What was our problem?

[CrazyCowboy]

San Francisco 49ers
Rookie OLB Manny Lawson shows good explosion off the ball and is aggressive in run support. He had two sacks in Week 2. On one of them, he beat Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace off the edge.

What was we thinking when we passed on this guy?

Is have two DeMarcus Ware's a bad thing? :bang2:

 

[AtlCB]

San Francisco 49ers
Rookie OLB Manny Lawson shows good explosion off the ball and is aggressive in run support. He had two sacks in Week 2. On one of them, he beat Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace off the edge.

What was we thinking when we passed on this guy?

Is have two DeMarcus Ware's a bad thing? :bang2:

And where exactly would Manny Lawson play?

 

[ravidubey]

He wouldn't have started either with Ellis and Singleton in front of him. The 49ers have no such issues.

 

[austintodallas]

We made the right pick.

 

[Funxva]

We'll be fine. If we had gotten him, we wouldn't have any future starters at ILB, and also GE would eithe rbe backup and unhappy, or lawson wouldn't be starting anyhow.

 

[Champsheart]

San Francisco 49ers
Rookie OLB Manny Lawson shows good explosion off the ball and is aggressive in run support. He had two sacks in Week 2. On one of them, he beat Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace off the edge.

What was we thinking when we passed on this guy?

Is have two DeMarcus Ware's a bad thing? :bang2:

Greg Ellis seems to be doing just fine in that spot.

Ellis may just have more sacks, and I guarantee he is better against the run.

No complaining here.

 

[theogt]

Or better yet...Merriman and Lawson.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!

 

[kTXe]

How many times have you started this identical thread? Good God, man.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see no problem. Dallas choose not to get Lawson. I have nothing aginst Lawson but bottom line is Dallas had no interest in him.

 

[theogt]

I see no problem. Dallas choose not to get Lawson. I have nothing aginst Lawson but bottom line is Dallas had no interest in him.

That isn't exactly true.

 

[JackMagist]

Let's see...we have the Ellis / Moss debate (that one is kind of losing it's steam these days). We have the Ware / Merriman debate that we hear about ad nauseam. And now it looks like the Carpenter / Lawson debate will join the list.

Guys, we have the players we have. They were not bad choices (ok the jury is still out on Carp) and they seemed like the best choice to make at the time given our needs and the team’s situation at the time. Let’s live with it and move on.

 

[Stautner]

San Francisco 49ers
Rookie OLB Manny Lawson shows good explosion off the ball and is aggressive in run support. He had two sacks in Week 2. On one of them, he beat Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace off the edge.

What was we thinking when we passed on this guy?

Is have two DeMarcus Ware's a bad thing? :bang2:

You are way oversimplifying this.

First, as others have said, Lawson likely wouldn't even be starting here because of our depth at LB. The fact that SF is so weak and had so many holes is why he is getting a chance now.

Second, Lawson was considered a one dimensional player whereas Carpenter was considered a more versatile and better rounded LB. Apparently our coaches felt that was the kind of player we needed.

Third, Carpenter hasn't got his chance yet - reserve judgement until that happens. Players often don't get the chance right away but end up being very good once they do.

Fourth, even if over time it proves out that Lawson is a better NFL player, that's just the breaks. Drafting isn't an exact science and players drafted a heck of a lot higher than Carpenter or Lawson sometimes fall completely flat - probably more often than most fans realize. The only way to judge a team's drafting ability is by their overall record of success (admittedly pretty dismal for a number of years before Parcells came).

 

[aikemirv]

I thought the statement from the Cowboys was that they thought of Lawson as more of a developemental guy and Carpenter they thought could step right in.

They had no idea that Ellis would work out as well as he did and thought that Crapenter was more NFL game ready.

Hindsight is 20/20 and if they had known Ellis would have done so well we may not have chosen a LB at all!

 

[Doomsday101]

That isn't exactly true.

Enough so that we did not select him. Sorry I don't spend a lot of time thinking about who we could have gotten. I felt Dallas did a good job on draft day and feel the same today. There are many guys out there who not only did we pass on but many others passed on as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's see...we have the Ellis / Moss debate (that one is kind of losing it's steam these days). We have the Ware / Merriman debate that we hear about ad nauseam. And now it looks like the Carpenter / Lawson debate will join the list.

Guys, we have the players we have. They were not bad choices (ok the jury is still out on Carp) and they seemed like the best choice to make at the time given our needs and the team’s situation at the time. Let’s live with it and move on.

Exactly.

 

[theogt]

Enough so that we did not select him. Sorry I don't spend a lot of time thinking about who we could have gotten. I felt Dallas did a good job on draft day and feel the same today. There are many guys out there who not only did we pass on but many others passed on as well.

I'm not saying it was the wrong choice, but people have legitimate beef when Bill says he passed on Lawson because he thought Carpenter could contribute more now (while Lawson had the bigger upside). Since Carpenter isn't exactly contributing more now there's a reason to be upset.

I'm not, even though I was one of the loudest Lawson fans around. I'm pleased with Ellis and I love the depth that Carp gives us inside and out.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

San Francisco 49ers
Rookie OLB Manny Lawson shows good explosion off the ball and is aggressive in run support. He had two sacks in Week 2. On one of them, he beat Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace off the edge.

What was we thinking when we passed on this guy?

Is have two DeMarcus Ware's a bad thing? :bang2:

Way too early to tell.

The good news is that Greg Ellis has taken to the OLB role very well, so LOLB has become a non-issue for now.

It's understandable to be a little bit concerned about Carpenter. However, Ayodele hasn't been playing so hot and we may need the backups at ILB for him.

Most of this depends on how much Ellis has left in the tank. If he's got 3-4 years left, than not drafting Lawson (unless he becomes LT-esque) is pretty much a non-issue.


YAKUZA

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not saying it was the wrong choice, but people have legitimate beef when Bill says he passed on Lawson because he thought Carpenter could contribute more now (while Lawson had the bigger upside). Since Carpenter isn't exactly contributing more now there's a reason to be upset.

I'm not, even though I was one of the loudest Lawson fans around. I'm pleased with Ellis and I love the depth that Carp gives us inside and out.

Some around here are always upset. The draft took place in April when there was a lot more doubt about how this LB core would play out but in the end I think it has worked out better than to be expected so much so that we are not forced to play a rookie from the get go. I still think Carpenter will develop into a quality player but because he may not play much this season does not mean that much in the big picture.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It is what it is........a mistake Zoners!

BP history shows that he is loyal to his former players........I am sure he liked Carp alot because of his Dad.......this was a BP pick......and I am afraid it is going to be a mistake!

I agree with several of you who asked where would Lawson play at because of the stellar Ellis play? That is valid.......

I was a big Lawson fan and started several posts before the draft stating we should take this guy..... and I don't do this for a living!

So, what was our problem?

 

[aikemirv]

It is what it is........a mistake Zoners!

BP history shows that he is loyal to his former players........I am sure he liked Carp alot because of his Dad.......this was a BP pick......and I am afraid it is going to be a mistake!

I agree with several of you who asked where would Lawson play at because of the stellar Ellis play? That is valid.......

I was a big Lawson fan and started several posts before the draft stating we should take this guy..... and I don't do this for a living!

So, what was our problem?

So , you do not think any of the reasons for Carpenter over Lawson that have been given in this thread are valid?