What would Jimmy Do? Well, here's one thing...

your wrong in a way about jimmy johnson, granted he himself helped the cowboys win 2 superbowls;

Dont forget that the team was built that went to championships in NFL NFC to 1998 knocking on the door, and the team that won the superbowl in 95 was basically Jimmy Johnson's team that he built.

I still think to this day if Jerry Jones had kept and paid to keep free agents Kevin Gogan, Mark Stepnoski, Ken Norton Jr and theres a few others but their name escapes me now, you would have seen the cowboys win 4-5 superbowls,

Sure Jimmy Johnson most likely would have left in after the 94 season, thats his legacy, look at wherever he has been oklahoma st, miami, he stays there and then leaves after 5 years mostly.

now as far as what jimmy johnson would have done, cut somebody i agree with you, but your thinking about whom he cut in the wrong way,

jimmy johnson never cut starters period, did he threaten them like he did with charles haley, yessssssss. But he kept starters.

Lets look at some of the players he cut, to send a message;
Curvin Richards
Jimmy Smith, yes the great wr, but not a starter, (here jimmy didnt do the
3 year rule on players from tom landry)
John Roper
in other words look jimmy johnson never cut starters but cut players that were fringe players and didnt do their jobs, i cant think of the linebackers name right now, but he fell asleep in drills and the cowboys had just gotten him that day or day before, jimmy cut him after the nap,

did jimmy cut leon lett when he made those 2 big stupid plays no, jimmy always had a eye for talent when players played on the field, thats the key, keep good players and cut others that dont do their job and keep messing up

there was a kicker that elliot that messed up, jimmy cut him and told him you never will kick in the nfl again, i will see to that, the kicker never did

thats who you cut

now lets look at who you have to cut on your list;
Originally Posted by Awakened [View Post]
HE'D CUT SOMEBODY!

Whenever Jimmy wanted to shake things up, he'd fire an underachiever. I think it is time to cut somebody loose and get the rest of the team's attention.
Here is a list of possibilities:

- Bobby Carpenter
- Jason Hatcher (has Bowen moved ahead of him?)
- Roy Williams (probably can't cut him because of injury - injury settlement?)
- Brad Johnson (my mom is available to replace him)
- Flozell Adams (I know, in my dreams)

Other suggestions?
First, you can get something for Bobby Carpenter, and now with bradie james hurt, you have to play carpenter, but parcells wants bobby carpenter bad so there is a trade after the year if carpenter doesnt pan out the next few games, now the cowboys will know if bobby has it or not, due to james's injury

Tony Curtis, could be a possibilty to cut, i think jimmy would have cut him and brought up rodney hannah from practice squad
Proctor, yes i think jimmy would have cut him and played Holland or berger
Justin Rogers may have cut him too, he blew one of the blocks that allowed mcbrair to be cut, thats who you cut backup players that arent playing well
 
Jimmy would get on his boat, throw a line in the water, sit back with his feet up, look at his check from fox and pop open a Heineken.
 
AKATheRake;2361701 said:
OK lets live in the present. How does little Bill down in NE get his team to blow out the Broncos 41 - 7 on Monday night without Tom Brady at QB or Laurence Maroney at RB and Delta O'Neal at CB? The guy is up 20-0 at half time, gets the ball to start the half and comes out in a hurry up offense throwing. Even better, the bookie coach is up 27 - 0 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd and he's still throwing and players are going out of bounds to stop the clock after they convert. Even better than that, with 7 minutes left in the 4th he's still throwing out of a no huddle up 34 - 7. Doing this crap right after Rodney Harrison gets hurt during the Broncos offensive drive prior. How does he get them to become this evil and not even care about their health when they have obviously won the game? By the way, the over under was at 48 points. The bookies got the push and get to keep their juice. The best part? Jay Cutler before the half goes off because of his hand. You know what the over/under was for the 2nd half? 21 points, hahahahha!. You'd take that right? Knowing the Pats were up 20 -0 and Cutler would be out? Guess what, he comes back in the 2nd half. Well 28 points get scored afterwards for the over on with players on the Pats going out of bounds to stop the clock. Unreal, just couldn't believe the BS football I saw! Didn't lose any money but was hanging with 2 guys that did, one friend broke even on the push for 48 and the other lost taking the under at 21. Glad I don't bet on this trash because a lot of cloak and dagger crap goes on in these games. My point is, whether you put money on the games or just like to watch for fun, none of these games come out the way people believe them too and it is just an emotional swing because of the gambling involved. Believe me, if the powers that be would not allow the gambling things would be alot different in this league. More consistent. The problem is, the powers that be created the rules to this game and they taylored them to make as much money as possible. Drive yourselves nuts on the soap opera that is the NFL and the Cowboys, Pats and Favre are at the fore front of it.

Nice of the Broncos to lay down so the gambling thing would work out.
 
I've got a question...what would Jimmy do when he didn't have Jerry Jones, and actually had to work heavily with the salary cap in place and not without it?

Oh, yeah, I know what he'd do. He'd do what he did in Miami...absolutely nothing.


That is one of the most often over looked aspects of the difference between when Jimmy was here and what he did after he left. When he was building the Cowboys he didn't have to deal with a salary cap. He could stop pile talent and he could afford to cut an under achiever to make an example because he didn't have to worry about cap ramifications or where he'd replace that body with.

Jimmy isn't coaching now because once he got a taste of what the cap does to your ability to just cut people, and once he didn't have an owner who could spend whatever he needed on players (or an owner who would for that matter even if there was no cap) he wasn't nearly the genius he was prior to that.
 
You can't cut players in the salary cap era! It's stupid.

You can bench some players though.....but will be even worse!

For all those wanting to bench Flo and put in McQuistan...go right ahead....and when Romo gets blown up and is out for the year...then what?

These players need to put all egos aside and just play football.
 
BrAinPaiNt;2361960 said:
Jimmy would get on his boat, throw a line in the water, sit back with his feet up, look at his check from fox and pop open a Heineken.

he's got it made. I'd do the same if I was Jimmy. And the legend grows :rolleyes:
 
BAT;2361819 said:
Who cares what Jimmy did in Miami, he won TWO (some would say 3) Lombardi's for the DALLAS COWBOYS.


I wouldn't quite say "hate", but there sure is a lot of apathy and ingratitude for a real Cowboys coach, one who did what it took to WIN.


Parcells was from the same school, he just never fielded teams as dominant, and he lived on his reputation for decades after he shot his wad. Parcells not only did not win jack for the Cowboys, he was and will always be a Giant.
Thankyou!:thankyou:
 
BAT;2361819 said:
Who cares what Jimmy did in Miami, he won TWO (some would say 3) Lombardi's for the DALLAS COWBOYS.


I wouldn't quite say "hate", but there sure is a lot of apathy and ingratitude for a real Cowboys coach, one who did what it took to WIN.


Parcells was from the same school, he just never fielded teams as dominant, and he lived on his reputation for decades after he shot his wad. Parcells not only did not win jack for the Cowboys, he was and will always be a Giant.

The reason it matters on what he did in Miami is because that goes directly to how he would handle the issues now days that he didn't have to during his Dallas run. Jimmy got a lot out of a lot of people but he could cut people, and do things, cause he had endless amounts of depth and didn't have to worry about Salary caps or cap ramifications.

Once he did, when he was in Miami, he wasn't nearly as effective a Coach.

Jimmy was great, and just what this team needed, during his run here. Today's NFL is a totally different ballgame and an important part of the game is the salary cap and that salary cap directly goes against what Jimmy was great at. Getting loads of depth to where he could scare players into believing that if they didnt' do their jobs that he would simply cut them or bench them and move up the next guy in line who could.

He couldn't scare people with that today because everyone knows that you no one has that kind of depth anymore. The Cowboys Jimmy coached had a Defensive line that went 8 or 9 guys deep and any, and all of them, could have started for most everyone else in the league.

He simply doesn't have that in the league now with the cap.
 
cowboyjoe;2361894 said:
your wrong in a way about jimmy johnson, granted he himself helped the cowboys win 2 superbowls;

Dont forget that the team was built that went to championships in NFL NFC to 1998 knocking on the door, and the team that won the superbowl in 95 was basically Jimmy Johnson's team that he built.

I still think to this day if Jerry Jones had kept and paid to keep free agents Kevin Gogan, Mark Stepnoski, Ken Norton Jr and theres a few others but their name escapes me now, you would have seen the cowboys win 4-5 superbowls,

Sure Jimmy Johnson most likely would have left in after the 94 season, thats his legacy, look at wherever he has been oklahoma st, miami, he stays there and then leaves after 5 years mostly.

now as far as what jimmy johnson would have done, cut somebody i agree with you, but your thinking about whom he cut in the wrong way,

jimmy johnson never cut starters period, did he threaten them like he did with charles haley, yessssssss. But he kept starters.

Lets look at some of the players he cut, to send a message;
Curvin Richards
Jimmy Smith, yes the great wr, but not a starter, (here jimmy didnt do the
3 year rule on players from tom landry)
John Roper
in other words look jimmy johnson never cut starters but cut players that were fringe players and didnt do their jobs, i cant think of the linebackers name right now, but he fell asleep in drills and the cowboys had just gotten him that day or day before, jimmy cut him after the nap,

did jimmy cut leon lett when he made those 2 big stupid plays no, jimmy always had a eye for talent when players played on the field, thats the key, keep good players and cut others that dont do their job and keep messing up

there was a kicker that elliot that messed up, jimmy cut him and told him you never will kick in the nfl again, i will see to that, the kicker never did

thats who you cut

now lets look at who you have to cut on your list;
Originally Posted by Awakened [View Post]
HE'D CUT SOMEBODY!

Whenever Jimmy wanted to shake things up, he'd fire an underachiever. I think it is time to cut somebody loose and get the rest of the team's attention.
Here is a list of possibilities:

- Bobby Carpenter
- Jason Hatcher (has Bowen moved ahead of him?)
- Roy Williams (probably can't cut him because of injury - injury settlement?)
- Brad Johnson (my mom is available to replace him)
- Flozell Adams (I know, in my dreams)

Other suggestions?
First, you can get something for Bobby Carpenter, and now with bradie james hurt, you have to play carpenter, but parcells wants bobby carpenter bad so there is a trade after the year if carpenter doesnt pan out the next few games, now the cowboys will know if bobby has it or not, due to james's injury

Tony Curtis, could be a possibilty to cut, i think jimmy would have cut him and brought up rodney hannah from practice squad
Proctor, yes i think jimmy would have cut him and played Holland or berger
Justin Rogers may have cut him too, he blew one of the blocks that allowed mcbrair to be cut, thats who you cut backup players that arent playing well

Some great points. I agree that Jimmy didn't just go around cutting players as much as people make it out to be.

Jimmy Johnson did not cut Jimmy Smith. Smith was cut by Jerry Jones and Barry Switzer.

Why should Jerry have resigned Kevin Gogan? They drafted Larry Allen who was a better right guard than Gogan. That is what he played when Dallas won SB30.

Ray Donaldson was a pretty good center replacement for Stepnoski. He may have been better than Step.
 

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