What would you give to trade back up into the first?

[Beats_By_Zeke]

I honestly think that Dallas has to take the Best player available at 16 and not trade down. Im hoping its Donald, how ever would not be upset with a tackle or a saftey.
Either way I think Dallas needs a pass rusher and a saftey. so if they grabbed Donald and they knew Pryor or Dix was not going to last till the 2nd, what would you give up to move back into the first take a safety or another player for that matter. I was thinking a 2nd and a 4th. If that didn't work, maybe a use the 3rd instead of the 4th.
What you guys think, how much is to much to move back into the first?

 

[SacramentoKing]

Trade chart

 

[KingintheNorth]

We don't have the resources. Plus, Jerry has a new "internal" trade chart that some SMU math professor came up with that factors in Jerry getting beat in every trade.

 

[Risen Star]

Nothing. This team lacks talent. They also lack salary cap resources. They need every draft pick they can get.

 

[DBOY3141]

I would not trade up. I would however trade back. Most folks are saying this is the deeptest draft in years. Another 2nd or 3rd would to wonders. As RS and many others have stated, this teams lacks players. One guy isn't going to change much.

 

[Questfor6]

Best case scenario is one of the top 3 QB's falls into our lap at 16 and per say Cleveland went opposite direction at 4 then we can charge another bounty for that pick.

 

[KingintheNorth]

by "bounty" you mean we don't get fair value correct?

 

[big dog cowboy]

What you guys think, how much is to much to move back into the first?

I wouldn't give up anything to move up this year. Dumbest thing you can do in a talent rich draft is give up picks. If the draft falls right I'd try to move back 2-3 spots and pick up an extra 4th.

 

[NJ22]

Trade chart

Wait, the one the rest of the league uses, or the one that Jerry uses that somehow undervalues picks owned by Dallas and over values everyone else's?

 

[Galian Beast]

Trading up works great when you get someone like Dez Bryant who turns out to be a beast. Trading up really hurts your team significantly when you trade up from someone like Morris Claiborne who turns out to be a borderline bust.

It's high risk, high reward proposition. With as many holes as we have on our team, I'd suggest we can't afford the risk.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I honestly think that Dallas has to take the Best player available at 16 and not trade down. Im hoping its Donald, how ever would not be upset with a tackle or a saftey.
Either way I think Dallas needs a pass rusher and a saftey. so if they grabbed Donald and they knew Pryor or Dix was not going to last till the 2nd, what would you give up to move back into the first take a safety or another player for that matter. I was thinking a 2nd and a 4th. If that didn't work, maybe a use the 3rd instead of the 4th.
What you guys think, how much is to much to move back into the first?

Donald, pryor, jerrigan. if all three are on board, and jets or ravens want to trade up for a pick or two. I would make the move.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Giving up picks to move up is risky.

I think we all agree that giving up a 2nd round pick to move up and grab Morris was probably not the right move to make.

Put it like this, if Morris Claiborne was on another team right now and they offered him to us for a 1st and a 2nd...............any takers?

Kinda my point.

 

[Galian Beast]

Giving up picks to move up is risky.

I think we all agree that giving up a 2nd round pick to move up and grab Morris was probably not the right move to make.

Put it like this, if Morris Claiborne was on another team right now and they offered him to us for a 1st and a 2nd...............any taker?

Kinda my point.

I think only in hindsight. At time Rob Ryan needed some shutdown man to man corners, and Claiborne was considered one of the best. It has turned out that he isn't the best, he can't stay healthy, and he is probably a mismatch for our defensive scheme... but at the time we wouldn't know any of that.

Trading up can work really well for you, but the force and impact of the decision when it doesn't work out... devastating.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think only in hindsight. At time Rob Ryan needed some shutdown man to man corners, and Claiborne was considered one of the best. It has turned out that he isn't the best, he can't stay healthy, and he is probably a mismatch for our defensive scheme... but at the time we wouldn't know any of that.

Trading up can work really well for you, but the force and impact of the decision when it doesn't work out... devastating.

Good points...............I agree that Morris is not a "Tampa 2" corner and does not really fit this scheme. I think that might be the problem with Brandon Carr as well. He was signed to that huge free agent contract to be a bump and run man to man corner.

Carr on one side, Claiborne on the other side, both playing aggressive man to man coverage for Rob Ryan's exotic schemes..................that was the plan.

These guys are not "Tampa 2" corners and they are just not a good fit for Kiffen's/Marrinelli's defense. We basically have wasted a 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder, and a $50 million dollar free agent contract on guys that don't fit the current system.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Trading up really hurts your team significantly when you trade up from someone like Morris Claiborne who turns out to be a borderline bust.

Holy moly.

Yep he is a bust cut him!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Nothing. This team lacks talent. They also lack salary cap resources. They need every draft pick they can get.

No talent
No cap space

But by gosh we are lousy with hope.

 

[Verdict]

If the Cowboys organization believes that this draft is as deep as everyone is touting it to be, then trading up, in general theory, is a bad idea. In practice, if there is a guy that you view as worthy of the trade up, then do it, but it sure as hell had better be worth the opportunity cost.

Keep in mind that trading back once will usually just net you one additional pick in the trade back, so regardless how deep the draft is trading back once really only has so much benefit. Trading back isn't always the right idea either. We could have had Steven Jackson and ended up with Julius Jones and (a year later ) Marcus Spears. In retrospect staying put and taking Jackson would have probably been a better decision.

 

[CF74]

Unless there is a beast DE/DT or even a stud QB there at 16, I hope we trade down and get an extra 2nd This Year...

 

[Alexander]

Nothing. Not in this draft.

Pick your player. Move on to the next pick, hope someone offers you a trade down.

 

[Risen Star]

Nothing. Not in this draft.

Pick your player. Move on to the next pick, hope someone offers you a trade down.

What if Justin Gilbert is still there at 6?

Oh ah ah ah ah.