big 12 to one degree or another, except BC. I have heard nothing on BC but it stands to reason that if several members of the ACC depart, BC would then have to look at their options and I would certainly be interested in that program for the Big 12.

I don't really see it as all that unrealistic.

I think FSU's interest has Big XII fans thinking they will just be able to cherry pick whoever they want while ignoring the dozens of financial, geographical, judicial and schematic hurdles.

If the Big XII expands to 14, it will likely be Florida State, Louisville, BYU and Clemson or NC State IMO. I still think the odds are decent that the ACC stabilizes, though.

 

[MC KAos]

id like us to add ND, FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, clemson and Pitt OR Louisville. then we make 4 divisions of 4 teams and have 2 rounds of conference championship games between the 4 division winners!

 

[The30YardSlant]

id like us to add ND, FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, clemson and Pitt OR Louisville. then we make 4 divisions of 4 teams and have 2 rounds of conference championship games between the 4 division winners!

See what I mean?

 

[MC KAos]

See what I mean?

why must you troll? did you read the title of the thread? its not whats gonna happen, its what people WANT to happen! go troll somewhere else, maybe make up a story about how the SEC is going to get eleventy billion for their radio rights.

 

[The30YardSlant]

why must you troll? did you read the title of the thread? its not whats gonna happen, its what people WANT to happen! go troll somewhere else, maybe make up a story about how the SEC is going to get eleventy billion for their radio rights.

I hardly think it's trolling to suggest that thinking the Big XII will land FSU, Clemson, Miami, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh is a bit ambitious at this point. I just don't think you like hearing it.

And I gave my list of who I think we'll be there if 14 teams happens.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think FSU's interest has Big XII fans thinking they will just be able to cherry pick whoever they want while ignoring the dozens of financial, geographical, judicial and schematic hurdles.

If the Big XII expands to 14, it will likely be Florida State, Louisville, BYU and Clemson or NC State IMO. I still think the odds are decent that the ACC stabilizes, though.

I don't think the travel is that much worse for the Big 12 then the ACC and the additional revenue would certainly make up for that. I absolutely think that the Big 12 will be able to Cherry Pick the programs they want to bring in. Why wouldn't they be able to?

Financially, it's already been established that joining the Big 12 is financially better then staying in the ACC so I don't really think there is an argument there. With regards to the Big 12, the SEC contract basically confirms that if you pursue expansion, the payoff will be their if you bring in the right programs so I do see the issue there either. Makes much more sense to bring in revenue drawing teams then it does to bring in teams that do not generate revenue.

The topic of the thread is, "What Teams Would You Like", not likely teams but never the less, why would you consider BYU, Clemson and NCSt. as more likely then some of the other programs named? I do agree that FSU seems very likely if the Big 12 does decide to go down the path of expansion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

See what I mean?

No, I really don't.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

See what I mean?

Actually most people not named 30yardslant don't see what you mean because you don't see what others that have been following it sees.

Of the 7 schools/teams listed at LEAST 5 of those 7 have made inquiries about joining the big 12.

ND
FSU
Clemson
Louisville
Georgia Tech

All of the above have had conversations.

The only two that I have not heard about concerning wanting to be in the big 12 or having some talks are Pitt and Miami...however even then FSU asked about bringing Miami with them so there was some interest there. What I have heard is that Miami could not get enough votes to garner the interest from the big 12 with 7 votes needed but only getting 5 at this time.

So again...there has been interest from the majority of the schools you seem to think are so unreasonable that you need to make snide comments on anyone thinking it is possible.

The ACC schools are worried right now. The Big 12/ SEC bowl alliance is a sign that most anyone in college can see that SEC, B1G, Big 12 and Pac are the major players now and the ACC will be on the outside looking in.

FSU and Clemson will soon submit to the ACC that they are formally announcing they will be looking at other conferences (as part of the process they are supposed to go through).

I don't know if you just don't believe any of this or if you are just being argumentative as part of your personality. Whatever the case there is nothing far fetched about what is going on right now. Whether it pans out or not is one thing, but the talks ARE happening.

 

[MC KAos]

I hardly think it's trolling to suggest that thinking the Big XII will land FSU, Clemson, Miami, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh is a bit ambitious at this point. I just don't think you like hearing it.

And I gave my list of who I think we'll be there if 14 teams happens.

i dont think you understand that no one is saying these things will happen or we think they will, again the title of the thread is what we WANT to happen, not what we think or have heard WILL happen, two very big differences. so, unless you want to give us your opinion on what you would WANT the big 12 to look like, maybe you should stop trolling our opinions and go back to the SEC getting 51% shares in microsoft and apple thread.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I don't think the travel is that much worse for the Big 12 then the ACC and the additional revenue would certainly make up for that. I absolutely think that the Big 12 will be able to Cherry Pick the programs they want to bring in. Why wouldn't they be able to?

Notre Dame is, for all intents and purposes, above it all...and if they aren't they believe they are. They don't think they need anyone or anything.

Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech and Miami have expressed serious concerns about the Big XII's lack of academic prowess.

The North Carolina legislature will fight to the death to prevent the breakup of NC State and UNC.

BYU wants special concessions from any conference they join and will not participate in any competitions on Sundays.

Virginia Tech and Virginia have already been threatened by the state of Virginia not to breakup.

There are literally dozens of hurdles for almost all scenarios, however all of this is being ignored because people are either too wrapped up in a frenzy to know or too big for their britches to care. But hey, you could probably land Louisville tomorrow with zero resistance.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Actually most people not named 30yardslant don't see what you mean because you don't see what others that have been following it sees.

Of the 7 schools/teams listed at LEAST 5 of those 7 have made inquiries about joining the big 12.

ND
FSU
Clemson
Louisville
Georgia Tech

All of the above have had conversations.

The only two that I have not heard about concerning wanting to be in the big 12 or having some talks are Pitt and Miami...however even then FSU asked about bringing Miami with them so there was some interest there. What I have heard is that Miami could not get enough votes to garner the interest from the big 12 with 7 votes needed but only getting 5 at this time.

So again...there has been interest from the majority of the schools you seem to think are so unreasonable that you need to make snide comments on anyone thinking it is possible.

The ACC schools are worried right now. The Big 12/ SEC bowl alliance is a sign that most anyone in college can see that SEC, B1G, Big 12 and Pac are the major players now and the ACC will be on the outside looking in.

FSU and Clemson will soon submit to the ACC that they are formally announcing they will be looking at other conferences (as part of the process they are supposed to go through).

I don't know if you just don't believe any of this or if you are just being argumentative as part of your personality. Whatever the case there is nothing far fetched about what is going on right now. Whether it pans out or not is one thing, but the talks ARE happening.

Notre Dame has been "talking" to the Big 10 for 30 years. Louisville has talked to every conference in America over the past several years. Talking hardly supercedes the actual barriers to expansion.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Notre Dame has been "talking" to the Big 10 for 30 years. Louisville has talked to every conference in America over the past several years. Talking hardly supercedes the actual barriers to expansion.

:laugh2: Louisville has talked...and they have moved...you do remember that until a few years ago they were in the Conf USA and moved to the big east. You also realize that just last year they made a hard play by using a Senator to try and get them to get in the Big 12 that delayed the announcement of WVU joining by a week?

The thing about Notre Dame and the Big 12 is that tier 3 issue that keeps them interested. The Big 10 is not going to let ND have their own network. The ACC might bend backwards to get ND in to try and help save it but they already have two teams heading to the Big 12 and others are wanting out whether it be Big 12 B1g or SEC.

There is nothing in the names being bandied about that is out of the question right now.

There is a reason there is so much smoke right now.

There is also a reason why many of the FSU rumors started from a WVU source...one day some will figure out why that is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Notre Dame is, for all intents and purposes, above it all...and if they aren't they believe they are. They don't think they need anyone or anything.

I do not believe that this is accurate. ND is independent in Football only. The rest of their athletics are in the Big East. The Big East, at this point, is anything but stable. On the one hand, you bring up travel cost but ignore the fact that the Big East has teams on both costs and everywhere in between. ND is not the Notre Dame of old. They need help and if the Big East can not support NDs other teams, the ND has to find a home because they can't support those teams otherwise. ND could easily find themselves on the outside looking in if they don't join a Power Conference and College Football goes to a playoff system. There is nothing at all that says ND will get preferential treatment in that situation.

Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech and Miami have expressed serious concerns about the Big XII's lack of academic prowess.

I never said anything about Pittsburgh or Gtech but I don't think it matters. FSU stated the same thing. Heck, I remember TAMU having those same discussion before they joined the SEC. It amounted to not much. Not even a speed bump when it came to it. This is about money more so then academics at this point.

The North Carolina legislature will fight to the death to prevent the breakup of NC State and UNC.

Texas Legislature did the same thing with UT and TAMU. How's life in the SEC?

BYU wants special concessions from any conference they join and will not participate in any competitions on Sundays.

Yeah, so? BYU also wants in the Big 12 very badly. They are currently in the WWC. You don't think they want the Big 12 instead? What's holding BYU to the Big 12 up is not BYU, it's the Big 12 accepting them in. BYU would be gone yesterday if the Big 12 came calling.

Virginia Tech and Virginia have already been threatened by the state of Virginia not to breakup.

I don't know that anybody has mentioned Virginia but VaTech has already had discussion with both the SEC and the Big 12. What is the State of Virginia going to do if FSU, Miami, UNC and NCSt. decide to leave? Are they going to force those schools to go down with the ship? I don't think so.

There are literally dozens of hurdles for almost all scenarios, however all of this is being ignored because people are either too wrapped up in a frenzy to know or too big for their britches to care. But hey, you could probably land Louisville tomorrow with zero resistance.

There are dozens of hurdles either way. If you don't align with a power conference and College Football goes to a playoff system, guess what. your going to be jumping hurdles anyhow but the difference will be that you are jumping them to try and survive as opposed to jumping them in order to substantially increase revenue.

I don't buy much of your argument. None of this could happen and the Big 12 could just decide to stay where they are but I seriously doubt that's what takes place. realignment is coming and you can get in front of it or get run over by it. I suspect that you would rather see the later but I have faith that the Big 12 is smarter then that. I guess time will tell.

 

[Aikbach]

Posted this yesterday and I fully anticipate it to go there in full in due course.