What's a half inch between friends?;)

[Big Dakota]

Carp was measured at a shade over 6'2". and is about 260

There are those of us that think Spencer is maybe a better version of Shaun Phillips and both are at or just under 6'3"

Carp, Spencer and Phillips are just about the same height, and weight(6'2& half"-6'3" and 260)


What is to say Carp can't do what Shaun Phillips did last year or what some think Spencer can do???? Does .5 inch mean much?

All these guys run in the 4.6-4.7 range.

If you look at the 3-4 D's being run, not all guys measure up to the model size-weight.

All i'm saying is Carp has as good a chance as the Phillipes, Spencers, PORTER'S(6'3" 250) of being successful in the 3-4.

 

[theogt]

You're right. Every person in the world that is 6'2" and 250-260 lbs. should be able to step right in and help out our pass-rush.

In all honesty, what Bobby simply needs to work on is his strength. He's got decent size, though he could use an extra inch or so and 5-10 lbs. Phillips had the same problem coming out, though he was more of a polished pass-rusher because, quite simply, he played DE throughout his college career. It took Phillips a few years to develop and given that time frame Bobby could probably develop as well. Probably.

But I just like him inside where his athleticism in the open field can be utilized, and he won't need any time to develop. Stick him there in day 1 in camp and he'll have James' spot secured and we'll have filled one of the biggest holes on the defense.

As for Spencer, the guy could step in from Week 1 on and contribute at a high level. He's polished, he's got the size and athleticism, and he's got the strength. You stick him at a 3-4 OLB position and he'll have 8-10 sacks in his first season. There's no need to let him develop. So drafting Spencer, to me, essentially kills two birds with one stone by giving us immediate help at pass-rush and going from having a liability at LILB to a major asset.

 

[jobberone]

Carp was measured at a shade over 6'2". and is about 260

There are those of us that think Spencer is maybe a better version of Shaun Phillips and both are at or just under 6'3"

Carp, Spencer and Phillips are just about the same height, and weight(6'2& half"-6'3" and 260)


What is to say Carp can't do what Shaun Phillips did last year or what some think Spencer can do???? Does .5 inch mean much?

All these guys run in the 4.6-4.7 range.

If you look at the 3-4 D's being run, not all guys measure up to the model size-weight.

All i'm saying is Carp has as good a chance as the Phillipes, Spencers, PORTER'S(6'3" 250) of being successful in the 3-4.

Absolutely. The only reason to draft Spencer is if you think he'll start right away opposite Ellis; esp if you think he'll be a star. But it would be reasonable of them to wait on Carp/Burnett/Ellis to fill that hole. Esp if they think Ellis will share time with one or both. That would take care of a big problem.

You're right. Every person in the world that is 6'2" and 250-260 lbs. should be able to step right in and help out our pass-rush.

In all honesty, what Bobby simply needs to work on is his strength. He's got decent size, though he could use an extra inch or so and 5-10 lbs. Phillips had the same problem coming out, though he was more of a polished pass-rusher because, quite simply, he played DE throughout his college career. It took Phillips a few years to develop and given that time frame Bobby could probably develop as well. Probably.

But I just like him inside where his athleticism in the open field can be utilized, and he won't need any time to develop. Stick him there in day 1 in camp and he'll have James' spot secured and we'll have filled one of the biggest holes on the defense.

As for Spencer, the guy could step in from Week 1 on and contribute at a high level. He's polished, he's got the size and athleticism, and he's got the strength. You stick him at a 3-4 OLB position and he'll have 8-10 sacks in his first season. There's no need to let him develop. So drafting Spencer, to me, essentially kills two birds with one stone by giving us immediate help at pass-rush and going from having a liability at LILB to a major asset.

The problem with drafting Spencer is not drafting a CB or S. Or a WR if you feel that's a more pressing need. If Carp/Burnett/Ellis can do the job why put another number one at LB and its cap implications as well.

This is why I think they will go DB in the first. If they think one of the first round WRs is the shazzam then they'll go that way.

There are solid picks at 22. They might even be able to trade down a few and get the same value and risk.

 

[junk]

Carp was measured at a shade over 6'2". and is about 260

There are those of us that think Spencer is maybe a better version of Shaun Phillips and both are at or just under 6'3"

Carp, Spencer and Phillips are just about the same height, and weight(6'2& half"-6'3" and 260)


What is to say Carp can't do what Shaun Phillips did last year or what some think Spencer can do???? Does .5 inch mean much?

All these guys run in the 4.6-4.7 range.

If you look at the 3-4 D's being run, not all guys measure up to the model size-weight.

All i'm saying is Carp has as good a chance as the Phillipes, Spencers, PORTER'S(6'3" 250) of being successful in the 3-4.

I agree. I think he'd be a fine 3-4 OLB.

However, I do like Spencer and wouldn't complain about that selection.

 

[burmafrd]

Thought I read where Spencers ability to cover was thought to be limited due to stiff hips. At least one report said they doubted his ability to be a full LB- probably more of a pass rush specialist.

 

[jobberone]

Thought I read where Spencers ability to cover was thought to be limited due to stiff hips. At least one report said they doubted his ability to be a full LB- probably more of a pass rush specialist.

That's the rumor.

 

[sago1]

I just love it when people are so positive about a player.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I sure do hope we can find AT LEAST one pass rusher to help our Ware!

 

[DCBoysfan]

Absolutely. The only reason to draft Spencer is if you think he'll start right away opposite Ellis; esp if you think he'll be a star. But it would be reasonable of them to wait on Carp/Burnett/Ellis to fill that hole. Esp if they think Ellis will share time with one or both. That would take care of a big problem.




The problem with drafting Spencer is not drafting a CB or S. Or a WR if you feel that's a more pressing need. If Carp/Burnett/Ellis can do the job why put another number one at LB and its cap implications as well.

This is why I think they will go DB in the first. If they think one of the first round WRs is the shazzam then they'll go that way.


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There are solid picks at 22. They might even be able to trade down a few and get the same value and risk.

Honestly I would'nt look for too much from G. Ellis, I 'm a big Ellis fan but to come off that of injury and expect the same level of play from him at his age, is unrealistic. If Dallas as a chance to get a guy that can get to the QB then you have to take him. I also think that Carp is one of the very few guys on this team that can play inside or ouside, which makes hie very valuable

 

[jobberone]

Honestly I would'nt look for too much from G. Ellis, I 'm a big Ellis fan but to come off that of injury and expect the same level of play from him at his age, is unrealistic. If Dallas as a chance to get a guy that can get to the QB then you have to take him. I also think that Carp is one of the very few guys on this team that can play inside or ouside, which makes hie very valuable

Achilles repair and rehab is more advanced than just a few years ago. I'm not involved in rehabbing professional athletes anymore or for the last five years. But Achilles repair was much improved although not on the same level as knee repair. And there are many nuances. It appears he tore it at the insertion and that's the best place if you're going to tear it. He wouldn't be running with other professional athletes if things weren't going very well. If things are going well then there is no reason to worry about the injury that much. It then becomes an issue of does Ellis still have the ability to play the position. Rehab these days generally ends up with the player stronger than before he injury.

Despite all the optimistic rhetoric, we've all been around enough to worry. My worries are how does a 32 yo 6-6 280 lb guy play LB. The same worries as last year. He rushes the passer and protects against the run well. But can he execute all the other duties of an OLB?

I think between Ellis, Carp and possibly Burnett we have our other edge rusher. If that's true and Hamlin plays adequately at safety, our biggest concern is CB.

If TO goes down it hurts. If Glenn goes down it hurts. But only if both go down does it ruin us.

If Henry or Newman go down it will likely ruin us. Ruin equals no playoff spot. JMO. My pick is we need a CB in the first two rounds that can start in a pinch and learn to play the passing schemes. You have to have 3 CBs of starting quality to play at a higher level. Depending on a 35 yo CB is risky. Depending on Henry is only slightly less risky. I think he'll bounce back but I wouldn't bet the farm on him. I can't even think about TNew going down. It gives me an anxiety attack.

 

[Angus]

You're right. Every person in the world that is 6'2" and 250-260 lbs. should be able to step right in and help out our pass-rush.

In all honesty, what Bobby simply needs to work on is his strength. He's got decent size, though he could use an extra inch or so and 5-10 lbs. Phillips had the same problem coming out, though he was more of a polished pass-rusher because, quite simply, he played DE throughout his college career. It took Phillips a few years to develop and given that time frame Bobby could probably develop as well. Probably.

But I just like him inside where his athleticism in the open field can be utilized, and he won't need any time to develop. Stick him there in day 1 in camp and he'll have James' spot secured and we'll have filled one of the biggest holes on the defense.

As for Spencer, the guy could step in from Week 1 on and contribute at a high level. He's polished, he's got the size and athleticism, and he's got the strength. You stick him at a 3-4 OLB position and he'll have 8-10 sacks in his first season. There's no need to let him develop. So drafting Spencer, to me, essentially kills two birds with one stone by giving us immediate help at pass-rush and going from having a liability at LILB to a major asset.

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[speedkilz88]

Carpenter may be able to be the rusher we need. He just doesn't have the body lean, fluidity, and strength that I see most top rushers possessing. He looks more like a shoot the gaps type of pass rusher than a turn the corner type imo.

 

[Angus]

Absolutely. The only reason to draft Spencer is if you think he'll start right away opposite Ellis; esp if you think he'll be a star. But it would be reasonable of them to wait on Carp/Burnett/Ellis to fill that hole. Esp if they think Ellis will share time with one or both. That would take care of a big problem.




The problem with drafting Spencer is not drafting a CB or S. Or a WR if you feel that's a more pressing need. If Carp/Burnett/Ellis can do the job why put another number one at LB and its cap implications as well.

This is why I think they will go DB in the first. If they think one of the first round WRs is the shazzam then they'll go that way.

There are solid picks at 22. They might even be able to trade down a few and get the same value and risk.

"Pressing need"? If Dallas truly attacks the draft from a BPA perspective the talents of players it already has on the team will not be important unless there are prospects at the top of the board of identical or near identical worth as future playmakers.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I agree. I think he'd be a fine 3-4 OLB.

However, I do like Spencer and wouldn't complain about that selection.

Agreed also...

You cant have too many pass rushers. He can play Day 1.

 

[theogt]

Thought I read where Spencers ability to cover was thought to be limited due to stiff hips. At least one report said they doubted his ability to be a full LB- probably more of a pass rush specialist.

From NFLDraftScout:

"[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Has the quick change of direction agility to work down the line and his speed and range dropping back in pass coverage could see him develop into a 3-4 outside linebacker..."

"...[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif].Has good backpedal skills, but is a bit stiff in his hips trying to turn..."

He also had one of the better cone drills among DEs.[/FONT]

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Carp was measured at a shade over 6'2". and is about 260

There are those of us that think Spencer is maybe a better version of Shaun Phillips and both are at or just under 6'3"

Carp, Spencer and Phillips are just about the same height, and weight(6'2& half"-6'3" and 260)


What is to say Carp can't do what Shaun Phillips did last year or what some think Spencer can do???? Does .5 inch mean much?

All these guys run in the 4.6-4.7 range.

If you look at the 3-4 D's being run, not all guys measure up to the model size-weight.

All i'm saying is Carp has as good a chance as the Phillipes, Spencers, PORTER'S(6'3" 250) of being successful in the 3-4.

When I saw title of thread I though it was gonna be about Witten and his almost first down vs. Seattle that would have led to 7 instead of 3........

 

[neosapien23]

I don't think this years draft is very good for outside 3-4 linebackers. This year has a much better crop for CBs and Wrs. I will admit that even though Dallas has spent so many picks on passrushers, they still need one more. However, they shouldn't overspend for one since there is always next year's draft or FA market.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, like you guys have said, it's absolutely nothing against Bobby. He's a very good athlete for his size... On par with almost everyone in this draft.

It's just that some guys have that knack for getting to the QB, and I don't know if Bobby has that. Spencer seems like that true DE (which he was) edge pass rusher, while Bobby seems like more of an all-around LB. Nothing wrong with either one... It's just that some of us think Bobby *might* be better inside, and we might still could use an OLB.

Even from the inside, though, Bobby will get to rush some, because Wade likes the bring the ILBs a lot more than Parcells ever did.

To me, this is one of the more intriguing decisions we'll see Wade make. The draft might tell us a lot about what he thinks.

 

[blindzebra]

I think Carpenter can do well at either position, but a key to Phillips 3-4 is the ability to shoot the inside gaps and cause breakdowns that free up the DEs and OLBs.

I am certain Carpenter can be that disruptive force, I'm not so sure about Ayodele and have absolutely zero faith in James being able to do it.

I'm also a firm believer that a kick arse front 7 transforms our defense. I also completely disagree that losing Newman or Henry ruins our season. Between Glenn, Reeves and Jones I have no doubts we'd be okay if we were getting 55-60 sacks...NO DOUBT.

That is not saying that I want to not address CB, I do, but our secondary is much better as is than what Phillips had in SD. If he feels we are a piece away in the front 7 from reaching that 60 sack range, I'm all for it.

Like it or not we currently have: Ware, Ayodele, James, Carpenter, Burnett, Ellis and Glymph. We need to add a couple of LBs regardless of when we draft them and if we can add a difference maker early...well.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It's just that some guys have that knack for getting to the QB, and I don't know if Bobby has that.

I hear ya... can anyone else elaborate on that? I remember a game where he started at end of season where he seemed to get to QB or at the very least pressure him alot?