What would jim brown be worth today?

[Deep_Freeze]

While Jim Brown was also 232lbs also, 232lbs back then was like 250lbs today. Jim Brown today would be in Okoye or Bettis' class rather than Steven Jackson. Jackson is only 15ish pounds heavier than Emmitt's playing weight. While it's not a drop in the bucket, it's also not 30+ pounds heavier as Brown generally was.

Are you kidding me?!?! I've seen you talk about running backs before, and you are just killing me.........wow......:bang2:

Brown would be more like a 275 pounder running a 4.2 40.

D-linemen average at least 285 or better today, and Brown was almost as big as D-linemen in his day, plus he ran faster than the DB's.

LOL, this is what isn't really understood. In his day, Brown was built like a defensive lineman, along with all that talent. Saying he would be Okoye is just so untrue, you are not using the comparison that Brown was in his time, I mean, dear god, Okoye or Bettis were never as quick as Brown with his size.

Brown was simply a freak of nature, like he traveled back in time with Michael J. Fox in the Delorean. Any comparsion today isn't doing justice to Brown, cause there just is no logical comparsion. Power backs of today, well none of them were Jim Brown, NOOOOOONE.

He was a huge physical speciman with speed and quickness. He was ahead of his time, and no back today fits that profile. Find a guy who is bigger, quicker, and faster than anyone on the field and you might come close........oppps there are none of those.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Are you kidding me?!?! I've seen you talk about running backs before, and you are just killing me.........wow......:bang2:



LOL, this is what isn't really understood. In his day, Brown was built like a defensive lineman, along with all that talent. Saying he would be Okoye is just so untrue, you are not using the comparison that Brown was in his time, I mean, dear god, Okoye or Bettis were never as quick as Brown with his size.

Brown was simply a freak of nature, like he traveled back in time with Michael J. Fox in the Delorean. Any comparsion today isn't doing justice to Brown, cause there just is no logical comparsion. Power backs of today, well none of them were Jim Brown, NOOOOOONE.

He was a huge physical speciman with speed and quickness. He was ahead of his time, and no back today fits that profile. Find a guy who is bigger, quicker, and faster than anyone on the field and you might come close........oppps there are none of those.

You mean like Calvin Johnson? 230lbs 4.3 speed?

I think you should put the joint down.

 

[Doomsday101]

You mean like Calvin Johnson? 230lbs 4.3 speed?

I think you should put the joint down.

Calvin Johnson is a WR the quote was regarding a back as in running back not WR back.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You mean like Calvin Johnson? 230lbs 4.3 speed?

I think you should put the joint down.

So now you are comparing Jim Brown to a rookie who hasn't played a down in the NFL?? In his era, there was no comparison to Brown, there was no one in the same universe as him and all of his talents and skills combined. In today's age, any name you bring up has a comparison. He was simply better than everyone by a very long way in his time and no one today can say that.

 

[Stautner]

You mean like Calvin Johnson? 230lbs 4.3 speed?

I think you should put the joint down.

Calvin Johnson is a WR the quote was regarding a back as in running back not WR back.

So now you are comparing Jim Brown to a rookie who hasn't played a down in the NFL?? In his era, there was no comparison to Brown. In today's age, any name you bring up has a comparison. He was simply better than everyone by a very long way in his time and no one today can say that.

Calvin Johnson is 60 pounds lighter than D-linemen of today and 4.3, while very fast, is not unheard of.

Brown was the same size as D-linemen and played in a day when 4.3 was pretty much unheard of.

And like DeepFeeze said, we haven't even seen Calvin play yet, so comparing him to Brown is way off base.

Accordingly, we are still waiting for nyc to make a point.

 

[jobberone]

There aren't any comparisons to Brown ever IMO. There are some backs I would consider taking over him though. Sayers and OJ for sure. Probably Dorsett and Walker. Smith maybe. Not Payton or Sanders. LT maybe.

If they had thrown the ball to him more (262 rec at 9.5 ypc with 5 TDs best per year) then I'd consider him as undeniably the best overall RB of all time. I don't think anyone has ever had his physical skills and tools though.

 

[Stautner]

There aren't any comparisons to Brown ever IMO. There are some backs I would consider taking over him though. Sayers and OJ for sure. Probably Dorsett and Walker. Smith maybe. Not Payton or Sanders. LT maybe.

If they had thrown the ball to him more (262 rec at 9.5 ypc with 5 TDs best per year) then I'd consider him as undeniably the best overall RB of all time. I don't think anyone has ever had his physical skills and tools though.

People have had his physical skills for the most part - Earl Campbell comes to mind - but no one has ever had such dominant physical skills compared to the other players of his era as Brown did.

That's what we've been discussing.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Calvin Johnson is a WR the quote was regarding a back as in running back not WR back.

Umm, you didn't read what I was responding too.

Find a guy who is bigger, quicker, and faster than anyone on the field and you might come close........oppps there are none of those.

Now, view it in that prospective. I did exactly what he ask.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

People have had his physical skills for the most part - Earl Campbell comes to mind - but no one has ever had such dominant physical skills compared to the other players of his era as Brown did.

That's what we've been discussing.

Funny you bring up Earl, have a story about him, my uncle played in the NFL with Earl and he told me all the players thought Earl was crazy, lol. He said, if Earl was at the sidelines and had 3 guys over there ready to tackle him, every back in the league would usually go out of bounds. Not Earl. He is going to try to run over all 3 of those guys.

Hilarious, had the skills, maybe not the brains......:laugh2:

We can throw in Gale and even BoJack, but really none were Brown.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Calvin Johnson is 60 pounds lighter than D-linemen of today and 4.3, while very fast, is not unheard of.

Brown was the same size as D-linemen and played in a day when 4.3 was pretty much unheard of.

And like DeepFeeze said, we haven't even seen Calvin play yet, so comparing him to Brown is way off base.

Accordingly, we are still waiting for nyc to make a point.

Jim Brown was 6'2 232lbs playing weight.

Calvin Johnson is 6'5 235lbs playing weight. (His weight has reached up to 239lbs)

They compare perfectly. Johnson is flat out bigger than Jim Brown was. He is heavier and taller. Deep_Freeze ask me to find anyone on the field that was bigger and faster. BINGO, I did.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Umm, you didn't read what I was responding too.



Now, view it in that prospective. I did exactly what he ask.

Well, we were talking about backs, not WRs, but in this era we have guys with similar attributes. Heck, we have one on our team.

In his era, there was Brown, and everyone else was a very distant second.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Jim Brown was 6'2 232lbs playing weight.

Calvin Johnson is 6'5 235lbs playing weight. (His weight has reached up to 239lbs)

They compare perfectly. Johnson is flat out bigger than Jim Brown was. He is heavier and taller. Deep_Freeze ask me to find anyone on the field that was bigger and faster. BINGO, I did.

LOL, what you aren't realizing is the difference between him and the others. There are alot of guys in this era real close to Calvin, none were in the same universe as Brown in his era.

 

[Stautner]

Jim Brown was 6'2 232lbs playing weight.

Calvin Johnson is 6'5 235lbs playing weight. (His weight has reached up to 239lbs)

They compare perfectly. Johnson is flat out bigger than Jim Brown was. He is heavier and taller. Deep_Freeze ask me to find anyone on the field that was bigger and faster. BINGO, I did.

No he didn't - here's what he said ....

He was a huge physical speciman with speed and quickness. He was ahead of his time, and no back today fits that profile. Find a guy who is bigger, quicker, and faster than anyone on the field and you might come close........oppps there are none of those.

Considering (A) he isn't a RB, (B) he isn't bigger than D-linemen by a long shot, and (C) he has yet to even show on the field that he is faster or quicker than other, then you haven't answered his question.

 

[Teague31]

what would the Waterboy be worth? imagine the havoc he could wreak in our 3-4 opposite Ware.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

You want to know how well an antique player like Jim Brown would fare today in this league? About as well as King Kong would last rampaging through NYC against todays military defenses. Shot down and blown up just like that. It would be a pathetically sad sight to see. Just like Kong would be lucky to ever even see the Empire State building, let alone ever make it there, Brown would have a hard time cracking a starting lineup in todays NFL. Forget the conditioning of players these days, the game itself has just progressed so much further than it was back then. Not to mention, the social issues from that time and era that drove this man and other black men, just isn't there anymore today. His "drive" would require new reasoning behind it, and God only knows if it would even be out there. Or if it would destroy the moral-fabric that made Jim Brown the type of player he was that dons so much respect even decades later. In 2007 his motivation literally could be a "ho" pissing him off, losing a dog fight, or someone almost shooting him and missing, but more than likely just not getting the type of money he thinks he deserves. The latter sadly seeming to be the motivation behind most professional athletes today, regardless of color. But if it did turn into that, there goes the Jim Brown we knew. If it didn't and he stayed the same with no current social issue driving him then, Jim Brown who? He hits the hole with no authority. Plays like he's got nothing to play for. This guy needs to get pissed. That's what it would be like.

A better assessment would be that of a QB. The game has considerably gotten easier for them, due to all the rules protecting them these days. Physically I think a QB (a pocket QB) from yesteryear could easily step into 2007 and still be somewhat the same. Roger loses his head though if he starts running like he did back then, and suddenly we need a new QB. If he simply sits back there and plays pocket qb though, he's making Brady/Manning type money today. For leadership is one trait that time cant replace.

 

[jackrussell]

You want to know how well an antique player like Jim Brown would fare today in this league? About as well as King Kong would last rampaging through NYC against todays military defenses. Shot down and blown up just like that. It would be a pathetically sad sight to see. Just like Kong would be lucky to ever even see the Empire State building, let alone ever make it there, Brown would have a hard time cracking a starting lineup in todays NFL.

Looks to me like he held his own pretty darn good.

No worse than his predecessor.

Hey, how would Jim Brown do against Godzilla?

 

[iceberg]

There aren't any comparisons to Brown ever IMO. There are some backs I would consider taking over him though. Sayers and OJ for sure. Probably Dorsett and Walker. Smith maybe. Not Payton or Sanders. LT maybe.

If they had thrown the ball to him more (262 rec at 9.5 ypc with 5 TDs best per year) then I'd consider him as undeniably the best overall RB of all time. I don't think anyone has ever had his physical skills and tools though.

payton is likely one of my all time favorite non-cowboy backs. his moves, his style, his mannerisms - he was just an incredible person off the field (as i know him anyway) as well as on. jim brown i brought up simply because he's the defacto "all time best back" on many lists for a lot of good reasons.

no i'm not saying that to upset some emmitt faithful, it's just how i feel.

people that say brown couldn't play in todays league - they're guessing in as much as those who feel he could. i feel he could simply because great players make great plays regardless of the circumstances. if he had to change up some maybe he could but never did cause he didn't have to *then*.

been a good convo - thanks everyone!

 

[DWhite Fan]

For my part, I would take Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw over Joe Montana any day of the week. I bet Montana would get his butt handed to him if he had to face the defenses Staubach had to face. Roger played in a time where the QB wasn't treated like a china doll. Roger's competitive nature would make him as good in today's NFL as it di in the 70's.

In my opinion, Walter Payton was the best football player to ever play the game. "Sweetness" was awsome!

 

[jobberone]

People have had his physical skills for the most part - Earl Campbell comes to mind - but no one has ever had such dominant physical skills compared to the other players of his era as Brown did.

That's what we've been discussing.

I understand what you've been discussing.

Earl Campbell was a great back. But he did not have the elusiveness, quickness, lateral ability, stop and go that Brown had. Brown didn't have the quicks like Sanders, the fluidness of Sayers with those quicks, but he was more elusive than Emmitt Smith ever was, stronger, faster, and anything else except maybe some moves Emmitt had. He may not have had Smith's vision but that is debatable.

The point is Brown was almost Gale Sayers in a FBs body. And stronger relatively than Campbell to the players of his era. He could block. He could catch the ball. Running backs just didn't have the same role catching the ball then so I can't say for sure how well he'd do now it that capacity. Remembering how well he did as a pass receiver makes me think he'd have been very versatile.

I can't really think of but one for player that was better overall. And that's Gale Sayers. I'm not saying how he fit the Bears. I'm saying his talents overall. But that's debatable. Others are close especially OJ. Not sure about him. But no one was as far ahead of his time than Brown.

Brown could play now as he was then. No doubt for me. And if he had the nutrional benefits from birth along with year round training I believe he'd have been bigger and maybe faster. Not sure about that one. But he could definitely play with today's athletes as he was.

 

[zrinkill]

If Brown grew up playing in todays game ..... he would be built like todays athletes.

He would be a battering ram that destroyed anything in his way.

[Players like Chuck Bednarik, David D. Deacon Jones, Johnny Sample, and Sam Huff remembered how Jim Brown was never intimidated, he couldn't be intimidated. Sam Huff tried and he failed miserably. He would say stuff like "Way to go D," or "Nice tackle Sam." "Way to go D. Come right back at you again you hate that. I'd rather he call me some nasty name or something," David "Deacon" Jones said. "You'd gang-tackled him, did what ever you could, give him extracurriculars. He'd get up slow, look at you, and walk back to the huddle and wouldn't say a word, just come at you again, and again, said Chuck Bednarik. "You'd just say 'What the hell? What's wrong with this guy for heaven sake when is he gonna stop carrying the ball, how much more can he take?"}

Sounds like Emmitt ...... and thats what kinda player I think he would have been in todays game.