What's in a Quarterback?

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Quarterbacks are like cover girls.

They can look awfully good on paper, but when you strip away the make-up and look behind the airbrushing, you might have just another high maintenance bimbo with Fran Drescher voice and daddy issues. Seldom does reality live up to the hype.

Nothing seems as hard to find as a real NFL quarterback, and I think I know why.

I get so sick of the empty clichés about QBs. "Strong arm", "big frame", "quick release", "good arm motion", "son of a high school coach", blah, blah, blah. I could name 200 guys that have come along with those exact attributes that didn't amount to Matt Foley down by the river.

Cajones. Tremendous, giant, vulcanized stones. THAT is what should be scouted, not candidates for Chip 'n Dale.

I don't know how the great ones do it, and I understand why the others can't. I couldn't, no matter what I looked like. To stand in that pocket, eyes always downfield, taking hit after hit for marathon season after marathon season without wavering from the task at hand...that is the stuff of legend. That is what separates the super rare elite ones from the rest of the also-rans.

Brains, too. All the guts in a slaughterhouse won't amount to jack squat either if you don't have the mental moxie to make it matter.

The textbook says Brees and Romo shouldn't be elite. But they are. It says Weeden and Gabbert should be elite, but they're a million miles from it. Back in the day, guys like Jim Everett and Marc Bulger had it going early on, but lost their nerve. Hits took their toll, and their eyes starting watching the rush instead of looking downfield. Their fire flickered, and went out. Their perfect NFL physiques couldn't save them.

I watch and wonder why NFL teams continue to cast their lot with some of these guys. They remain obsessed with QB measureables despite years of documented failures. First-round busts abound on strapping, 6-foot-5 catapult bodies that melt in the NFL lights.

Dallas is no doubt casting nets to find it's successor to Romo, and tried to land Canton-looking Paxton Lynch. I'm glad they didn't because he's rumored to have the football IQ of a garbanzo bean. Now, they're suddenly pressed for a backup to Romo, at first reaching out for Captain Measureable in Nick Foles. He chose Kansas City, so now they're scrambling for anybody with a resume, regardless of how it reads.

I think they're taking the wrong approach. Just find a guy with gonads, somebody that won't wilt in the Cowboy-sized spotlight of America's pressure cooker. Never mind if he can throw a ball through a tire from 40 yards and smile for the cameras. Get somebody that will compete.

I was disgusted with Weeden last year. The guy had no spine. That late slide on 4th-and-1 showed his true colors. Cassel quite obviously seems content to ride the backup gravy train for quarterback money. He doesn't care anymore.

No more of that, please.

Whether it's Showers or Prescott, or a guy on another team, find a competitor like Doug Flutie, not a daisy like Elvis Grbac. And when you draft the real "next Romo", look for the things that make Tony special, not what the football textbook says makes him inferior.

That's a textbook that should be burned.
 

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Nothing seems as hard to find as a real NFL quarterback

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Get me a young one of these please.
 

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I don't want to draft the next "Romo". I want to draft the next "Aikman or Staubach". No nock on Romo, I love him. I just prefer my field general more like Troy.
 

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I don't want to draft the next "Romo". I want to draft the next "Aikman or Staubach". No nock on Romo, I love him. I just prefer my field general more like Troy.

If they played in each other's eras, you'd be saying the same thing about Romo.
 

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Quarterbacks are like cover girls.

They can look awfully good on paper, but when you strip away the make-up and look behind the airbrushing, you might have just another high maintenance bimbo with Fran Drescher voice and daddy issues. Seldom does reality live up to the hype.

Nothing seems as hard to find as a real NFL quarterback, and I think I know why.

I get so sick of the empty clichés about QBs. "Strong arm", "big frame", "quick release", "good arm motion", "son of a high school coach", blah, blah, blah. I could name 200 guys that have come along with those exact attributes that didn't amount to Matt Foley down by the river.

Cajones. Tremendous, giant, vulcanized stones. THAT is what should be scouted, not candidates for Chip 'n Dale.

I don't know how the great ones do it, and I understand why the others can't. I couldn't, no matter what I looked like. To stand in that pocket, eyes always downfield, taking hit after hit for marathon season after marathon season without wavering from the task at hand...that is the stuff of legend. That is what separates the super rare elite ones from the rest of the also-rans.

Brains, too. All the guts in a slaughterhouse won't amount to jack squat either if you don't have the mental moxie to make it matter.

The textbook says Brees and Romo shouldn't be elite. But they are. It says Weeden and Gabbert should be elite, but they're a million miles from it. Back in the day, guys like Jim Everett and Marc Bulger had it going early on, but lost their nerve. Hits took their toll, and their eyes starting watching the rush instead of looking downfield. Their fire flickered, and went out. Their perfect NFL physiques couldn't save them.

I watch and wonder why NFL teams continue to cast their lot with some of these guys. They remain obsessed with QB measureables despite years of documented failures. First-round busts abound on strapping, 6-foot-5 catapult bodies that melt in the NFL lights.

Dallas is no doubt casting nets to find it's successor to Romo, and tried to land Canton-looking Paxton Lynch. I'm glad they didn't because he's rumored to have the football IQ of a garbanzo bean. Now, they're suddenly pressed for a backup to Romo, at first reaching out for Captain Measureable in Nick Foles. He chose Kansas City, so now they're scrambling for anybody with a resume, regardless of how it reads.

I think they're taking the wrong approach. Just find a guy with gonads, somebody that won't wilt in the Cowboy-sized spotlight of America's pressure cooker. Never mind if he can throw a ball through a tire from 40 yards and smile for the cameras. Get somebody that will compete.

I was disgusted with Weeden last year. The guy had no spine. That late slide on 4th-and-1 showed his true colors. Cassel quite obviously seems content to ride the backup gravy train for quarterback money. He doesn't care anymore.

No more of that, please.

Whether it's Showers or Prescott, or a guy on another team, find a competitor like Doug Flutie, not a daisy like Elvis Grbac. And when you draft the real "next Romo", look for the things that make Tony special, not what the football textbook says makes him inferior.

That's a textbook that should be burned.
I agree with everything here.

You have to have enough of an arm to make the all throws, but that arm strength isnt as rare as scouts seem to think. Romo, Brees and Brady dont have great arms (Brees was labeled a "noodle arm" in SD) but there arent any throws they cant make against a good defense. What makes a franchise QB is intelligence, mental tougness, attitude and competitivness
 

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I don't want to draft the next "Romo". I want to draft the next "Aikman or Staubach". No nock on Romo, I love him. I just prefer my field general more like Troy.
I just want someone that will win ball games and championships.

Id agree with you, but as long as they are an assassin Im not to picky
 

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I agree with everything here.

You have to have enough of an arm to make the all throws, but that arm strength isnt as rare as scouts seem to think. Romo, Brees and Brady dont have great arms (Brees was labeled a "noodle arm" in SD) but there arent any throws they cant make against a good defense. What makes a franchise QB is intelligence, mental tougness, attitude and competitivness

The only QB I'd trade for is Glennon. Whatever he is, I know he's a tough SOB.
 

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The only QB I'd trade for is Glennon. Whatever he is, I know he's a tough SOB.
He is an interesting guy for me.

Id give him a Romo 2006 deal next year. Give him a 2 or 3 year deal for about what Philly gave Daniels and assess of he is your future
 

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There are many facets to being a good QB and there are many ways a QB can be effective. If you look at Brady's throwing charts on more intermediate to deep pass patterns, he's only about average in terms of accuracy (placement). He's not an exceptional athlete either. But, he's deadly accurate on short patterns, he's got great pocket presence and moves around the pocket superbly and his anticipation is off the charts.

However, a lot of this goes into the coaching the organization. I think one of the worst things the staff did (or allowed to happen) with Romo was a few years back when he tried to emulate more of Brady's style and technique of play. Romo isn't Brady and vice versa. He's just not built like him and doesn't have the same release. If anything, Romo would have been better off emulating somebody like Drew Brees who is more similar in size, footwork and his ability to make big plays.

I also feel that the staff did Romo no favors by becoming a super, pass heavy, dink-n-dunk offense from 2010 thru 2013. It didn't play to his strengths of intermediate to long passing routes as well as the play action which needs to be set up by the running game.

With that, it's why predicting a QB is very difficult. They are not likely to have NFL level anticipation in college. So, you have to sort of guess whether they can develop that anticipation at the next level and hope they have all of the tools in the process. Or at least have superior tools at their disposal to help make up for those intangibles like anticipation. And even then, you have to worry about a coaching staff and organization screwing him up. These days they like to play QB's right away and if you study anything about motor skill learning and skill acquisition, it's usually not the best course of action.

I really liked Paxton Lynch because of his physical attributes, but he played in a system that didn't require a lot of anticipation. However, I saw him shine against some underrated and very tough defenses while surrounded by horrendous talent. I also saw how quickly he learned the footwork in just a couple of months and he already threw the ball incredibly well. With all of that being said, the difference between him and somebody like Prescott is likely going to be due to coaching, the organization's ability to surround the QB with the right talent and how well they anticipate and are willing to work to figure out their weaknesses.






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