What's America's most hallowed Sports mark now?...No mention of Emmitt's Mark

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1080...But no NFL career Rushing mark?:rolleyes:


What's America's most hallowed mark now?

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Well, so much for the "most hallowed record in all of sports."

With each blast Barry Bonds hits, the home run record — now at 757 and counting — becomes a little less hallowed and a little more hollow.
The sports world practically vanished into the collective yawn that met the merciful end of the Bonds saga.

I thought I'd be more impressed, might feel something, a flutter. But nope. Nada. I kept forgetting to switch over for Barry's at-bats and managed to miss 755 and 756, even though I was actually sitting and watching baseball when both bombs occurred.

Right now 757 feels about as sacred as 66, Joey Chestnut's new hot dog eating record.

As we begin our long solemn vigil waiting for Alex Rodriguez, who we've all unanimously decided is clean and beyond reproach, to wrest the record from the diabolical Bonds, perhaps it's time to come up with a new "most hallowed record in all of sports."

And the nominees are ...


1. 2,632 — Cal Ripken

I don't care what advances they make in the lab, there's nothing a player could ingest that would put this most remarkable of all sports records in jeopardy. The combination of the feat — 16 straight years without missing a game — and the class of the individual who accomplished it make this a logical replacement for America's Most Hallowed Record.


2. 56 — Joe DiMaggio

Joltin' Joe's 56-game hitting streak is always at or near the top of the list of records that will never be broken, but its hallowedness suffers from the fact that nobody ever makes a serious run at it. Fewer and fewer truly great hitters are free swingers like DiMaggio was, and the base on balls — and deep bullpens — have become the bane of would-be streakers.


3. 200 — Richard Petty

There is no doubt in my mind that if a NASCAR driver was on the verge of eclipsing Richard Petty's record 200 wins, many, many more American sports fans would be riveted by that chase than were by Bonds' torturous hunting down of Hank Aaron (Javert and Valjean). Not that anyone will ever make a run at King Richard's record. Jeff Gordon, the active leader, is a mere 121 wins from tying the mark.


4. 2,105 — Eric Dickerson

Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, Jamal Lewis. They've all taken dead aim at Eric Dickerson's single-season rushing record and they've all come up just short despite going over 2,000 yards. E.D.'s record has stood for 22 years, which is some serious staying power for a guy with the initials E.D.


5. 11 — Bill Russell


Imagine a guy coming into the NBA today — say, Greg Oden — knocking out 11 championships in 13 seasons and then calling it a career. What Bill Russell accomplished in his NBA career has never been approached by any other player in American team sports.


6. 7 — Nolan Ryan

Given how rare a simple complete game is these days, it's safe to say no one is going to touch Nolan Ryan's career record of seven no-hitters. Of all the absurd pitching records — 511 wins, 59 consecutive scoreless innings, 84 consecutive saves — Ryan's magnificent seven is the most ridiculous. He was not a product of the era he pitched in or the way he was used. There were 18 years between his first no-no and his last.


7. 420 — Dan Marino

With football supplanting baseball as the national sport, it's time football records were more widely known. Fran Tarkenton broke Johnny Unitas's career TD pass record of 290 in 1975, retired with 342 and held the record for a total of 20 years. Dan Marino broke the record in 1995 and extended it to 420 before retiring. Now, after 11 years with Marino on top, Brett Favre is closing in. He sits at 414 heading into the 2007 season. Once Favre becomes the all-time TD king, he will be merely keeping the throne warm for Peyton Manning, who has 275 after nine seasons.


8. 3:43:13 — Hicham El Guerrouj

In 1954 the mile towered over the sporting scene as Britain's Roger Bannister broke the four-minute barrier and became a global icon. In the '60s American Jim Ryun set a new world record and, in 1967, lowered it to a point where it wouldn't be broken until 1975. In the early '80s Brits Sebastian Coe and Steve Ovett traded the record back and forth five times. And now? With the 1,500-meter "metric mile" squeezing out the old mile in most meets, El Guerrouj's record has stood for eight years. Only no one knows it.


9. 92 — Wayne Gretzky

With the elimination of the red line, someone — Sid the Kid? — is going to take a run at Gretzky's single-season goals record that has stood for 25 years. The Great One, who also has the second-highest total with 87, has withstood all challengers over the last quarter-century with Brett Hull (86) and Mario Lemieux (85) coming closest.


10. 1080 — Shaun White, et al.

Ever since Tony Hawk stuck the first 900 — two-and-a-half revolutions — in competition at the 1999 X Games, the 1080 has become the Holy Grail of the vert ramp. Shaun White has come closest to pulling off the full three revolutions, but has been unable to land it. But somebody, either the Flying Tomato or someone else, is going to stick this trick eventually. And, truth be told, after Travis Pastrana's Moto X double back flip last year, I was much more interested in the X Games this year than in Barry Bonds' pursuit of "the most hallowed record in all of sports."
 

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Gehrig was a great player. Ripken is a notch below, but still a great player. The record they each held is not great in my opinion. It is impressive, but probably the least impressive thing about either player. If playing in just consecutive games is all they did, then they would not be special players. They both did way more than that. If either missed a game or two along the way, they would still be great players.

The record is one more of luck than skill An average player with lots of luck could play in that many consecutive games. It is not probable, but it could happen. A hallowed record is one that should be based mostly on greatness. Not on whether someone just avoided turning their ankle sliding into second or something. It is possible that a non-Hall of Fame caliber player could hold it. The record is an impressive one, but the most hallowed?
 

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I'm not a racing or skateboard fan so I can't comment on those records, but I'll give a few thoughts.

Ripkin's record is amazing, and in my mind will never be broken, but I don't see it as the most hallowed because it is based on just being in the lineup and not on how he performed in the lineup. Now, of course I realize he had to perform well for his managers to want him in the lineup, but that doesn't change the fact that the record itself is not a performance based number.

DiMaggio's hit streak is also incredible, but I think it will one day be broken. Still, it has stood the test of time and is a great mark. It probably just doesn't reach the level of "most hallowed" because merely getting a hit in a game doesn't capture the interest that hitting home runs does. If, however, someone starts to get close, there will be quite a stir and it will suddenly start gettting the recognition it probably deserves.

I also think Dickerson's mark will be broken - enough people have come close enough that despite the fact it has stood so long I don't think people view it as almost untouchable the way other hallowed marks are.

The records attributed to Bill Russell aren't really Bill Russell records, they are Boston Celtic records. Sure he was a huge factor in getting the record, but still, it is a team record.

As for Nolan Ryan, in addition to the 7 no-hitters he also has another record that should be on this list ..... career strikeouts. I'm almost as convinced that his career strikeout record is assured to last forever as his 7 no-hitters. Considering both strikeouts and no-hitters do capture the interest of fans and media, I have to believe that both of these marks should be high on the list.

Marino's record, while great, isn't considered hallowed for those of us with a few years on us because we have seen it change hands a few times in our lives.
 

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joseephuss;1581498 said:
Gehrig was a great player. Ripken is a notch below, but still a great player. The record they each held is not great in my opinion. It is impressive, but probably the least impressive thing about either player. If playing in just consecutive games is all they did, then they would not be special players. They both did way more than that. If either missed a game or two along the way, they would still be great players.

The record is one more of luck than skill An average player with lots of luck could play in that many consecutive games. It is not probable, but it could happen. A hallowed record is one that should be based mostly on greatness. Not on whether someone just avoided turning their ankle sliding into second or something. It is possible that a non-Hall of Fame caliber player could hold it. The record is an impressive one, but the most hallowed?

Gehrig was/is and always will be my favorite baseball player. Who knows how long his streak (or even Babe's home run record) would have been broken if he didn't develope that disease.

Greatest goodbye speech ever also "I consider myself the luckiest man on the earth"...Knowing he was dying.
 

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Jarv;1581678 said:
Gehrig was/is and always will be my favorite baseball player. Who knows how long his streak (or even Babe's home run record) would have been broken if he didn't develope that disease.

Greatest goodbye speech ever also "I consider myself the luckiest man on the earth"...Knowing he was dying.


I get choked up thinking about it .........

But are you sure you don't just love Gary Cooper?
 

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Jarv;1581678 said:
Gehrig was/is and always will be my favorite baseball player. Who knows how long his streak (or even Babe's home run record) would have been broken if he didn't develope that disease.

Greatest goodbye speech ever also "I consider myself the luckiest man on the earth"...Knowing he was dying.


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Ummm this list is seriously flawed if you do not have the NFL career rushing record on it or the receiving record.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1581741 said:
Ummm this list is seriously flawed if you do not have the NFL career rushing record on it or the receiving record.


The problem with the career rushing record is that we have seen it change hands several times over the years, so it just doesn't hold the same luster as others that have lasted for MANY years like the career homerun record or Gehrig's or Dimaggio's records.

Rice's receiving record is pretty amazing - he blew the previous record away.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1581741 said:
Ummm this list is seriously flawed if you do not have the NFL career rushing record on it or the receiving record.


If it were poor dead sweetness that still held it you can bet it would be top two.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1581741 said:
Ummm this list is seriously flawed if you do not have the NFL career rushing record on it or the receiving record.

It is a list that clearly focuses on marks that are the hardest to break.

Emmitt's record is great but it is not some sort of unreachable feat -- a guy like LT is halfway there after only 6 years.

When I started watching football, the record holder was Jim Brown - now he is #8 on the list.
 

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joseephuss;1581498 said:
Gehrig was a great player. Ripken is a notch below, but still a great player.

Gehrig was one of the finest hitters ever to play - dude was a lifetime .340 hitter with nearly 500 HR and 2000 RBIs. Ripken was a good player who would likely have produced more if he could have swallowed his pride and sat once or twice a month.
 

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Big Dakota;1581752 said:
If it were poor dead sweetness that still held it you can bet it would be top two.

everything is always about cowboy bias with some folks.
 

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Big Dakota;1581842 said:
And they are intelligent folks.

or just paranoid.

I'll leave you alone so you can continue working on that tin foil hat to keep aliens from reading your thoughts.
 
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